I got my proof!

[BadBoyMc2]

Hey all, I was just in a group, and the warlock  was running a dps parser, i may only be lvl34 and not see zerkers to there full potential with their dps, but i came highest in the dps many of times. Now the group consisted of Warlock,Berserker(me),Swashbuckler,Corcer,Templar & Mystic, despite it being a very good varition of classes, i still managed to out dps the warlock. I was amazed to see that a berserker could out dps the warlock, one of the best, if not the best dps class on the game.... Also i came to notice i was fighting orange mobs, which has a lower chance of me hitting, he was 2 lvls higher than me so they would have been conned yellow to him so therefore i thought he would of easily been able to out dps me, but i was wrong!!! I always read that zerkers were one of the best dps classes but i never actually thought, they were, until i saw my zerker at full potential. Another thing that was interesting that, we was only killing single ^^ mobs, i would expect to do more dps, with a grp of 4 solos, due to blood rage, shouting cry, furious onslaught, obviously i was proven wrong. I presumed that a warlock would have more single high damage spells so would give him another advantage over me. The 3rd thing was i was actually tanking as well!!! despite having to use taunts & getting stunned every now and again, i could still manage to come top of our group. <div></div>

[Darkd]

You warlock was weak that is the only solution.  Also post like this is the reason that we continue to get nerfed to Hades.  I got a good idea for you.  Keep your parser numbers to yourself and enjoy them.  You will find out soon enough that when classes come on to the boards bragging about things happening that shouldnt is when the developers start digging deeper into the root of what is actually happening.  Take this from and experienced player that has learned to keep his mouth shut about anything regarding his class.

[einar4]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hunt with a warlock quite a lot and I can't see that at all.  Granted she is one of the best, but her spells turn a 3 minute fight into a 15 second one.  Your warlock was either holding back or hitting against massive resists. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Padi]

<DIV>In the 30's, I found I always managed to be very close or ahead of the wizards and warlocks I grouped with (many different ones).  It's not until later in the 40's that they start pulling ahead.</DIV>

[XensosKinein]

<DIV>Your warlock was holding back. Perhaps early in the game what you say MIGHT have been feasible, but we've been nerfed several times since then.</DIV>

[Khal]

all depends on what your fighting, how many levels higher is it, the type of mobs, the number of mobs in the encounter, the lenght of fight

[TheFat]

<DIV>If the warlock was a few levels above you they were most likely backing off on their damage to prevent themselves from becoming an aggro magnet. Yes, a zerk can out-dps a warlock but only if the warlock is significantly lower in level or doesn't chain cast. In reality, individual parses don't mean anything. They let you know how you're performing personally but they don't really represent a class as a whole. To get that kind of view you would have to parse every single player for weeks on end and then gather an average from that. Even then the figures would be dependent on how good the parsing program itself was.</DIV> <DIV>I'd love to go over to the priest boards and post a parse I did for one fight. In that fight the templar in our group actually came out on top in dps because of my anarchy buff. He hit an ungodly amount of procs and ended up about 15 points higher than the assassin in the group. Heh, would be great "evidence" that priests are overpowered and need their damage nerfed.</DIV>

[Pnaxx]

<P>If the OP is at 33lvl, that puts the Warlock who is 2 lvls above him at 35. The Warlocks dont get that Killer Spell til at least another lvl or 2...then there is no comparison. I have a buddy who in the upper 30's got his new spell that hit with so much power, it was like i was using a nerf bat. The dmg was incredible.....there was no comparison at all...he rules the mobs. As a matter of fact...we wre just in the Thule Temple in Feerrott couple days ago and we lost our healer...had to log....so the 3 of us...me (was 39-40 Zerkere), (Warlock 41-42), and a (SK  39-40) went ahead and took on yellow^^ solo mobs ourselves. The way we did it was....I pulled up to top of stairs....Warlock roots and chain pumps DPS while i hold ago and do as much DPS as I can with sword and board and the SK barking orders at us:smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>There were times when i never got down to less than 3/4 power left and one dead mob. We got great xp and had a blast. Of course, there were times when we would run....and also would win with me on just a few hp's left:smileyvery-happy: but the point is, without the power from the warlock, there would be no chance of this happeneing.</P> <P>He was able to kill in 2 hits mobs that would take me a half a minute ti kill. So anyway...i wouldn't get too xcited......they r the dps kings fer sure...but we do ok still!</P> <P> </P>

[Padi]

I can tell you with personal experience, going up through the 30's in Runnyeye, I consistantly matched or surpassed wizards and warlocks.  On single targets they usually out damaged me, and I'd out damage them on multitargets.  It did change once they hit 37 I believe, then they get a big nuke.

[Oldlore]

37 - Nil Distortion = uber damage As warlocks get each new nuke, they jump ahead in the DPS game.  At 50 you won't even be close. <div></div>

[XXXTund]

Wow, your Warlock must have been using apprentice 1 spells, fell asleep at the keyboard, or just plain doesn't have a clue.. I regularly group with a very good Warlock friend of mine (she's lvl 35, and I'm a lvl 39 Berserker).. we duo all the time and she flat out obliterates mobs, turning my usual 1-2 minute fights (soloing) into roughly 10-15 second fights with her 600-900 dmg nukes.. I have zero trouble maintaining aggro, and I still do very good dmg, but nowhere close to the dmg output of a feisty Warlock that knows how to play her toon efficiently, and very effectively.  The ONLY times I out DPS her are when she's completely out of power, went LD, or she's AFK.  ;P  Groups/hordes of mobs are completely different due to procs, aoe, dmg shields, etc..  but it's still very close, even when comparing the dmg she's doing to ONE mob with the combined dmg I'm doing to ALL the mobs in the group..  Again, I play my zerker very effectively and have no trouble dishing out DPS, but whomever said that he's outdamaging a warlock is a [Removed for Content] [Removed for Content] who isn't using accurate information.  What server are you on?  I'll get my warlock friend to group with us and we'll just see who's obliterating massive chunks of mob health and who isn't... c'mon, let's group up and we can EACH run a parse and post the results here.  It'll be quite interesting to see how well you line up against a Warlock with all Adept 1-3 upgrades, very good gear, Provisioner food/drink, and half an ounce of common sense...  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  By the way, just out of curiousity... why did you start this thread?  You KNOW your facts are horribly skewed, especially since you didn't POST the parse, or have any way of actually proving anything concrete.. You KNOW that you were grouped with a comatose Warlock who absolutely didn't have a clue as to what they were doing.. or did you not tell the Warlock that you were 'secretly' doing a DPS parse?  Did you perhaps also warn the DPS members of your group to be careful to not pull aggro or that might put the group in jeopardy?  Nobody has any way of knowing anything about anything with posts like these and quite frankly I think that people are just making up the majority of their 'cold hard facts' just to [Removed for Content] people off.. start strife.. or try, in their own foolish way, to somehow magically sway the views of a random DEV who might happen to take a gander at their carefully crafted masterpiece of twisted and innaccutate information... o  o  O  O  (ha.... hahahaha.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA)  Ahem, sorry, all nighter has rendered me braindead.  ;P  But come on... seriously, where do you get off throwing up a title like 'I got my poop!'  er, proof, or whatever it was,  and then you don't REVEAL one SINGLE shread of concrete information (concrete, as in unaltered, unbiased, flow of information controlled by a 3rd party.. in other words it hasn't been [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ed with).. Proof?  You didn't prove anything, except that you get your jollys off of grouping with people who don't care to upgrade their toons spells/gear, and then you sprint over here to the forums to brag about it as though anyone cared?  Dude... we all know that you're full of bantha poodoo, but there's no need to come here and verify it.. and yeah, I'm rambling on like a total [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]hat so I'll drift off before common sense grabs hold and I delete this jibberish of a post..  Peace out. <div></div>

[XXXTund]

Forgot to add.. she's got an Adept 3 Nil Distortion sitting in her bank, so needless to say when she dings 37 any hope of out DPSing her is pretty much shot to crap.... but then again, if a small bird in the sparrow family happens to fly low overhead, and fluffs out a couple of stink bombs that hit anywhere on her person she dies instantly, she's a glass cannon and deserves to be among the absolute TOP of the DPS chart.. I can't mitigate dmg quite as well as a Guardian, but I can kill things faster... and my Warlock friend couldn't tank a blade of grass but if she gets off the first nuke then watch closely.... because the fight will be over almost before it started.  *shrug*  That's just the way it is.. if I wanted to deal out MASSIVE damage but risk being killed by a mild southeastern wind then I'd have rolled a finger wiggler, we all give and take in certain areas, but it's all relative to 'balance'... and no, I don't need a lecture on balance, because there are too many ifs, ands and buts unless testing is conducted in a controlled environment, which I'm sure the DEVS plan on doing in order to properly assess the game balance between classes in relation to their environment, as well as in relation to each other so we don't constantly have this bickering and whining that gets us nowhere.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And yeah, I realize that my last post was the equivalent of pouring gasoline on the fire, and didn't really do anything productive, but I guess I feel slightly better about having at least said something, so I guess if your only goal was to get a rise out of the zerker community then you might have partially succeeded, in which case you deserve a cookie... laced with rat droppings in the place of the chocolate chips.. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  j/k  Anyway, I've dug myself a canyon of a hole and have unloaded some absolutely massive run-on sentences.. sheesh, I think I'm going to log off for a bit to snap one of my fingers.. gotta teach the 'ol hands a lesson or they'll never learn the joys of proper sentence structure and punctuation! <div></div>

[Ethelwo]

<P>wait until your L50 and a warlock solos a L50 epicX2 encounter that you could never dream of soloing. Then come back to these boards and listen to the warlocks [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] about how crappy their class is and how Berserkers should lose their dps and just be a mindless piece of steel. How we should quit complaining about all our dps nerfs. Well you get the idea.</P> <P>Scouts want it all, they want your dps nerfed so they can have that as well as sneek, evac, track, a nice run speed buff and the best combat buffs in the game, but thats not enough for them, they want your dps nerfed so they can have that too. They say thats where fighters should be, no dps, no buffs, no sneek, no runspeed buffs no evac nothing but Hps and armor. </P> <P>You have no friends in this game and every scout or caster I have read coments from on these boards want you  just to stand there in the most expensive armor in the game and get hit while they have all the fun.</P> <P>And do you know what, It seems thats what SOE wants for you as well.</P>

[Ralluw]

I don't know about group mobs, as I rarely group, but epic mobs seem to change the whole arguement again.  I do a fair ammount of raiding, and the wizards usually spend the raid dumping mana to the healers rather then actually nuking since they seem to get resisted alot on there skills, as such there dps is rarely much better then mine. (We also severly lack healers and melee dps (i.e. scouts) and are often stuck with only 2-3 priests on a raid, so that might have an effect as we seem to run out of mana almost as quickly (or more quickly) then the mob hp) Has anyone else found this to be the case? That on raid mobs mages don't seem to do much, perhaps this is what they are really complaining about, they see themselves with low dps on the hardest fights and consequently feel they don't have enough, even thou on solo and group mobs they have some of the best dps. <div></div>