Next /respec pls choose skills wisely....

[Styk]

When we get the next chance to /respec i sugest everyone chooses there training abilities wisely..... Ive noticed for example for Lvl 30 Training , many people have gotten the HP buff instead of the AE Taunt... IMO this is a bad choice for 2 main reasons... 1.) SoE will fix the issue of buff stacking and your gonna feel really dumb when you find out battle tactics/training buff/screaming fury and destructive rage no longer stack.... 2.) When Fearsome shout is fixed to work as description says , YOU WIL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO USE IT AGAINST RAID MOBS ( against ^^^ ) , also the lvl 30 Training AE is the fastest recast in the game... even at lvl 50 when it only gives 411 threat, you can still fire off 3 AE's per min compared to 2 AE's per min  from our others... also sunder cant be used on raid mobs as well since it has a knock down effect on it 3.) Your best bang for buck lvl 40 training  ability by far is the single target taunt for stifle effect ( yeah doesnt work on raid mobs but adds etc , it is nice ) <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Hardain]

Just a small correction, sunder does work on epic mobs, atleast it did, i havent tested it lately What comes to hp buffs stacking, i hope they wont make them not to stack, that would suck alot

[Padi]

<P>I disagree with 3.  While it might be a good choice, the weapon shield upgrade is also very good.  It not only gives you more parry, it gives more mitigation.  You can always let others in the group stifle.</P> <P>I'm not saying the stifle is a bad choice, only that the parry/mit buff is also a good one, especially if you tank a lot.</P>

[Rhaam]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Styker wrote:3.) Your best bang for buck lvl 40 training  ability by far is the single target taunt for stifle effect ( yeah doesnt work on raid mobs but adds etc , it is nice ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>Whats the duration on the stifle? I figured it would be a super short duration like the other training abilities that add stuff to our taunts. I went with darkmoore's protective advance and it's pretty sweet atm. Adds some nice mitigation as well as reistance to crushing/piercing/slashing with no power cost. The 1 point of conc fits nicely with focus rage and reckless stance although I'm not high enough yet for unflinching will. Does that take more conc? If it does the taunt would seem the much better choice.<DIV>

[Padi]

Unflinching will take 3 conc slots like all it's predicessors

[Rhaam]

I would think then for your tanking buck darkmoore's would be a better choice then unless the stifle on the mad cry upgrade has an above par duration. Considering mad cry's refresh is what 15 secs I just assumed it would be pretty insignificant

[Styk]

darkmoore eh.... well hmmm i guess you havent been reading up on combat changes since parry is gonna be um Hard Capped skill wise so yeah the weapon shield lines of combat arts = useless Lvl 40 Training Single target taunt is still the best bet <div></div>

[Styk]

Also Mad Cry is an 8 sec refresh just like every one of our single target taunts ( also it caps out at 205 while Training taunt caps at 250 + its adept 2 quality  )  and Sunder DOES NOT work on ^^^ mobs ( remember effects like stun,fear,mez, knockdown etc dont affect them )  while Balok's Furious Chant does .....  <div></div>

[Mjollnyr]

<P>For the lvl 40 trait i went with Taron's Slicing blades, i felt the 30 less damage over wallop was well worth the extra 10s refresh interupt. While interupts dont work on epics, neither does the mad cry training.</P> <P>When fighting ^^ warlock&cleric mobs, having Bully, Relentless battering, Raging blows, No quarter, stunning roar, vanquish and Tarons. They rarely get their spells off.. </P> <P>Notably since we'd then have three 10s refresh interupts (Bully, Relentless battering, Tarons)</P> <P>When fighting raid mobs, i turn to wallop for the small increase in dps.</P> <P>Not saying one or the other is better, but i've found that Taron's hasn't been a wasted skill for me.</P>

[Styk]

So you would trade off a lvl 40 single target taunt that currently the stifle effects works on ^^^ ( worked for me last night ) with the upgrade to stomp? I guess it totally depends on play style with the lvl 40 Training ... i raid tank so i chose the taunt Lvl 30 how ever is a different story AE Taunt > all the other training choices ( esp when they fix buff stacking ) <div></div>

[Mjollnyr]

<div></div><div></div> <p>I was under the impretion that the stifle taunt did not work on epic mobs. Had i known it works on Epic's i'd likely of taken the taunt over Tarons, but as it is, i'm not disappointed with Tarons.</p> <p>I dont MT raids, we have several very well equiped guardians that tank. I have tanked epic mobs on several occasions, but at epicx4 raids, it would be about 50:1.</p> <p>I agree with you on the lvl 30 trait.</p> <p>I still dont feel that any one of the traits is incredibly-class-breakingly better then another. Matter of choice and what you feels works best for you.</p> <p>Edit: I'm curious about the stifle taunt now. How much threat does i give at 50?  I'm not at home and i can't recall how much the adept3 Bully adds. I'll try to remember to look at it when i get home </p> <p>2nd Edit: Bully Adept3 adds 483-591 threat </p> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Mjollnyr on <span class="date_text">05-15-2005</span> <span class="time_text">12:05 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Mjollnyr on <span class=date_text>05-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:17 PM</span>

[Norgoz]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Styker wrote:darkmoore eh.... well hmmm i guess you havent been reading up on combat changes since parry is gonna be um Hard Capped skill wise so yeah the weapon shield lines of combat arts = useless Lvl 40 Training Single target taunt is still the best bet <div></div><hr></blockquote>The one thing I haven't saw someone mention yet is that the Lv40 Training, Darkmoore's Protective Advance, adds to your mitigation on top of your parry skill. It adds 84+ points to Armor Class (base mitigation), as well as Crushing, Piercing, and Slashing Resistances (combat ability mitigation). Most who choose this art don't use it for the 0.6% (give or take a point) increase in avoidance, but for the increase you recieve in damage mitigation. This skill is far from worthless, even without the added avoidance. I'm not sure how long the stifle works, but a slow mob can still hit you with their combat abilities and one-shot you, whereas DPA would help mitigate those hits very well.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Norgoz on <span class=date_text>05-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:20 PM</span>

[Rhaam]

<DIV>If I'm not mistaken styker the parry hard cap was removed. On test you can once again buff parry just like you could before. The real draw of darkmoore's is the mitigation and crushing/piercing/slashing resist however.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Styker wrote:Also Mad Cry is an 8 sec refresh just like every one of our single target taunts<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I know mad cry's duration I was curious what the duration is on the stifle effect. Most of the other effects tied to our taunts are pretty short.....</DIV>

[Kol-Hammer]

is there some indication as to when a respec may take place? i am still regretting a decision i made back at lvl 10 i think - some stupid spell that increased my health regen and gave me +2 strength - if i had known it was on such a ridiculous timer i would never have chosen it. until i can respec i feel somewhat gimped. <div></div>

[Buggrit]

yes im curious also when is this respec thing taking place i've made a few choices on my monk i don't like hehe

[Bloomber]

<FONT size=2>The duration on stifle portion of <SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Balok's Stifling Cry is 5 seconds.  I've been very pleased with this skill most notibly while pulling to bring those lingering mage/priest mobs to camp.</FONT></SPAN></FONT><p>Message Edited by Bloomberry on <span class=date_text>05-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:02 AM</span>

[Haze1]

Anyone have a link to good information on the specialization choices you have to make?  I just reached level 10 and don't know which of the four I want to choose.  I'd like to read up on other experiences berserkers have had. I've searched Allakhazam and EQ02gaming, but haven't found much info. <div></div>

[Oracle_Centuri]

<DIV>Mad cry + Raging Strike + Promise of Violence (yes they are all single targets)  give a MUCH better effect then any other option mentioned.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Start with:</DIV> <DIV>Promise of Violence Adept 3 will LITERALLY pull any mob (epic included) off ANY target for any reason.  Go read the spell description if you dont believe me.   Try it on a guardian after he taunts 10 or 11 times.   100% guarentee the mob turns RIGHT on you.</DIV> <DIV>Next Cast:</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Mad Cry with adept 3 is very respectable in its own right.</DIV> <DIV>Finally:</DIV> <DIV>For good measure toss in an Adpet 3 Raging Strike.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That mob isnt going to go anywhere as long as you toss out promise of violence on every attack cycle.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Chanliang]

For Haze111: I started this thread sometime ago and it might give some answers http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=10392. Coming combat changes and skills effectiveness against epics have little chenged so there might be now a bit different opinions about level30 and level40 trainings. <div></div>

[Renzai]

<DIV>I'm curious about the "Sunder doesn't work...." thing. The amount of hate generated by the skill is not taken into account if the mob resists the knockdown effect? I thought these were independant of each other, as for Fearsome Shout where it implies it has a "chance" to fear the encounter. Even if the fear is constantly resisted I'd imagine you'd still generate the displayed amount of hate towards the target.</DIV>

[Haze1]

Thanks Chanliang, I'll check it out. <div></div>

[Ah]

Correct me if im wrong but ive used Sunder on raid mobs. The knockback portion doesn't work. But thats just a graphic thing from what i understand. I am pretty happy with the stifle effect of Mad Cry. You can use it with the other interrupting skills and it makes a great HO finisher. On question however, is the level 40 parry buff meant to replace Weapon Shield? <div></div>