why do we get so many berserk skills, from confused berserker.

[NecroR]

<DIV>im a lvl 24 berserker, i have focus rage whitch i love. makes my starfall do wicked dps.</DIV> <DIV>then i got furiosu onslaught, didnt know why i needed 2 berserks, and it did like 10% of the damage my bleeding blade does so i threw it away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>then i got enrage i use it constantly but what does 2 berserkers do for me?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>then i get raggins strike reduces my dps for berserk.. what use is that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if im getting reduced defense... i think then its a bad thing tanking right?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>just a little confused.. answers would be appreciated.</DIV><p>Message Edited by NecroRat on <span class=date_text>02-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:34 PM</span>

[Erick_Stormfu]

<DIV>Additional beserks stack... but you take an increase hit to defense as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if your the main tank, i'd say you never want to have 2 beserks up at once, you just get beat to death too badly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but if your in more of a dps mode, the more beserks up, the more haste you get, which equals more dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Erick</DIV>

[Huna]

berserk doesn't affect defense.

[Erick_Stormfu]

<DIV>excuse me, it doesn't effect your defense score, but IT DOES EFFECT YOUR MITIGATION.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>with a group very hard or double arrow green mob, I can solo it without a problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the key.... limit my beserk ability.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>when i have no beserks up what so ever, I will regenerate more hit points then the mob can inflict on me... he'll hit me for around 40 points every 3 or 4 rounds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>when i get a single beserk, he'll hit me for about 80 points of damage ever 3 or 4 rounds....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>when i get the second beserk up, he hits me for 200+ points every 3 or 4 rounds........</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Erick</DIV>

[Wolver]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Read the discription of the skills that make you go berserk, they explain what berserk does: increase of damage per second and increase in attack speed, nothing else.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If going berserk would affect your mitigation as much as you suggest than we couldn't use like half of our abilities when tanking, we'd be a broken class. Using Enrage (aera taunt + berserk) on any challenging group would be suicide, and I know it isn't, I use it all the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you don't like to go berserk, go play a guardian~ :smileytongue:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Wolveren on <span class=date_text>02-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:31 PM</span>

[Ender]

Nowhere in the berserk skill ever says anything about affecting mitigation.

[Namsin]

ClassSpell Name SkillLevelPower Cost ConcentrationDescriptionBerserkerFocus Rageberserk2001http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=4Focuses damage taken into a rage that will sometimes cause a berserk state. <b>When berserk, a berserker loses some defense,</b> but gains increased damage and attack rate. In addition, the berserker may use certain combat arts that require the berserk state.<p>Message Edited by Namsin on <span class=date_text>02-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:21 PM</span>

[reakshav]

<DIV> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffff00 size=3>20 - Focus Rage : Go Berserk (Attack speed and strength buff for reduced defense)</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffff00 size=3></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffff00 size=3>also here: <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=4" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=4</A></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffff00 size=3></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffff00 size=3>Can anyone parse this to see?</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffff00 size=3></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffcc size=3>I think I notice a difference, when I'm fight really tough mobs.  But its all perception.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P></DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>EQ2palyers have to update the system info cause a lot has changed with spell's and combat art's since the date of that, notice it was updated on the 12 / 20 / 2004? Our first big patch didnt go live till mid Jan 2005, and that's when our Berserk description's got changed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taemek Frozenberg 40th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</DIV>

[Scarax]

I'm telling you right now that Focus Rage doesn't effect defense, mitigation, parry, dodge, or anything that can affect your tanking. This is the way it was on release, but it got changed. If you search the forums and previous patch notes you will see that the "down side" of being 'zerk was removed about... I don't remember two months ago? Please don't ever ever ever ever ever look at the EQ2Players site for anything about what spells or abilities do. Someone else said it before I did, but the site is WAY out of date. Be berserk as much as you can. There is a definite upside and no downside.

[Erick_Stormfu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Scaraxes wrote:<BR>I'm telling you right now that Focus Rage doesn't effect defense, mitigation, parry, dodge, or anything that can affect your tanking. This is the way it was on release, but it got changed. If you search the forums and previous patch notes you will see that the "down side" of being 'zerk was removed about... I don't remember two months ago? Please don't ever ever ever ever ever look at the EQ2Players site for anything about what spells or abilities do. Someone else said it before I did, but the site is WAY out of date. <BR><BR>Be berserk as much as you can. There is a definite upside and no downside.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Scaraxes,</P> <P>please then, do a simple test, find a double arrow green group mob (Tank type) you should be able to solo it.</P> <P>fight 3 times:</P> <P> </P> <P>1st fight, dont rage at all, take off everything that would cause you to rage, and dont use skills that will cause you to rage.  you'll find you dont take any damage or the damage you take is so minimal that you heal more then you take.</P> <P>2nd fight, only use skills that send you into rage (no buffs, because you cant control when those go off) never allow yourself to get more then 1 rage... you'll find that you start to take damage, but still not bad (About twice what you were doing with no rage)</P> <P>3rd fight, rage away, keep two rages up at once..... oh... but you might want to stop... because you'll mostly die, because you'll be getting the snot kicked out of you.</P> <P> </P> <P>try it... just try it... its all i ask, if you still dont find any difference, then by all means, come back, and say i tried this, and it didnt work.. but some how i think you'll be amazed.</P> <P> </P> <P>-Erick</P>

[Huna]

<DIV>your test isn't a very good test.  Just the other day I was soloing green double ups and fighting them the exact same way each time.  Berserking as much as possible.  Each fight was different in the amount of hps I lost (yes I parse).  Several fights I didn't take any damage at all...</DIV>

[Scarax]

Erick,You were so adamant about your belief that berserk does do something to defense that I took your challenge. Here we go!I'm currently a level 34 Berserker and I used Green ^^ Skeletal Veterans in Thunderring Steppes to test this on.Reckless Stance - Combat Abilities that won't cause Berserk Average DPS: 33.8 Average Damage Taken: 1043Reckless Stance with Focus Rage - All Combat Abilities not Double Raging Average DPS: 42.2 Average Damage Taken: 794Reckless Stance with Focus Rage - All Combat Abilities Double Raging as much as possible Average DPS: 40.8 Average Damage Taken: 842This whole excercise was a great experience actually as it reinforced in my own mind that we DO kill things faster when we are berserk than we do when we're not berserk. The average fight took about a minute longer when I wasn't berserking and that accounts for the lower DPS as well as the additional damage taken. Double raging was really a wash as you can see. It didn't give me any benefits or detriments. It just gave me another little blinky icon to look at. There is one thing I noticed which was strange though and this might explain what you're seeing.When I was double raging I would do the whole Xmas tree thing, just blink like crazy, stick weapon in the air and all that. It seemed to really come in a spurt. Almost like I went berserk about 8 times in a row. I noticed that when this happened that I wasn't attacking at my normal rate. It's like I was missing attacks taking time to go berserk. Now what I'm thinking is that if that happens and you go through a 5-10 second spurt of just zerk, zerk, zerk, zerk and you're not swinging then that can add up to a rough loss of around 200-1000HP's of damage that I do to the mob. That loss of damage I inflict translates to 5-10 more seconds of the mob getting chances to power hit me again for 200's. For my fights it really was sort of a wash, but I can see where if you got stuck in a "zerk stutter" where it would look bad because the mobs health wouldn't be going down as fast and the fight would take longer. Just a guess. Anyone else tried this?<p>Message Edited by Scaraxes on <span class=date_text>02-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:42 AM</span>

[Jyste]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Erick_Stormfury wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>with a group very hard or double arrow green mob, I can solo it without a problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the key.... limit my beserk ability.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have no problems soloing green group^^ mobs, I try to get as many beserks up as possible and never try to limit it. Mob goes down quicker the more I beserk.</P> <P>No idea where you are getting your figures from for how much a mob hits you. Mobs hit you for differing amounts regardless of if or how many beserks you have up. Different mobs also hit for differing amounts, dependant on the spells they are using.<BR></P>