Request for Comment: the Fury Spell Class Timer & Function, working as intended?

[CherobylJ]

<DIV>I rarely ever direct a post to a mod.  However, in this case I'm so frustrated that I must make an exception.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ryan, Faar, *anyone*:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Is the Fury line of spells (the self damage shield type line) NOT supposed to EVER have a 10 minute timer?  This has been raised in 3 different "Berserker bug" lists over the last couple months.  There was a mysterious patch message a week back (3/21) saying it would go to 10 mins (but it didnt) and then nothing since.  There have been repeated requests by Stryker on the Test Feedback forum that have quietly died over the last 2 months w/o comment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Did you truly intend to have this spell line impacted by the "no refresh" spell functionality (introduced 2 weeks ago)?  Are you aware with the current timer how BADLY this impacts the utility of the spell?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Is the 60 second refresh intended to stay?  Is the finite number of hits and poof intended to stay?  Is there an awareness of how badly this hobbles the spell when combined with 1) and 2) above?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In my opinion, and in the opinion of many others on this board (who I will encourage to respond in a thoughful-non *ahem* aggresive manner), this is one of the ALPHA HIGHEST BUGS we face day in and day out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please respond to this so as to set our expectations.  If the answer is it is working as intended so be it, but please answer us (this thread is not intended as a whine or complaint).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cross reference:</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=8722&query.id=12772#M8722" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=8722&query.id=12772#M8722</A></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=6172&view=by_date_ascending&page=1http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9320&query.id=12960#M9320" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=6172&view=by_date_ascending&page=1<U><FONT color=#800080>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9320&query.id=12960#M9320</FONT></U></A></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9416&query.id=12971#M9416" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9416&query.id=12971#M9416</A></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9311&query.id=13036" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9311&query.id=13036</A></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9338&query.id=12772#M9338" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9338&query.id=12772#M9338</A></DIV> <DIV>a small sampling of related material.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Respectfully,</DIV> <P>Message Edited by CherobylJoe on <SPAN class=date_text>03-28-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>12:25 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by CherobylJoe on <span class=date_text>03-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:25 AM</span>

[Huna]

Yeah, I'd really like to see a comment on this one.  I used to try and keep fury up all the time, but now it's impossible to use it all the time, I only use it occasionally now <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. <div></div>

[Stromul]

Yeah the current way the timer works stinks.  If you try to refresh it you have to wait a whole 90 seconds.  That stinks!  Please I'd like a response from a dev stating if this will be looked at or what.<div></div>

[Davish_Darkwolf]

<DIV>This needs to be addressed since day 1 and in top of our priority skill fixes.</DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<P>I cannot see any reason for such secretacy on such a important matter. Reason i think its a Important matter is because take this as a example.</P> <P>Think back a few months ago, Scouts were tanking and Monks werent being hit, in a bid to fix this problem, they nerfed agility. Now they have disected the AC value and displayed the amount of mitigation and avoidance the number used to hide. Now that they have done this, there is still problems with avoidance, but its all to do with Buff Stacking, so i ask this, if they had fixed Buff Stacking in the first place, would they still have had to nerf agility seeing agility might not of even been causing the problem to begin with seeing that the problem still exsists because of buff stacking?</P> <P>Now there is the problem that was caused with LU#5 with buffs greying out and concentration buffs not even able to be refreshed like was stated on the patch notes. We get a range of 3 min buffs that use concentration and some that dont and none can be refreshed, if we do, they get cancled out and we have to wait a refresh timer ranging from 30 - 90 seconds, if we wait for the buff to run out we still have to wait the 30 - 90 seconds. This is EVERY 3 mins SoE, this is NOT FUN or Challenging and i think we are owed a explanation of what is going on here. Is it that hard for a Dev to log in here and tell us what the problem is, or is it that hard for a Dev, Mod, Rep, Manager to post in some section that there is a problem and its being looked into?</P> <P>SoE this is a bigger problem then you may think, and its a simple one to fix, just simply fix COMBAT ARTS, ABILITIES AND SPELLS so that the lower level spell gets over written by the higher level one, and when you try to cast the lower level one, its says something along the lines like " This spell will not take effect " just like Rallying Cry will not stack with Havoc or Anarchy.</P> <P>One thing i think needs to be addressed now is why did they feel the need to make buffs and certain combat arts grey out till they run there course? This is not fun SoE, this is frustrating, nothing more, i dont see any challenge in it what so ever.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P>

[CherobylJ]

Interesting...this has been floating out there a week or so and only a couple posts from the Berserkers here.  Am I overinflating this problem?  Be honest and candid.

[-Aonein-]

<P>Ethier no one plays Berserkers or.......no one plays Berserkers? I must admit though, Berserker forum is a very quite forum due to alot of the fixs and nerfs id say, compared to alot of others out there. Sometimes it feels like the reason we dont get no feed back is because there is simply not enough intrest or enough people that care to post how they acually feel from the changes, ethier they cant be bothered and quit playing the char and reroll or just quit all together.</P> <P>I just see the reason behind making spells / buffs work the way they do now, when they could just make it a more logic play style by making the reuse timers begin straight after the spell has been cast, if it gets interupted, fair enough, we should still have to wait for the reuse timer, but why, WHY SoE did you make them the way they are now? No one seems to see any logic to it.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P> <p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>03-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:45 AM</span>

[Styk]

I've made how many posts about this combat art. in the Test section, Combat spells etc and NEVER have i gotten a response ............... <div></div>

[CherobylJ]

<P>Aye bro I linked your post in my OP.</P> <P>This is really kinda starting to honk me off.</P> <P> </P>

[Styk]

The only logic i see behind why our spells/skills arent fixed is because SoE chooses not to... Why? if ALL our spells and arts were fixed we would be.... DPSing way more the we can now, Tank way more then we can now, Offer more Utility then we can now.... Thats why Tides of War was nerfed because we offered ALOT of utility in groups... Thats why Greater Fury isnt fixed , because we would do more dps then we can now...   Thats why our defense buffs dont stack now because we would be ALOT better tanks then now.... Berserkers i think are  LOW PRIORITY on SoE's list.... and you want to know why? we are one more the most popular figther classes in eq2 ( the most popular archtype ) in eq2..... SoE in there infininte wisdom are boosting other classes so they become more appealing and i guess they figure we LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH THAT WE WILL REROLL into those other classes SoE what is wrong ? Do you just hate berserkers so much that you can NEVER post any type of explaination to your berserker "fixes" We know you watch the boards since we see MODs on  the guardian forums once in a while trying to keep things civil there..... CAN YOU GIVE US AN ANSWER PLS MODERATORS? we are slowly getting tired of this ..... <div></div>

[-Aonein-]

<P>Aye styker, those reason are more then logical OR it could be bug? I know wishful thinking and if it was a bug seeing its not only effecting Berserkers but its also effecting every other class in one way or another, they would of fixed it by now, but the problem is, now many other class get buffs or arts that use concentration and only last 3 mins, so they probally dont even notice there is a problem, except for Bards.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P>

[-Aonein-]

<P>Another patch and still no mention on anything in reguards to Combat Arts, Abilities and Spells........./sigh SoE.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P>

[DarkRenown]

<DIV>I'm not one to cry Nerf. I understand the need to balance character types and races, and accept that it happens. Normally, if it effects me I shrug and move on, but the change to Fury really did affect my gameplay.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Before I could always have my buffs, focus rage, soldier stance and fury up with no problem, just check and recast as needed. Means I get the full benefit of my Beserker nature.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, the change to Fury, has made this skill practically obsolete. I use it very rarely, and only if I know that I have a big fight coming up. Otherwise, trying to cast it mid fight is pointless (especially solo).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I knwo we have other broken skills, and the change to Sunder was a 'nice' surprise. But I can cope with the others, that's hwo it is, bug it, hope they fix it, but keep on playing. But intentionally breaking something like this seems a bit strange. It worked fine before, and was useful. No one cried out that it made the Zerker too strong, no one cried out about how it made us 'uber' or anything. It was a handy little side buff. But no more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I use my Fists of Fire more often then fury now. At least it looks pretty.</DIV>

[ArivenGemini]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>-Aonein- wrote:<p>Now there is the problem that was caused with LU#5 with buffs greying out and concentration buffs not even able to be refreshed like was stated on the patch notes. We get a range of 3 min buffs that use concentration and some that dont and none can be refreshed, if we do, they get cancled out and we have to wait a refresh timer ranging from 30 - 90 seconds, if we wait for the buff to run out we still have to wait the 30 - 90 seconds. This is EVERY 3 mins SoE, this is NOT FUN or Challenging and i think we are owed a explanation of what is going on here. Is it that hard for a Dev to log in here and tell us what the problem is, or is it that hard for a Dev, Mod, Rep, Manager to post in some section that there is a problem and its being looked into? </p><hr></blockquote> It most definately is NOT fun.  I have pretty much stopped playing my berserker now as a result of the <b>forced</b> downtime during combat.  What is the point in trying to go out and get a XP group going when you are forced to either wait for 30% of your time for your buffs to refresh, or scale back what you are taking on to account for your lesser defenses?    It's obvious they want us to have those defenses (so far) or we would not get them at all... dont force me to sit there twiddling thumbs for 90 seconds waiting for my buffs to refresh. It would be acceptable if these buffs were on the 10 or 15 minute timers instead of the 3 minute ones... but this is rediculous now.  I think I have loaded my serk up twice now since the patch, and only because there were no other tanks available and my monk couldn't operate at the level I needed (not high enough level). No, I am not going to cancel my eq2 account, no I am not going to go on some posting rampage.. but no I am not likely to play my once main character now until this changes... which is depressing because he -used- to be a fun character to play...</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Ariven on <span class=date_text>03-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:55 AM</span>

[Stromul]

Yeah I would like a simple response that they looking into and going to fix it.  Seems like this is an ignored forum. <div></div>

[Styk]

IMO When they moved Sunder up to a upper lvl AE Taunt , that equaled = Nothing ? want to know why? The Training AE Taunt only gives 65 less haste then Sunder Adept 1 does when it turns white yet The Training AE has a Ten Second faster recast time ..... so if you do the math you will get more bang from your Taunt from our Lvl 30 Training AE Taunt then you would with sunder since you can use it more in battle... ( oh and it can still be used in Epic fights unlike Sunder and fearsome shout which cant ) Strykr Destructicus 49 Berserker <div></div>

[ArivenGemini]

<div></div>This was posted today by Moorgard on test update notes:<p><strong>Berserker changes: </strong></p><p>- Blood Rage no longer toggles and the reuse timer has been changed to 46 seconds.</p><p>- The following arts no longer toggle, now last for 15 minutes, and the reuse timer has been changed to 90 seconds:</p><p><span> </span>- Fury<span>  </span></p><p><span> </span>- Greater Fury</p><p><span> </span>- Unbridled Fury</p><p>- Darkmoore's Protective Advance should now work correctly.</p><p>- Wallop's secondary effect will now hit multiple targets.</p><p>- Furious Onslaught will now grant a Berserk effect when it lands.</p><p>- Vehemence Adept 1 will now be an improvement to the Apprentice IV version of the art.</p><p>- Promise of Violence will now have a chance to proc berserk and will apply a strength buff to the caster.</p><p>- The proc effects on the following spells or combat arts now deal direct damage instead of granting an additional attack:</p><p><span> </span>- Blood Rage</p><p><span> </span>- Fury</p><p><span> </span>- Greater Fury</p><p><span> </span>- Anarchy</p><p><span> </span>- Unbridled Fury</p><p><span> </span>- Rampage</p><p>- The following spells or combat arts had their reuse timer removed:</p><p><span> </span>- Form of the Furious Bear</p><p>- The following spells or combat arts no longer toggle:</p><p><span> </span>- Focus Rage</p><p><span> </span>- Stifled Rage</p><p><span> </span>- Weapon Shield</p><p><span> </span>- Controlled Rage</p><p><span> </span>- Weapon Guard</p><p><span> </span>- Darkmoore's Protective Advance</p><p>- The following spells or combat arts no longer expire and had their reuse timer removed:</p><p><span> </span>- Infuriation</p><p><span> </span>- Vehemence</p><div></div>

[CherobylJ]

<P>15 minutes will shut me up and leave me happy.</P> <P>BUT what about the mythical-"hit a limited time and poof"?  NEED AN ANSWER...come on SOE just one little itty bitty answer.</P>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>CherobylJoe wrote:<p>15 minutes will shut me up and leave me happy.</p> <p>BUT what about the mythical-"hit a limited time and poof"?  NEED AN ANSWER...come on SOE just one little itty bitty answer. </p><hr></blockquote> Yeah a reasonable time is all I want for these... </span><div></div>

[CherobylJ]

Anyone have a toon on the test server that can comment on this (as SOE apparantly wont)?

[JDDbull]

I honestly dont think they have any clue what most of the skills do or how their tweaks even effect them.  They never give explainations cause they prob have no idea what it does anymore.