Greater Fury....

[Styk]

Greater Fury is still on a 3 min buff, i thought it was suppose to be 10 min as well ? per se the patch notes....Strykr Destructicus41 Berserker AB Server

[Elgusa]

Yep. Needs to be fixed.

[VonStein]

<DIV>Fury is the same way....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and if it drops.... the recast timer still starts up again.... </DIV>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> VonSteinan wrote: <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and if it drops.... the recast timer still starts up again.... <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>it's supposed to</DIV>

[FamilyManFir]

<blockquote><hr>Svanny wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>VonSteinan wrote:<DIV> </DIV><DIV>and if it drops.... the recast timer still starts up again.... <BR><HR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><DIV>it's supposed to</DIV><hr></blockquote>Really? Do you have a dev post on that? It looks more like a bug to me but I could be wrong.

[Mie]

<DIV>Disgusted. Greater Fury, Weapon Shield are Self Short Duration buffs .................</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So it suppose to be 15 mins</DIV>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FamilyManFirst wrote:<BR><BR>Really? Do you have a dev post on that? It looks more like a bug to me but I could be wrong.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>do you need a dev to post everything in the game that is working correctly?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>think about it. when you get mad, is it easy for you to stay mad? probably is, i could be mad all [FAAR-NERFED!] day. this, i think, represents being able to keep the buff up over and over. but after you get really mad for a while, you get tired, right? hence the recast time if you let it drop.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i dunno if that makes sense to you, but it makes perfect sense to me</DIV>

[Thuyk]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Svanny wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> VonSteinan wrote: <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and if it drops.... the recast timer still starts up again.... <BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>it's supposed to</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Svanny wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FamilyManFirst wrote:<BR><BR>Really? Do you have a dev post on that? It looks more like a bug to me but I could be wrong.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>do you need a dev to post everything in the game that is working correctly?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>think about it. when you get mad, is it easy for you to stay mad? probably is, i could be mad all [FAAR-NERFED!] day. this, i think, represents being able to keep the buff up over and over. but after you get really mad for a while, you get tired, right? hence the recast time if you let it drop.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i dunno if that makes sense to you, but it makes perfect sense to me</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Aww, how cute - you're playing "pretend Dev."  You have no idea if something is "supposed" to be a certain way or not.  How tired you are after having a hissy fit and how long you have to wait before your next one is completely irrelevant.  If you think everything in the game is how it is because that is how it is supposed to be, you're either a fool or completely naive.  Look at Weapon Shield: was it supposed to have the problems associated with it before the last patch?  Considering they just fixed that skill, I think not.  Do you need a dev to post on everything in the game that is NOT working correctly?  I'll admit, I never had a problem with Greater Fury dropping prematurely, nor do I find it that big of a deal to refresh it before it expires (by your logic, it's not tiring to keep having one big, long temper tantrum that never ends?).  But really, you pretending to know what the developers intend, when you have no more knowledge than the rest of us, is really quite ridiculous.  Make perfect sense?

[Styk]

Thuyker Greater Fury should be like evertthing else and the refresh timer should kick in the moment its cast not when buff drops, only concentration based skills act that way, also i think premature dropping of buff is a bug , why? because if it was ment to drop after an X amount of procs or duration of time , it would say so in spell description... Weaponshield was never mend to be an extended in duration so pls dont even ask for it , be happy with the extended timers, Tides of War, Screaming Fury and War Chant gives us more use in a group now since we can raise hp, group haste and raise atk and str now more effectly effectively.... ( no need to play eq1 bard with re-buffing ) Not just for tanking and AE dps....( Greater Fury thou should be a 10 min buff since it was including in the patch notes as one of our buffs listed for increase ) Strykr Destructicus 41 Berserker AB Server

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thuyker wrote:<BR><BR> Aww, how cute - you're playing "pretend Dev."  You have no idea if something is "supposed" to be a certain way or not.  How tired you are after having a hissy fit and how long you have to wait before your next one is completely irrelevant.  If you think everything in the game is how it is because that is how it is supposed to be, you're either a fool or completely naive.  Look at Weapon Shield: was it supposed to have the problems associated with it before the last patch?  Considering they just fixed that skill, I think not.  Do you need a dev to post on everything in the game that is NOT working correctly?  I'll admit, I never had a problem with Greater Fury dropping prematurely, nor do I find it that big of a deal to refresh it before it expires (by your logic, it's not tiring to keep having one big, long temper tantrum that never ends?).  But really, you pretending to know what the developers intend, when you have no more knowledge than the rest of us, is really quite ridiculous.  Make perfect sense?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>i never said everything in the game is how it's supposed to be, so dont say i did.</P> <P>why the hell are you so sure that it's not working as intended? because its timer is unusual? because it's different than the way you think it should be? look at weaponshield, it's on the same [FAAR-NERFED!] kind of timer. coincidence? probably not.</P> <P><BR>im not a dev, and i know im not. but it's usually not hard to look at something and figure out if it's working right or not...</P>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>weapon shield is a concentration buff, greater fury is not, and yes you did say thats how its supposed to work...</DIV>

[FamilyManFir]

Now, now, Thuyker, no need to be rude.However, Svanny, when I see something that I think is a bug and you assert that it's working as intended, when neither of us is privy to the developers' plans, then yes, I need a dev post. As Tyr'Fel wrote, this is the behavior of a concentration-using Art, not a simple buff-type Art.

[Svan]

<DIV>it's the same in that it has a long recast time if you let it drop, but you can keep it going for as long as you want by refreshing it before it drops. the 2 skills are totally different in what they do, but they have that same characteristic. which points to it not being a bug for fury/greater fury.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yes, i did say that was how it's supposed to work. but i did not say that everything in the game is working as intended, as Thuyker said i did.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Svanny on <span class=date_text>02-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:59 PM</span>

[CherobylJ]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Svanny wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FamilyManFirst wrote:<BR><BR>Really? Do you have a dev post on that? It looks more like a bug to me but I could be wrong.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>do you need a dev to post everything in the game that is working correctly?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>think about it. when you get mad, is it easy for you to stay mad? probably is, i could be mad all [FAAR-NERFED!] day. this, i think, represents being able to keep the buff up over and over. but after you get really mad for a while, you get tired, right? hence the recast time if you let it drop.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i dunno if that makes sense to you, but it makes perfect sense to me</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It makes sense but applying real world mechanics to a fantasy world just is wrife with pitfalls (people can mine ore while on a horse in an open field? I buy an item but then cant resell it? etc all).  I'm hesistant to EVER use that a premise for rationalizing why things work the way they do.</P> <P>The only logical context we have is comparing it against the consistent framework of the game world mechnics; e.g. it behaves like a bug based on the behaviour of similar self buff spells, hence in the opinion of most folks here it IS a bug.</P> <P>Your orginal response didnt reflect an opinion (e.g. "I believe")  but was stated as a fact; hence people are calling you to corroborate it.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CherobylJoe wrote: <P>The only logical context we have is comparing it against the consistent framework of the game world mechnics; e.g. it behaves like a bug based on the behaviour of similar self buff spells, hence in the opinion of most folks here it IS a bug.</P> <HR> <P>weaponshield and fury are not similar skills, they're almost totally different, except for having the same duration and rebuffing behavior. the chances that these 2 totally different skills are being affected by the same bug are pretty slim. on top of that, it's been like that since realease, as far as i know. and neither have them have had any attempt on them to fix that part of the buff, while several of our other skills are being or have been fixed.</P> <P>they even just fixed the conc taken by weaponshield, and the reuse and duration are exactly the same as they were before. woulda been a prime time to fix it then, but it's the same. yes, i know, weaponshield uses conc and not power, but that doesnt mean that they cant have the same reuse characteristics and be working as intended.</P> <HR> Your orginal response didnt reflect an opinion (e.g. "I believe")  but was stated as a fact; hence people are calling you to corroborate it.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV>yeah that was probably not the best choice of words for me to use.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Styk]

Svanny you have to put a concentration slot on Greater Fury then if its not suppose to refresh till after buff is faded or turned off.... since it isnt , its bugged atm IMO ... unless i see a dev post saying thats how its suppose to work , im assuming its a bug ...Please fix Greater Fury ... its suppose to be a 10 min buff and it isnt refreshing right....Strykr Destructicus 41 Berserker

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Styker wrote:<BR>Svanny you have to put a concentration slot on Greater Fury then if its not suppose to refresh till after buff is faded or turned off.... <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>i dont quite understand what you're saying there</DIV>