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Mor

05-16-2005, 10:28 PM

In your opinion, in what order would you rank the importance of getting adept 3 quality T5 abilities? (Here is the list copied from the stickied post, for easy reference): 40 - Vanquish : High damage medium duration stunning attack 40.4 - Anarchy : Group AC and STR buff + each attack has chance for an extra attack 40.8 - Controlled Rage : Increases defense but reduces attack 41 - Raging Blows : Medium damage attack which also stuns + decreases Damage Per Second 42 - Mutilate : High damage slashing DoT, chance to berserk each tick 42.6 - Berserker Assualt : High damage Front/Side PBAoE attack 43 - Rupture : Attack with additional slashing DoT 44 - Frenzy : Attack 3 times, one miss = all further attacks miss 44.4 - Unflinching Will : Increases defense but reduces offense + mental resist 44.8 - Weapon Guard : Parry buff 45 - Bully : Single target Taunt + Mental DoT + Stun 45.6 - No Quarter : Power DoT + stun + chance to berserk 46 - Vehemence : Shield a party member from attack, chance for them to berserk 46.6 - Stunning Roar : AoE stun 47 - Destructive Rage : HP + Attack speed buff, go berserk when finished 47 - Wallop : High damage attack that can hit multiple enemies 48 - Berserker:Enrage : Go Berserk 49 - Slaughter : High damage PBAoE attack 50 - Fearsome Shout : AoE Taunt + Encounter Fear chance 50 - Unbridled Fury : Attack back every time you are hit 50 - Rampage : Attack all enemies in melee radius every time you hit one <div></div>

Krohw

05-16-2005, 11:52 PM

<div></div>Note: I am in a an End Game raiding guild, so I don’t do a lot of tanking for our raids. My focus has been on DPS and Buffing. I would recommend the taunts first if you are primarily tanking.1 - Destructive Rage 2 - Anarchy 3 - Frenzy 4 - Berserker Assualt 5 - Rampage 6- Slaughter 7 - Bully 8 - Fearsome Shout 9 - Vanquish: Only reason it’s not higher is on end game mobs, it wont work10 - Stunning Roar: See VanquishAfter that its pretty much a wash, and you don’t see much ROI on the adepts IMHO. Berserker Enrage : Unbridled Fury : Vehemence : Weapon Guard : Unflinching Will : Controlled Rage all have either broken/stacking/or no increase issues ATM and are not worth the Rare IMHO. If Vehemence worked as it says, it would probably be #2 on my list as it would be a brutal MT buff.<div></div>

Khal

05-17-2005, 05:48 AM

agree with above poster, Vanquish doesn't hit epic mobs, makes it pretty useless later on if you mostly raid I wouldn't upgrade Rampage though, least till the timer goes down (if)

Pin StNeedl

05-17-2005, 06:09 PM

You'll get completely different answers to this question depending on what role someone plays as their Berserker.... But here's my opinions... <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Krohwer wrote: Note: I am in a an End Game raiding guild, so I don’t do a lot of tanking for our raids. My focus has been on DPS and Buffing. I would recommend the taunts first if you are primarily tanking. 1 - Destructive Rage - 14hp over Adept1. Every little bit helps of course, but I wouldn't rank that as #1 priority. 2 - Anarchy - high on my list 3 - Frenzy - high on my list 4 - Berserker Assault - not so high for me. the long cast time means it MUST hit 2 targets to improve on auto-swing DPS. 5 - Rampage - not so high for me. 6.5k damage instead of 6k... on a 1 hour timer. good to have but not quite so high. 6- Slaughter - again a long cast time puts it lower for me 7 - Bully - good 8 - Fearsome Shout - good 9 - Vanquish: Only reason it’s not higher is on end game mobs, it wont work - works on everything exept the ^^^, so a bit higher for me 10 - Stunning Roar: See Vanquish - 1sec cast, good damage, good aoe stun. one of the best tools we have for grabbing a group of adds. higher priority for me... After that its pretty much a wash, and you don’t see much ROI on the adepts IMHO. Berserker Enrage : Unbridled Fury : Vehemence : Weapon Guard : Unflinching Will : Controlled Rage all have either broken/stacking/or no increase issues ATM and are not worth the Rare IMHO. If Vehemence worked as it says, it would probably be #2 on my list as it would be a brutal MT buff. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Very surprised you missed off our highest DPS attack - Mutilate.</DIV> <DIV>Wallop is good damage on a fast recast timer.</DIV> <DIV>Controlled Rage and Weapon Guard are worth the upgrade if you tank (or also if you off-tank, or fill-in if/when the MT drops).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, if I'm tanking (or fighting heavy-nuking mobs) I frequently use No Quarter and Raging Blows (for the interrupts), but I don't think the upgrades are a high priority.</DIV>

CherobylJ

05-17-2005, 07:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moruk wrote: In your opinion, in what order would you rank the importance of getting adept 3 quality T5 abilities? (Here is the list copied from the stickied post, for easy reference): <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Purely my opinions only...much is based just on what seems to upgrade and/or base usefulness of skills. My Highs: Stunning Roar : One of my favorite tools (use on pull with anarchy/bloodrage). Not sure how well this upgrade to adept 3/master but i personally would advocate it. Vanquish : Extra DD is nice and expands with upgrade of skill Anarchy : Extra proc damage expands with upgrade of skill, my favorite skill because of damage and the agro Controlled Rage : short timer makes hard to juggle with other DEF skills. however, you can get teh best bang for buck defensively as a Bers utlizing this skill (old thread here somewhere about this). Mutilate : Real nice upgrade with upgraded skill. Real nice dps and subjectively one of best "go berserk damage skills" Mediums: Wallop : Nice AE dps...had reasonable upgrade from app4 to adept 1 so if taht held I'd upgrade it (use as part of opening: anarchy/bloodrage/stunning cry/wallop) Raging Blows : The DPS cutting (of the Mob) is an underrated aspect of this spell. Marginal increases with upgrade however give a medium rating in my book. Berserker Assualt : Decent damage upgtades with upgrade of skill however its slow and its a blue AE. Both will make this skill somewhat situational. Rupture : I like this spell because of power cost. I dont have any data on how well thsi upgrades with spell upgrade. Frenzy : Nice DPS upgrades with spell upgrade BUT this spell seems to be one of teh easiest for mob to avoid. Unflinching Will : Skill stays up forever but not as high a def cap as controled rage. Not sure how good upgrades are. Bully : Adept 4 to Adept had very modest upgrade for myself, if tis is true to adept 3/master level I'd make this a medium priority. No Quarter : Power DOT is helpful of raids (although other classes can drain a whole lot faster). Fairly modest upgrade from app4 to adept 1...if pattern holds to adept 3/master i'd make this medium. Slaughter : sssssssssssssssslow blue AE. Limited because its a blue AE however handy if you need to agro out of group mobs (have 2-3 mob groups in camp). LOWS: Weapon Guard : Very marginal upgrades to parry skill, also with parry cap introduced (bah) not a super wise investment in spell upgrade. Vehemence : Alot of debate whether the avoidance portion of this actaully kicks in (thread currently running here). Its nice in taht it stays up forever but with only the go berserk part confirmed to work I'd rate this as a low. Destructive Rage : I own the master of this and its, well, disappointing. Hp upgrade was modest from app 4 to master (85ish hps?) and there was no haste delta. In addition I dont go berserk any more frequently when a mob dies (but hey the spell was free ty guldmate) Berserker:Enrage : No upgrade in haste pct at all (see thread on test feedback board) Fearsome Shout : Broken as far as fear component, very modest upgrade that I've seen for hate compoent. Unbridled Fury : Spell upgrades are not terrible but the 10 hit and yer out functionality makes this skill rather difficult to rationalize. Rampage : read all the threads...too much bitterness here to comment further. We deserve a different level 50 spell.

Pernicious Pira

05-18-2005, 12:02 AM

I can rank the bottom of the stack on my server. I got all my T5 AdeptIII's made except for 3 I have a master I in. Not at one time but in a few sessions were i commisioned a alchie. Well yesterday afternoon I got the last set of (Adept III)'s I'll ever need till we can lev over 50th. ON my last one the Alchie messages me with a WOOT! forst time server discovery on my adept... So by simple deduction if it's the first time made here by anyone it has got to [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] well be bottom of the list. For my server and guild GNOC discovered No Quarter (Adept III) seems no one else wanted or cared for NO Quarter. granted i dont use it back to back but I still use and like it. Does 159 slashing damage decreases target power by 53 and by 39 every 4.1 seconds (thats 3 times for duration) so 170 point power drain on target 20 sec recast. so can do it again fairly soon if wanted. It cast berserk on you... always nice 10% change to increase damage by 5% and attack speed hasted 47% But point being till yesterday no one else ever wanted it made a Adept III so its safe for me to say here it is low man on the totem pole.

Rashen

05-18-2005, 05:20 PM

All I do anymore is raid. During these raids I am often a MA tank. We also do alot of AE and as a berserker we are the best melee for that. So with that in mind I have upgraded the following: Bully Frenzy Destructive Rage Wallop Slaughter Mutilate

Sabin the Gre

05-20-2005, 11:05 PM

I'm going to have to kindly disagree with some of the above posters. If you're planning on raiding here's what you need in order, more or less. <OL> <LI>Anarchy. 258 Mitigation at Adept 3, and each swing procs for between 320 and 568. Considering this buff is only off for 20 seconds at a time this is a monster. Any upgrade of this spell between adept 1 and adept 3 you might as well triple its value b/c its going to proc atleast 3 times, usually more. A much under Adept 3'd spell.</LI> <LI>Frenzy. Generally speaking you're not going to be tanking epics from the front if you have a good Guardian. It hits 3 times, it hits hard, and it hits epics. </LI> <LI>Mutilate/Berserker Assault. This is a toss up really, and depends on what you see yourself doing. Mutilate is a great high damage attack. It hits quick and its ready to be used again, and upgrades well. Berserker assault is a great two enemy attack and at Adept 3 hits like a fricking bomb. Any attack that will allow you to hit debuffed targets for 800+ damage with the right group is super nice. Did I mention it hits epics?</LI> <LI>Whichever wasn't chosen above.</LI> <LI>Stunning roar. This is where some of the practicalities give way to damage. In alot of raids you will be best at thinning mobs and most Epics have adds. Stunning Roar hits quick, hard, and stuns minions. If you got a Shadowknight with that sexy debuff this will hit for 400+ damage on each of 10 targets. Did I mention its 10 targets? Doesn't hit epics, but it will knock the s h i t out of their minions.</LI> <LI>Vanquish. I know, doesn't hit epic mobs. The true bane of this skill. Would be at the 2 or 3 spot if it did. I still have it high, because it hits really really hard. At adept 3 in a group group, with good debufs I've hit for 1021 damage. For taking no time to cast, that's one hell of a poke. </LI> <LI>Wallop. Fast, hard, and hits epic mobs. Decent upgrade to the damage to primary target, and moderate damage increase to put it around 48 to all the extra mobs it hits. </LI> <LI>Slaughter. Slow as molases, but hits 5 targets and hits them pretty hard. Once again, great mob thinner and hits 5 targets. Would be higher, but waiting for this thing to go off is like watching the grass grow.</LI></OL> I hope this helps you out some. The only change if you aren't planning on raiding heavily is that I'd get Vanquish at the 3 spot. Keep raging.

Flor

05-21-2005, 04:25 AM

<div></div> Art min max hits total avg all time hit Stunning Roar 168 425 213 55064 258.52 425 Prismatic Shard 122 259 189 35388 187.24 259 Vanquish 648 915 104 73630 707.98 915 Wallop 33 399 706 79863 113.12 399 Slaughter 138 289 14 2879 205.64 289 Relentless Battering 170 403 237 59810 252.36 403 Reckless Counter 69 178 116 15009 129.39 178 Crazed Swing 54 110 70 5100 72.86 110 Berserker Assault 358 661 77 38497 499.96 661 Frenzy 165 460 323 82797 256.34 460 Mutilate 20 197 490 48949 99.90 197 Rupture 12 193 744 42329 56.89 193 No Quarter 57 149 134 14726 109.90 149 Anarchic Swing 213 337 45 12409 275.76 337 Gleaming Strike 146 257 9 1787 198.56 257 Bully 21 40 33 1112 33.70 40 Promise of Violence 69 84 3 231 77.00 84 Raging Strike 41 49 2 90 45.00 49 Sorry for the poor display, it wasnt a text file. All adept 3 except frenzy master 1 and slaughter. Also, this is day by day fight, a small portion of it, no raid in this file. Message Edited by Florin on 05-20-2005 05:29 PM

Pin StNeedl

05-23-2005, 04:18 PM

<DIV>Those are interesting numbers, Florin. Not just for the damage totals, but because they show how different your playstyle is to mine, for example.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>e.g. You have a tiny number of Anarchy procs in that log (45). If you included autoswing, there would be about 5000 melee hits and I (using a 2h weapon) would have closer to 400 procs (and more from other melee) because I keep Anarchy refreshed whenever possible.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Contrasting that, you seem to use Rupture a whole lot more than I do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Different strokes for different folks, I guess...</DIV>

Mor

06-13-2005, 07:57 PM

Thanks all for the suggestions. So far I've gone with Anarchy, Frenzy, and Berserker Assault, and I'm happy with them. I'm not positive which one I'll go for next, but I'm leaning towards Mutilate. <div></div>

Styk

07-23-2005, 06:00 PM

You have 3 skills in this list that most people dont list that is HIGHLY underated.... I have UNBRIDLED FURY and WEAPON GUARD at master 1 and VEHEMANCE at Adept 3 and i never regret using them... the first two are for tanking and the make a hell of alot difference ( once they fix our proc base buffs/attack so that they dont poof after 15 procs they will be ever bigger ) Also VEHEMANCE is a highly under rated skill.... most people think its broken but its not... first off it wont give a "increase" to avoidance in the sense that it doesnt do that.... it just gives your parry /block / dodge an X amount of % chance more to fire off ( meaning the person this buff is casted on gets that 40% more chance at adept 3 for block/parry/dodge to work better ) also the person casted on also gets a chance to proc berserk like you do... not only is this a must to be casted on your MT in a raid group if you are a berserker in that MT group, it gives the tank a better chance at a DPS gain.... ( riposte atm in this game is really not a large issue ) as for the other 7 slots in your arsenal that should be adept 3 or better , this is as follows DESTRUCTIVE RAGE BULLY FEARSOME SHOUT RELENTLESS BATTERING WALLOP MUTILATE RAGING BLOWS rounds off my top 10 ( mind you these aren't in order ) but in reality you want to ad3 them all... also War Cry,Tides of War, Promise of Violence,Raging Strike and Taunting Blow ( if you dont have training upgrade ), Battle Tactics, Screaming Fury should be adept 3 as well . Remember thou the last 4 skills i mentioned will be corrected in the upcomming combat changes wont stack with their last upgrade ( AE Battle Tactics/SF/DR wont stack and Taunting Blow/RS/PoV will be linked <div></div>