AHHRGGGG [Removed for Content] Sony?

[Immohtep]

<DIV>C'mon Devs,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Fury line has NEVER worked as a normal buff. We used to be able to recast it within the allowed 3 minutes. You guys POSTED IN A PATCH MESSAGE that it was supposed to be upped to 10 minutes. Now i think most of us have delt with it and can keep the buff up if we're diligent about recasting it. But todays launch/patch has yet AGAIN messed with this buff line!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WHEN are you guys going to GET IT RIGHT. Or at least have the common courtesy to TELL US [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is up with this? Now when i cast Greater Fury, i CANNOT RECAST it. Then on top of that i have to WAIT for the repop? You guys are making baby jebus VERY unhappy. As well as a lot of Berserkers. This buff helps us keep agro when we're the MT in groups. I'll have to do some testing, but my guess is that we're gonna be losing alot of ground waiting for this buff to repop.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Make it last 10 minutes to begin with. Like you posted.</DIV> <DIV>2. If it HAS to have a cool down period (which imo is utter BS). Then keep the 3 minute recast and see #1.</DIV> <DIV>3. STOP MESSING WITH IT. It's not breaking ANY part of the game.</DIV>

[Voyd]

<DIV>Same thing here. Recast timer on Greater Fury is borked. Once cast, it stays greyed out. No countdown for the recast timer. If you try to recast it, it cancels Greater Fury and only then does the recast timer work.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also play a Necro. The recast timers on all my buffs, pets and pet buffs are borked in the same way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Frustrating to say the least.</DIV>

[ArivenGemini]

Weapon shield is like this too.. This gives me a good chunk of time where several of my buffs will not be active.. thus lowering my safety and capacity as a tank... I cant see this as anything but a nerf and a slap in the face with a hearty "slow down there bucko, you shouldn't be pulling so fast" Rather annoying to say the least... <div></div>

[Roph]

Do we have any confirmation yet that Sony realizes what they've done?  I mean is this intentional or not?  Is there another board we should post all this feedback on that they read more often?  Maybe the spells/skills board.  If you haven't already, I'd post there.  Also, don't forget to send feedback.. if every zerker reports this as a bug, we might get heard.

[Kannab]

<DIV>Greater Fury, Weapon Shield, and Darkmoores protective are all screwed up.  Does not come as a surprise that they messed up the class skills once again.  Whoever is doing this behind the scenes a word of advice:  IT'S NOT FUNNY. Stop screwing this class up.  I love EQ 2 but I'm really starting to have second thoughts about the game.  The constant nerf patches and screw ups are getting very annyoing and are just driving me further away from the game.    </DIV>

[FamilyManFir]

<P>Apparently this is intentional, for the Fury line anyway.  From the 3/21/05 Update Notes:</P> <P>- Toggleable maintained spells will now begin their reuse timer when cancelled. They should block any other spells that are upgrades/downgrades of the same line while active, and should begin the reuse timers on those upgrades/downgrades when the blocking spell is cancelled.</P> <P>Doesn't that sound like what people are noticing here?</P>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FamilyManFirst wrote:<BR> <P>Apparently this is intentional, for the Fury line anyway.  From the 3/21/05 Update Notes:</P> <P>- Toggleable maintained spells will now begin their reuse timer when cancelled. They should block any other spells that are upgrades/downgrades of the same line while active, and should begin the reuse timers on those upgrades/downgrades when the blocking spell is cancelled.</P> <P>Doesn't that sound like what people are noticing here?</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Weapon Shield line uses concentration, Fury line doesnt, Fury line is suppose to be on a 10 min timer, it isnt, our group buffs are suppose to be on a 15 min timer, they arent. The list goes on and on.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kannabis wrote:<BR> <DIV>Greater Fury, Weapon Shield, and Darkmoores protective are all screwed up.  Does not come as a surprise that they messed up the class skills once again.  Whoever is doing this behind the scenes a word of advice:  IT'S NOT FUNNY. Stop screwing this class up.  I love EQ 2 but I'm really starting to have second thoughts about the game.  The constant nerf patches and screw ups are getting very annyoing and are just driving me further away from the game.    </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I turely hate to say it, but im with Kannabis. Been a SoE EQ1 player for over 4 years, then i moved here when it was released. This class is doing nothing but going up and down and round and round in circles, they fix, they break, they nerf, they fix, they break, they nerf, it just goes on and on and on and on, and just when things did start to look up for the class, we have fallen all the way down again, Tides of War Line is broken, Weapon Shield Line is broken, Fury Line is broken, our group buffs are meant to be on 15 min timers, there on 10 min timers, certain groups buffs are meant to be on 10 min timers, there <STRONG><U><FONT size=3>STILL</FONT></U></STRONG> on 3 min timers, about 50% of our Arts work, the other 40% are broken and then there is the mysterious 10% we dont know if its working or broken. Whats worse is, they know these problems exsist, but :</P> <OL> <LI>They dont address us on what the issues are, they just expect us to wait and see if they come up in the next patch, if not, oh well maybe next month. Not on.</LI> <LI>They expect us to be mind readers cause the lack of communication between Devs and acual class forums for example, every class forum now has a Conslidated list of bugged spells and broken arts, how hard would it be for a Dev or Moderator to post on those Threads that "Ice Comet" spell is working as intended or "Rapid Strikes" combat art is broken and being looked into, we cant read minds, we do not know if there broken, fixed or the way they are suppose to be unless we are told by a Dev or Mod.</LI> <LI>They just keep on releasing new Content along with new Material and it just keeps on coming, i mean yeah, its great, but whats the point when we cant play our own class's properly that the fun is being sucked out daily.</LI> <LI>They fix things or adjust things with out telling us its been fixed or adjusted, again, we arent mind readers and people dont have time to run around and test every single thing after every single daily patch to see whats fixed or adjusted, a simple text note on Launch pad or in Class forums would not hurt and save people alot of head ache, including Devs and Mods, Resistances are a prime example here, Tides of War is another.</LI></OL> <P>Now before people use the " They dont have to tell us every single little detail they fix " point of view, when it comes to my class, then yes they do, when its to do with coding issues to do with mob pathing and layouts of zones, then no, i dont care, a simple note saying " mobs pathing issues have been addresed and are more accruate " is suffucient, but adjusting Class's and not saying one thing about it untill we log in and ethier notice it OR parse it, then they say " Oh yes this was intentional, sorry about any confusion " is just simply not on and its starting to frustrate the people who have been here since day one live release, to the people who  pick the game at the shop today or tommorrow, this is simply the way it is, to them, there is no difference and there going to love it ethier way no matter what my view is or the person next to me cause they havent had enough time or experience to see these things.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>FamilyManFirst wrote:<p>Apparently this is intentional, for the Fury line anyway.  From the 3/21/05 Update Notes:</p> <p>- Toggleable maintained spells will now begin their reuse timer when cancelled. They should block any other spells that are upgrades/downgrades of the same line while active, and should begin the reuse timers on those upgrades/downgrades when the blocking spell is cancelled.</p> <p>Doesn't that sound like what people are noticing here?</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Oh yeah, I know its from that note...   my point is why do I have a 3 minute buff that I have a 90 second down time after?  If I want to keep that buff up while in combat I pretty much have to wait out that timer...  I could live with it if it was a 10 or more minute buff since the down time per up time would be better.. </span><div></div>

[CherobylJ]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FamilyManFirst wrote:<BR> <P>Apparently this is intentional, for the Fury line anyway.  From the 3/21/05 Update Notes:</P> <P>- Toggleable maintained spells will now begin their reuse timer when cancelled. They should block any other spells that are upgrades/downgrades of the same line while active, and should begin the reuse timers on those upgrades/downgrades when the blocking spell is cancelled.</P> <P>Doesn't that sound like what people are noticing here?</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Perfectly reasonable <FONT color=#cc0066 size=7><STRONG><U>IF</U></STRONG></FONT> the timer was 10 minutes and not 3.</P> <P>I'm fairly sure this was a universal change not meant for our class specfically but really was a kick in danglings when you combine it with THE SINGLE MOST AGGRAVATING ISSUE EVER TO FACE THE BERSERKER COMMUNITY (tm).</P> <P>Jeez SOE its wheel of fortune, spend some money and buy a clue?</P> <P>FIX THE FURY LINE TIMER (can I get an AMEN?).  YOU HAVE HAD 2+ [Removed for Content] MONTHS!!!!<BR></P> <p>Message Edited by CherobylJoe on <span class=date_text>03-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:14 PM</span>

[FamilyManFir]

Pardon me, I did not mean to imply that I <i>liked</i> this change, I was simply pointing out that it seems to be intentional.  Moreover, I agree, the Fury line duration needs fixing, particularly since it was <i>supposed</i> to be fixed months ago.  With this change to its reuse it become even more urgent that its timer be correctly assigned. <div></div>

[CherobylJ]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FamilyManFirst wrote:<BR>Pardon me, I did not mean to imply that I <I>liked</I> this change, I was simply pointing out that it seems to be intentional.  Moreover, I agree, the Fury line duration needs fixing, particularly since it was <I>supposed</I> to be fixed months ago.  With this change to its reuse it become even more urgent that its timer be correctly assigned.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I didnt take it that you liked it :smileyvery-happy:  Thought you had a good post.  Hell I have no problem with this change if the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] skill was 10 minutes.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by CherobylJoe on <span class=date_text>03-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:51 PM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CherobylJoe wrote:<BR> <BR> <P align=left>FIX THE FURY LINE TIMER (can I get an AMEN?).  YOU HAVE HAD 2+ [Removed for Content] MONTHS!!!!<BR></P> <P>Message Edited by CherobylJoe on <SPAN class=date_text>03-23-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:14 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>A [Removed for Content] MEN !!!!!!!!!</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server<BR></P>

[Voyd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CherobylJoe wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>FIX THE FURY LINE TIMER (can I get an AMEN?).  YOU HAVE HAD 2+ [Removed for Content] MONTHS!!!!<BR></P> <P>Message Edited by CherobylJoe on <SPAN class=date_text>03-23-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:14 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> <DIV>Big old AMEN here as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only way you can get the listed 90 second recast out of Greater Fury now is if you cancel the buff as soon as you cast it. Since nobody does that, you have to wait for the spell to run it's 3 minute course with an additional 90 seconds after it wears off before you can recast it... that's actually a 4 minute 30 second recast time. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As it is, if you want to try and keep GF up all the time (and why wouldn't anybody?) you now waste 20 minutes of every hour waiting for the recast timer. Not good. MMORPG Design 101... downtime = NOT FUN. Not fun = unhappy customer. Unhappy customer = not good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I like EQ2, but, this constant barrage of little changes, regardless of if it's a fix or not, is getting really, really old. The joke in our guild right now goes something like this... "EQ2 is like the weather here in <insert your state here>. Don't like it today? Come back tomorrow. It won't be the same game you logged off of yesterday". Is that what you're after?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Peace</DIV></DIV>