Combat Arts and Spells need to be addrssed in the next big patch please SOE.

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>Ive been reading alot class forums lately, including Combat, Spells and Abilities forum, and it seems class's are seriouslly hurting from bugged or broken Combat Arts or Spells. Im not going to say that anyone class needs to fixed and addressed first because each and every class forum now has extensive write ups on there problems at hand and it's not only affecting them, it's affecting everyone, whether it be a solo, duo, trio or group situation. Majority of the " This class is too powerful, it needs to be adjusted " debates are because of the combat art system and spell system not working like there meant or designed too, take a few Berserker class Combat Arts for example ( keep in mind im relating to Berserkers cause this is the Berserker forum, other class's have write up on there forum homes if you are interested in seeing how bad it really is ) ;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><U>Tides of War Adept 3 :</U></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Description : Increases the offense of the <STRONG><U>group</U></STRONG> and increases the attack speed of the berserker.</DIV> <UL> <LI>Increase Attack Speed of the caster by 47%</LI> <LI>Increase Crushing, Piercing  and Slashing of <STRONG><U>caster</U></STRONG> by 10</LI> <LI>Casts Berserk on caster. On succesful attack this sepll has a 10% chance to :</LI> <UL> <LI>Increase Damage Per Second of target by 5%</LI> <LI>Increase Attack Speed of target by 43%</LI></UL></UL> <P>Now since the last big patch which fixed Tides of War, because it was never meant to give the entire group haste, which is what it was doing, but since the fix, now it doesnt increase the groups offensive skills at all, it is at the moment only deterimental to the caster, does not affect anyone's offensive skills what so ever now.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Greater Fury</U></STRONG> line of combat arts for a Berserker was suppose to be upgraded to a 10 min self buff duration timer which <STRONG><U>still</U></STRONG> to this day has not been addressed.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Darkmoore's Protective Advance</U></STRONG>, our level 40 specialization is still using <STRONG>3</STRONG> concentration points and isnt adding anything to Parry skill but is adding to AC of pyhsical damage, when Weapon Shield is now on a <STRONG>1</STRONG> concentration point and is adding to Parry skill. These buff's recast timers are starting after the spell has run its course or when you remove them.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Promise of Violence</U></STRONG> never increases the STR of the caster like it states it does, ever. From the description of the spell, im probally not the only one under the impression that its suppose to ethier be a maintained spell for a certain amount of time like Raging Strike OR its suppose to give us 20 str every time it succesfully hits ( which is 80% of the time ) for a certain amount of time.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Rampage</U></STRONG> has a recast timer of 1 hour. 5 mobs x 8 hits x 170 damage = 6800 damage every hour. What is the aim here SoE, we know we arent a DPS class, we are a Offensive tank, but 1 hour recast timer ? Would a 900 second = 15 minute recast timer be asking to much here. Some people dont play any more then 2-3 hours a night, if that, they get to use this skill once maybe twice a night, <STRONG>if</STRONG> they remember its repopped ready for use.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Rescue</U></STRONG> is on a 1800 second = 30 minute timer. For any Fighter class, this would be of much more use if it was on a 15 min timer because as it is, i dont even have it loaded in my hot buttons because of the insane amoiunt of time it takes to reuse it, its basically pointless when i can just use a combination of group buff and High damage DPS combat art's to pull agro off a caster / healer just as easy.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Wallop</U></STRONG> which is the upgrade to Stomp, is suppose to hit every mob within a encounter or upto 8 mobs total. At the present moment its only hitting one mob.</P> <P><STRONG><U>Quaility enchancements</U></STRONG> to Combat Arts and Spells in the form of Apprentice I to Adept 3 have the most minimal upgrade that its almost not worth the money you have to pay for the rares or the time you have to put in to farm the rares. Like i suggested before, we know SoE cannot fully control a player controlled market system, which is not what i would expect, but what i would expect is a great increase in skills / spells especially when some of these rares are costing in excess of 1 plat and up. If there is a increase, which /show_window mainHUD.Character has shown that in the code there is quite a significant increase in some of the Combat Arts and Spells we get, but they are not showing in the windows when we examine them, numbers are not matching.</P> <P>To those Berserkers who read or post on this thread, keep in mind, we are not a DPS class, we are a Offensive Tank, asking for more targets per encounter on some of our AoE's and increased damage to those that have long cast timers will start to make us more overpowering. As it is, we are fairly balanced, we do good enough DPS when planned out right and if you use your skills in the right situation, at the right times and the right set of weapon combo in many different encounters, we become very dangerous opponents and we also can tank very very well reguardless of what anyone trys to say.</P> <P>Please SoE, your game is great, you have added so much content and fixed so many quests since launch is unbelievale, its a feat to be proud of, but next big patch may we get a nice big update on Combat Arts, Abilities and Spells please, the game is starting to lack very badly in this department.</P> <P>Thank you.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 42th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>03-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:09 AM</span>

[JBo]

<DIV>Highly agree.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The broken arts, abilities and spells can make players very disappointed at some time, and needs to be addressed as soon as possible.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would suggest SOE assigning 24 different persons (be either players or developers) to look after and take care of broken spells for each subclass.  </DIV>

[CherobylJ]

<DIV>100 percent agree with this post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is not extremely dis-heartening to see that nearly 2 MONTHS after this post:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=6172" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=6172</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That approximately 80 percent of the items listed remain un-address (20 items listed, 4 repaired).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Indeed NEW items have been broken in the course of fixing "player-favorable" bugs (see Tides explanation listed above by Aon) while leaving "player-disfavorable" bugs un-touched.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please stongly consider this list SOE, we are now 5 months into production of a live product.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Scarax]

I completely agree with you Aonein. I will say though that I think on the list of classes needed fixing, we're down the list towards the bottom.There are other classes that are way WAY worse off than we are right now. Coercers and Furies come to mind. That said, if they want to fix out list of broken stuff first, more power to them.

[Kannab]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P><STRONG><U>Darkmoore's Protective Advance</U></STRONG>, our level 40 specialization is still using <STRONG>3</STRONG> concentration points and isnt adding anything to Parry skill but is adding to AC of pyhsical damage, when Weapon Shield is now on a <STRONG>1</STRONG> concentration point and is adding to Parry skill. These buff's recast timers are starting after the spell has run its course or when you remove them.</P> <P> <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE>This is needs t be fixed.  I picked this becasu it says it was a upgrade to weapon shield.  Originally wepon shield took three concentration slots, but after patch it was fixed to take on concentration slot.  However developers forgot to also fix it's upgrade.  I picked this thinking it would also take one concentration slot, hence it is the upgrade to weapon shield.  There was nothing in the description to tell me this upgrade took three concentration slots.  So either please fix this to be a true weapon shield upgrade or let me pick my special trainig ability again.  I sent a bug report btw.   

[fiercele]

/agree with this thread all of these things should be fixed, please look into these arts devs.Heres my beefs that id just like to throw in there,I'd really like to see the group haste put back in, its nice to be able to provide a group with something other than subpar tanking.When upgrading a taunt to adept3, it really should make a more of a differance than 30 hate. rampage, its a total waste 90% of the time, a shorter recast timer would be greatly appreciated!"<a target="http://www.trinity-guild.com"><img height="120" src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/542/741.jpg" width="365"></a>"<p>Message Edited by fierceleaf on <span class=date_text>03-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:50 AM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<P>SoE i noticed Berserkers havent even been mentioned in the Spells, Combat Arts fixs on recent test server patch notes, please tell me that there is some sort of fix coming for our broken spells, cause like i have pointed out above, your adding even more new content yet again with the next big patch while <STRONG><U>STILL</U></STRONG> ignoring the players most <STRONG><U>NEEDED</U></STRONG> fix, our Combat Arts, Spells and Abilities need to be addressed, badly.</P> <P>Those who read this and are interested, just visit each class forum, and see how bad it is, SoE NEED to address this, cause i for one am getting tired of using broken Combat Arts, Spells and Abilities and im 100% sure im not the only one who is getting sick of it.</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=31" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=31</A></P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 44th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P> <p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>03-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:22 AM</span>

[Ixiecoa]

<P>most important fix:</P> <P> </P> <P>controlled rage (useless atm) needs to be adressed so its defense portion does stack with our other defense buffs - so we can get almost the same mitigation guardians get and are therefore be able to raid tank epic mob(not as good as them .... but also not as bad as now) and while you re at it, make it 10 mins instead of 3</P> <P> </P> <P>if SoE fixes that they can even nerf my dmg more (well not too much pls^^) but i picked berserker because it was part of the warrior class, so i want to tank, and yes that includes epic mobs not just xp groups.</P>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> -Aonein- wrote: <P>it is at the moment only deterimental to the caster</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>how so?</P> <P>and that list is way old CherobylJoe, we're better off that what it suggests.</P> <P>even though we're not getting directly mentioned in the patch notes, we're still getting some fixes through gamewide changes.</P>

[-Aonein-]

<DIV> <P><STRONG>- You can now recast/refresh a spell that uses concentration without needing to cancel it first. Bards are so happy, they just might write a song about it.</STRONG></P> <P>Cause now when i use Weapon Guard / Darkmoore's Protective Advance, it buffs me like normal, but now the Icon for the art stays greyed out till it wears off, <STRONG><U>THEN</U></STRONG> the timer for recast starts, if i try to click it, it cancels the spell, and the refresh timer starts.</P> <P>Now if i have Weapon Guard up and i want to stack Darkmoore's Protective Advance with it and i click Darkmoore's Protective Advance, what happens, it cancels Weapon Guard and i got to wait for the refresh timer to run out.</P> <P>I mean come on SoE, this isnt even funny anymore and its seriously depressing to play a class that you cant even play probally like mechanically designed due to Combat Arts, Abilites and Spells now working like intended.</P> <P>Please fix our Combat Arts, Abilites and Spells, and i dont just mean the ones here in this thread, i mean all of them, I think we have all been a very patient bunch, but im not saying we should have any sway because of that, maybe just a reply on each forum class stating that such and such a skill is broken, or such and such a skill is working as intended would be very very appreciated by <STRONG><U>all</U></STRONG> class's, at least then, we would know if we are giving you the right Combat Arts, Abilities and Spells to look into cause we *think* there bugged or broken, we can at least see what is broken or bugged.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 45h Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P></DIV>

[Immohtep]

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9298" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=9298</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>" it buffs me like normal, but now the Icon for the art stays greyed out till it wears off, <STRONG><U>THEN</U></STRONG> the timer for recast starts, if i try to click it, it cancels the spell, and the refresh timer starts."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The link above done by me also shows Greater Fury has been borked too. If the Bards are singing about it, it probably sounds like live kittens being thrown into a tree shredder. (no kittens were hurt in the writing of this post)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Immohtep on <span class=date_text>03-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:26 PM</span>

[eade]

<P>Fury and Focus Rage are suffering from the same problem now , trying to refresh them cancels it and restarts the reuse timer , this is crazy</P> <P>zach 28 berserker</P> <P>crushbone</P>

[Carancir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> eaders wrote:<BR> <P>Fury and Focus Rage are suffering from the same problem now , trying to refresh them cancels it and restarts the reuse timer , this is crazy</P> <P>zach 28 berserker</P> <P>crushbone</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>the same is true for Weapon Shield...</P> <P>I have deleted those skills from my Hotbars now because it´s just frustrating to throw them up and get all exited once the timer runs out. Am i supposed to beg my party for "plz wait guys... 30/90 sec recast-timer" every other pull? I thought those self-buffs have been supposed to define our class when beeing MT - now they are basically meaningless because it´s rather a game of chance that you manage to have them up in any given fight.</P> <P>I consider this latest "fix" nothing but grieving. Can a Dev plz be so kind and try explain this?</P> <P>Oh yes... and of course no mentioning in the patch notes about all this - way to go...</P> <P> </P> <P>Greetings</P> <P>Carancir Lvl 32 Berserker</P> <P>Splitpaw</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Averni]

<DIV>mmmmm /agree</DIV>

[Peyed]

I have an unusual perspective, in that I have both troubadour and beserker characters.  I rolled the zerker because I was getting frustrated with the negative changes made to the troubs, and because I was tired of being only a support class who can't solo very well.  So, you'd think that my troubadour would be "singing a song" about the changes to buffing. No.  In fact, if I were a dirge, I'd be composing downer tunes right about now. As a troubadour, before the patch, it was annoying to manually cancel a 2 concentration buff to recast it, but I was able to work around it.  It was frustrating, but it did not hamper my gameplay much.  Recast timers on those buffs are no more than a second or two.  The patch change is a convenience for troubadours, and that's it. As a berserker, after the live #5 patch, it is crippling not to be able to recast spells that have a recast timer set to 40+ seconds, like fury.  Cancelling the active spell when casting it again, on top of having to wait out the recast timer, is an incredible frustration and unfairly limits our abilities.  This aside from the fact that fury is supposed to be a 10-minute buff anyway. Why can't recasting a buff just REFRESH the buff and not cancel the original one?  That would solve the pre-patch frustration for troubadours while removing the post-patch frustration from berserkers.   (It might positively affect other classes, too - I haven't checked out the other forums yet). <div></div>