Question for Berserkers reguarding Avoidance.

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>Simple question, nothing mathematical or brain bashing about it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Would you be willing to sacrafice Avoidance for it to be converted into Mitigation in the form of Defense Skill becoming Mitigation based instead of Avoidance based? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To me, Defense should = Mitigation, Defense = Avoidance just doesnt seem right having Defense skill add to Avoidance, it doesnt mechanically fit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So in short, just incase i have confused anyone, instead of Defense adding to your avoidance, would you rather that converted into Mitigation ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also would you be happy if they reduced your Agility bonus on Armor but converted what they took into Mitigation per peice that changed?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im a yes for Defense = Mitigation and More Mitigation per armor peice with a reduction in Agility per armor peice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bare in mind, do not try to compare the way you play now to the decision you make, cause the way you play now, may well become obselete, and you will wish you had more Mitigation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT : Sorry i dont mean sacrafice all Avoidance, just avoidance in the form of Defense which should = Mitigation. As for Parry and Block ( Shield ), then yes, these should add to avoidance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</DIV><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>03-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:41 PM</span>

[Chog]

<DIV>As a Berserker our mitigation should be higher then our avoidance.  If that requires defense skills to add to mitigation instead of avoidance so be it.  However, I do believe the shield should still add to avoidance.</DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<P>Yes i have no problem with us recieving Avoidance in the style of Block ( Shield ) and Parry, these are the only two ways we or any Plate Class fighter should be able to avoid damage. Defense should = Mitigation though.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P>

[Davish_Darkwolf]

<DIV>I think Defense in EQ2  is somehow  equal to defense  in real life martial arts.   Defense in any martial art is not the clothes im wearing,  its my ability to evade, parry or block during combat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's a more  "active defense" aproach  instead of a  "passive defense".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Imo it's just fine as it is and more logical than  Defense = Mitigation</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway dont see any problem with my  Mitigation / Avoidance  so far,  im level 42 and handling very well against several mobs, even solo.  Im able to do things now that i never dreamed of at early stages.</DIV>

[JBo]

<P>I think like this:</P> <P>Defense = Mitigation + Avoidance</P> <P>See, if you are more skilled at defending yourself, not just you will get hit less by your opponents, but you will also get hit much less harder.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[-Aonein-]

<P>They are going to lower our Avoidance rate, so it can only be one or the other. Being Plate class tanks, all im hoping is when they do reduce our avoidance rate that they increase our Mitigation, cause i dont care where it comes from, they just better do it, cause we are going to be getting a hell of alot more hits incoming.</P> <P>The only reason your use to Defense = Avoidance is because most here have relyed on Avoidance to tank, well its turned out to be a big no no and getting looked into, so everyone who has been pumping those numbers into Agility, will be seriously hurt.</P> <P>Another i hope they do is let us /respec again after this next adjustment, so the people who did roll it all into Agility can then rechose.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P> <p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>03-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:44 AM</span>

[Kaberu]

<P>Defense is a skill. The skills of the fighter determines how good you are based on your experiences in combat. A highly skill fighter can ecade more blows than a novice. That is what Defense, in part, represents. It's one of your skills of defending yourself from attacks by avoiding them.</P> <P>If by some chance my opponent is skilled enough to hit me, the damage is partially absorbed by what I'm wearing. If you try to slash me with a sword and I can't dodge it or parry it or block it with a shield, a plate chestpiece is going to reduce the hit I take more than if I was wearing a cloth shirt. That is mitigation.</P> <P>It's simple to argue semantics in terms of real life definitions and points of view, but in the game that is the context to which those terms are defined.</P> <P> </P>

[Styk]

IMO i think Shields ( Block ) should be moved over to Mitigation instead of avoidance.... For one only plate tanks can use them.... Brawlers cant The Raw figure on it is misleading ..... if they its gonna stay as avoidance then remove the big "AC" number on it and give it an avoidance value instead.... Do that and the status quo should stand but yeah for zerkers IMO Mitigation> Avoidance <div></div>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Styker wrote:<BR>IMO i think Shields ( Block ) should be moved over to Mitigation instead of avoidance.... <BR><BR>For one only plate tanks can use them.... Brawlers cant<BR><BR>The Raw figure on it is misleading ..... if they its gonna stay as avoidance then remove the big "AC" number on it and give it an avoidance value instead....<BR><BR>Do that and the status quo should stand<BR><BR>but yeah for zerkers IMO Mitigation> Avoidance<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nice idea Styker, im more for the number value adding to Mitigation then staying avoidance on shields myself, not sure how others would feel though.</P> <P><STRONG><U>FIX COMBAT ARTS, ABILITIES AND SPELLS</U></STRONG> first then :</P> <OL> <LI>Defense to Mitigation.</LI> <LI>Shields to Mitigation or just give them a % chance to Block value like 7% chance to block, instead of 800 Sheild factor.</LI> <LI>Spells / Buffs add to avoidance only if not Defense generated buffs where they would then add to mitigation.</LI> <LI>Remove the huge amounts of Agility plate class tanks recieve on Armor and replace it with increased Mitigation values plus some STR and STA stats to offset for the amount we will be getting hit due to lose of avoidance.</LI></OL> <P>After all is said and done, they <STRONG><U>FIX COMBAT ARTS, ABILITIES AND SPELLS</U></STRONG> and <STRONG><U>CORRECT BUFF STACKING</U></STRONG>, that should bring our avoidance down to a more realistic form, then fine tune our mitigation form there, no need for a huge game revamp of all class's and NPC's, cause all i smell is another 6 months of /bug, /petition, and lots of crying on the forums my class is broke if they go down that road, and if that happens, i see lots of people going another path instead of spending money to BETA test EQ2 for another 6 months.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>03-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:49 PM</span>