Adept III.. Which ones to go for?

[KaiZas]

I've gotten my hands on 2 jaspers and a rough opal, which means I've got a couple of choices before me. Sell the stuff and make a bundle, or let a friend of mine make some Adept III's for me. I'm currently level 31 and I would like to get some input on what is a waste of rares and what can last me the entire game. (Well, it doesn't have to be the entire game, but I don't want to see the Adept III spell replaced too soon, considering the amount of money this is going to cost me.) Any advice?

[Chanliang]

Well have to admit that I'm not expert here but of you look sticky thread then these spells don't have upgrade so <u>might </u>be worth of making adept3: <p><span><font color="#ffff00" size="3">20 - Focus Rage : Go Berserk (Attack speed and strength buff for reduced defense)</font></span></p> <p><span><font color="#ffff00" size="3">21 - Blood Rage : Each attack may trigger an AE attack, costs health to cast</font></span></p> <span><font color="#ffff00"><font size="3">24.6 - Raging Strike : Taunt + Attack which has chance to make you Berserk but you do less damage</font></font></span> <span></span><span><font color="#ff9900"><font size="3">37 - Tides of War : Group offense buff + Self attack speed buff </font></font></span> <p><span><font color="#ff9900" size="3">38 - Promise of Violence : Taunt + Attack with chance to berserk </font></span></p> <p><span><font color="#ff9900" size="3">38.6 - War Chant : Party STR buff</font></span></p> <p><span><font color="#ff9900" size="3">39 - Relentless Battering : Attack which reduces target offence and AC + stuns </font></span></p> <p> I'd make focus rage and Tides of War at least... </p> <div></div>

[cr0wangel]

<P><SPAN>I have found a rough opal, so I will have an adept 3 skill made. I would like to know if Screaming Fury will be a good choice? or maybe war chant is better? Anyone have the stats of the adept 3? Thank you.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9900 size=3></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9900><FONT size=3>33.6 - Screaming Fury : HP + attack speed buff </FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9900><FONT size=3>37 - Tides of War : Group offense buff + Self attack speed buff </FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9900 size=3>38 - Promise of Violence : Taunt + Attack with chance to berserk </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ff9900 size=3>38.6 - War Chant : Party STR buff</FONT></SPAN></P>

[Padi]

<P>Just a word of warning.  Most skills that give you a percent chance to do something gain little or nothing at all from upgrades.</P> <P>I don't really know what all you should get, BUT I do know that our defensive stances make soloing and tanking a lot easier, and I'd probably recommend you to adept 3 those first and foremost unless you have no aspirations of tanking or soloing.</P>

[Huna]

I had someone try to sell me Focus Rage Master 1 the other night.  I looked at the examine description and I didn't see much if any difference from the adept1 I have now (can't remember for sure, but I remember thinking it wasn't worth the pp he wanted for it).  Is anything upgraded on it? <div></div>

[Tagright]

<div></div>Personally, I sold my lower tier rares and bought Ebon for high level armor.  I think the value of a tier 3 adept 3s (or any level combat art, for that matter) pales in comparison to the value of good armor.  My advice is get armor first, then worry about upgrading weapons and combat arts (in that order).  Adept 1s and App. IVs will do fine until you are 50 and have enough extra time and money to go back and buy any lower tier adept 3's.  <div></div><p>Message Edited by Tagright on <span class=date_text>04-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:22 AM</span>

[Padi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tagright wrote:<BR> Personally, I sold my lower tier rares and bought Ebon for high level armor.  I think the value of a tier 3 adept 3s (or any level combat art, for that matter) pales in comparison to the value of good armor.  <BR><BR>My advice is get armor first, then worry about upgrading weapons and combat arts (in that order).  Adept 1s and App. IVs will do fine until you are 50 and have enough extra time and money to go back and buy any lower tier adept 3's.  <BR> <P>Message Edited by Tagright on <SPAN class=date_text>04-13-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:22 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'd mostly agree with this except for one adept.  Unflinching will will help your defense more than any 1 piece of ebon could even hope to help you.  Defense is more important than a little more mitigation.

[Tagright]

Fair point.  But, unflinching will is not a tier 3.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> While you might consider getting unflinching will before a piece of ebon, I still would get ebon before the tier 3 adept of unfliching will's predecessor art.  I would do this even if I couldn't use the ebon yet and could use the tier 3 adept. <div></div>

[Sabin the Gre]

Blood Rage is a must for an Adept 3, at level 49 I'm still using it about every fight.  Tides of war was debateable for me, its nice, but the increases sure as hell weren't worth the plat for an opal, however, that being said I do use it regularly still so keep that in mind.  For your opal I would suggest relentless battering at 39.  Its a nice skill and gets no replacement.  If you are a more defensive minded person I would recommend promise of violence (talk about major hate generation). 

[KaiZas]

<DIV>Wow.... that's a lot of money you coughed up for an opal. Glad I found mine (ten minutes after entering the Enchanted Lands for the first time, I might add). I've checked the broker, it sells for 30 to 40G these days.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've never been one to use Blood Rage, actually. I consider it a bit dangerous. I know a good healer is essential, but when I'm the MT, I don't want to risk scaring him to death by loosing a third of my HP before the battle has even begun. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I'm gonna sleep on it some more. A warlock friend of mine has a lot of adept3 nukes and I have a hard time keeping the agro on me. I think I better invest in my taunting skills... I've already chosen most taunting trainings (the Balock ones), but they don't seem to cut it all the time.</DIV>

[Queen Ebos]

BTW warchant adept 3 is still bugged, only adds 10str, please submit a /bug about it everyone, this has been broken for a long time.

[-Aonein-]

Just wondering Queen, what lvl are you, cause i have App IV of this and it adds 12 STR.

[Bathory72]

hi is their a difference between anarchy adept1 and adept3. Thx <div></div>

[Queen Ebos]

<blockquote><hr>-Aonein- wrote:Just wondering Queen, what lvl are you, cause i have App IV of this and it adds 12 STR. <hr></blockquote>I was 40 when it said 10, now im 42 and it says it adds 11 (this the adept 1 version) adept 3 says it adds 11 now, so it scales with your level (as all spells do).

[Thuyk]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KaiZas wrote:<BR> <DIV>Wow.... that's a lot of money you coughed up for an opal. Glad I found mine (ten minutes after entering the Enchanted Lands for the first time, I might add). I've checked the broker, it sells for 30 to 40G these days.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've never been one to use Blood Rage, actually. I consider it a bit dangerous. I know a good healer is essential, but when I'm the MT, I don't want to risk scaring him to death by loosing a third of my HP before the battle has even begun. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I'm gonna sleep on it some more. A warlock friend of mine has a lot of adept3 nukes and I have a hard time keeping the agro on me. I think I better invest in my taunting skills... I've already chosen most taunting trainings (the Balock ones), but they don't seem to cut it all the time.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm another who loves Blood Rage.  I use it even when soloing, particularly against groups of 3+ green mobs - I seem to kill the groups much, much faster, making it well worth the 1/4 of health it costs.</DIV>

[Mordicus]

Upgraded Tides needless to say im a little disappointed. A friend of mine handed me a master Mutilate as i was the only Zerker there and i must say this spell is amazing. Would gladly post the actual upgrade if the devs hadnt accidently changed the listed stats. What would need to be done is a thread that lists upgrades, i know someone with a Master Rage but i dont think it upgrades, so whats the point?

[Queen Ebos]

<blockquote><hr>uccellin19 wrote:Upgraded Tides needless to say im a little disappointed. A friend of mine handed me a master Mutilate as i was the only Zerker there and i must say this spell is amazing. Would gladly post the actual upgrade if the devs hadnt accidently changed the listed stats. What would need to be done is a thread that lists upgrades, i know someone with a Master Rage but i dont think it upgrades, so whats the point? <hr></blockquote>Yes the tides upgrade isn't great, but opals are so cheap why not just upgrade them all. Also a thread of spell upgrades has been talked about, but most are against it because the damage value on the examine windows has been wrong for a long time, the values change based on your strength, and your level, making it hard to compare. To alleviate this we need to compare all spells at level 50 only, and with a strength of 100 (this should be easily tweakable by a level 50 by adding or removing certain armor peices), unless some classes have over 100 base str at 50, I'm not sure on this.

[Sabin the Gre]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bathory72 wrote:<BR>hi<BR><BR>is their a difference between anarchy adept1 and adept3. Thx<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sorry for the delayed response, and the answer is yes.  I want to say at level 50, with similiar strength I was getting about 70 more damage on the top and bottom end than someone with an Adept 1.  So you figure its going to proc atleast 3-4 times in a cast you're talking 210-280 damage increase (listed).  This makes it probably one of the best upgrades you can get.  I personally put this spell up there with blood rage as a must have Adept 3 for Berserkers.</DIV>

[Renzai]

I went with Anarchy, Frenzy and Vanquish so far. I noticed the stat upgrades for buff skills weren't all that significant. Although Vanq doesn't work on raid mobs it's still useful for grouping.

[Rokn]

<P>Im a 50 berserker on the same server as sabin.</P> <P>I am right there with sabin about getting anarchy adept 3 however i have not gotten the chance to get it, its in the near future. Blood rage, I can safely say i dont bother using because of how much hate I generate as it is... I find if you engage anarchy, then hit frenzy, berserkers assault (I am not sure of name, its the blue ae that hits 2 targets) then i spam the other specials. I currently have an adept 3 of frenzy, vanquish(POINTLESS), and all our buffs. I can say the buffs are worth upgrading if you are in a group to crank up the hp and haste. They are not huge upgrades but they are nice ones.</P> <P>If i was in your position and i had those rares however I dont think i would upgrade anything in T3, id probably sell them and get the 40g or w/e you can get for both of them together. For the opal I got screaming fury adept 3. If you stack that and the level 48ish haste/hp buff you can snag a good amount of haste, and the hp is always nice. However, I dont know what kind of berserker you are, pure dps, dps/tank, or tank. If you're dps, get your attacks first, dps/tank split buff/dps, and tank go defensive/buffs, however thats all obvious.</P> <P>Anyways, thats my input,</P> <P>Roknor - First 50 Berserker on Steamfont (1/19/05) - Leader of Valiance.</P>

[Dulan]

<div></div>I tried Promise of Violence and Tides of War. Let me tell you, do NOT upgrade these... useless. The taunt adds maybe 10 to hate factor... thats maybe 2% if that. Tides of War adds 1% haste, again not worth it. I also did Frenzy, this one may be worth it, overall on the desc it added over 100 Damage, realistically it added 50-75, but still a decent bump. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Dulanic on <span class=date_text>05-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:30 AM</span>

[cr0wangel]

<DIV>Thank you all for the answers, since I have a tier4, I will try to upgrade warchant to adept3. I will let you know if it worth it.</DIV>

[Flor]

Do NOT do War Chant. Im lvl 50, and i still have war chant adept 3 in bank. Adept 1 is 12 str, adept 3 is 10. Pls /bug it.

[cr0wangel]

Duh. What can I choose then? Someone said tide of war and promise of violence are crap. I need to choose a skill from 30-39. So rentless battering?

[Blutzo]

jepp, relentless is nice <div></div>