will they increase the number of procs we get with fury with the longer timers?

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>I hope so otherwise its totally moot</DIV>

[Svan]

<DIV>first of all, Fury doesnt look like it's getting the duration increased. Greater Fury is, but that just could be one of the things that makes it "Greater".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>second, im pretty sure Fury is just a % chance to work, and can work any number of times before it fades or is refreshed.</DIV>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>its been documentend that furious counter fades after a certain number of procs, and I can get fury to drop in 30 seconds by getting mauled by a flock of deer</DIV>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> Tyr'fel wrote:</P> <DIV>its been documentend that furious counter fades after a certain number of procs, and I can get fury to drop in 30 seconds by getting mauled by a flock of deer<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>then.. dont get mauled by a flock of deer?</DIV>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>berzerkers shine against large groups... its what we do...</DIV>

[Svan]

<DIV>well duh.. but you dont exactly go fighting groups of 10-15 mobs every day...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>wanting an upgrade to a skill that's fine the way it is because you can get it to drop in 30 seconds against an encounter that you rarely, if ever, fight is pretty dumb. if you dont like it dropping early, dont hunt huge encounters like flocks of deer. it's that easy.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Svanny on <span class=date_text>02-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:09 AM</span>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>groups if 4 are hardly rare</DIV>

[Svan]

<DIV>you were talking about fury dropping to flocks of deer, an encounter with 10-15 mobs.</DIV>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>not in zek its not</DIV>

[Svan]

<DIV>4 is hardly a flock... but anyway, you must have some uber master version if it's going off enough to be dropping to 4 mobs in 30 seconds.</DIV>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>nope, adept 1, but since its already at its maximum effectiveness, have you tried it?</DIV> <DIV>if you are the only one doing damage it will drop before you kill the first deer</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tyr'fel on <span class=date_text>02-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:52 PM</span>

[Svan]

<DIV>then get some dps?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>have never noticed fury dropping without me letting it drop, even when duoing.</DIV>

[Huna]

if it drops before it should, it's bugged. Why are you arguing? I've had fury drop early when I was soloing. If something is bugged, it should be fixed, not worked around.

[Svan]

<DIV>i know this may come as a shock... but some things are the way they are because they're supposed to be like that.</DIV>

[Adewale]

Never had Fury or Greater Fury drop for me either.

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>try fighting a group of FAST hitting mobs like deer in zek</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>TRY it don't just assume</DIV>

[Svan]

<DIV>i dont really care if you can get it to drop in 30 seconds to some deer. nobody is forcing you to hunt those deer all the [FAAR-NERFED!] time. quit trying to justify this on something that is not the norm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>there are more important things that need fixing than a skill that you can get to drop early because you dont want to get some more dps.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Svanny on <span class=date_text>02-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:04 PM</span>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>kill two orange solo mobs back to back without rebuffing and fury will drop</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>what is with you and "get more DPS" I like to duo with a friend of mine, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if they increase the timer to 15 minutes and not up the procs you will notice because it will it will definatly drop when soloing or grouping, which is extremely annoying on a skill whose recast time resets when it drops</DIV>

[Mirfette]

<DIV>If fury/greater fury expires after a certain number of activations, then this is cause for concern indeed. Not only is a 3min timer annoying in and of itself, but the (stupidly long) recast delay resetting after the buff expires just adds to it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I wish the dev's would address problems like these that affect every player who plays this subclass and which have been espoused time and again on these boards rather than addressing the anecdotal complaints against what the tiny percentage of berserkers at the highest level with the best equipment are capable of.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I feel if any dev/tester actually played a berserker would be inclined to address issues such as this that go some way towards ruining whatever enjoyment players may have when playing this class. One can thus draw the inference that no one with real clout does and we're sidelined because they're either busy playing other classes or WoW.</DIV>

[Adewale]

"try fighting a group of FAST hitting mobs like deer in zek TRY it don't just assume"Duh. I've fought these same mobs and have not had it drop, bud. I've fought that pack of 8-9 bees in RV and it's stayed up and those have been yellow/orange to me.

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tyr'fel wrote:<BR> <DIV>kill two orange solo mobs back to back without rebuffing and fury will drop</DIV> <DIV> <HR>  </DIV> <DIV>why would i do that when i could just refresh fury after the first mob and have no problems at all?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>what is with you and "get more DPS" I like to duo with a friend of mine, </DIV> <HR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ya ever wonder that maybe the problem is that you're killing group con mobs without a group?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>if they increase the timer to 15 minutes and not up the procs you will notice because it will it will definatly drop when soloing or grouping, which is extremely annoying on a skill whose recast time resets when it drops<BR></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>well it currently doesnt have a boost, so dont worry.<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>greater fury and furious counter do, and furious counter apparently drops very fast because it procs every time</DIV>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tyr'fel wrote:<BR> <DIV>greater fury and furious counter do, and furious counter apparently drops very fast because it procs every time</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> well it'd be kinda dumb if it didnt drop fast if it procs every time. the dps from that goin for 10 minutes would be hugely imbalanced.

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>well rampage is totatly useless why not make our other level 50 skills worthless too?</DIV>

[Svan]

<DIV>what the hell do you want? god mode?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but, i thought this was a thread on the # of fury procs and its duration, not a complain about how worthless our lvl 50 skills are thread.</DIV>

[Styk]

Rampage reuse is too long ( nerfed down to 1 hour ) and i have a feeling it will be reset as more berserkers hit 50, but Greater Fury needs to be fixed since its duration was suppose to be 10 min and its still a 3 min buff

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>and you(svanny) have still yet to even attemp a situation that would cause it to drop, you seem to only argue that its not necesary to be in situations where it would drop, but necesary or not it should not run out of procs in the time limit if there is no mention of there being a max.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>POINT IS, If I want to duo with a friend I shouldn't have to worry aboubt class defining buffs just vanishing for no good reason and thats all there is to it</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tyr'fel on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:55 PM</span>

[Svan]

<DIV>i have been in many fights with fast hitting or a large number of mobs, and still i have not noticed it drop without me letting it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>that cap is probably there to keep people from getting more use out of it against fast hitting mobs than slow hitting mobs. making all the mobs just as desireable for that skill.</DIV>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>the key word in your whole post was "noticed"</DIV>

[Adewale]

No, it's not. Mine always, always, always stays up no matter how many or how few mobs I fight. Maybe you are just [FAAR-NERFED!]ing bugged, I don't know. All I know is Fury and Greater Fury stay up for the entire three minutes all the time.

[Svan]

<DIV>yeah, so if it does happen, it's not enough to really matter.</DIV>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>perhaps you haven't got this through your head yet, BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME PLAYSTYLE</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>me for instance I hate large groups, and wether you want to admit or not it is rediculously easy to get to drop, and buff duration should not depend on playstyle</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and when I was leveling from 32-35 EVERY SINGLE ENCOUNTER it would drop, wether it be deer, shadowmen, or bears, it would drop, and everysingle encounter seems like a noticeable amount to me</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tyr'fel on <span class=date_text>02-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:25 PM</span>

[Svan]

<DIV>i've played in large groups and small groups against solo mobs, group mobs, and named mobs. i have also soloed solo mobs, group mobs, and named mobs. i've duoed all those kinds of mobs too, and i have never ever seen it drop.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i come and read this board, and several others, every day, and you're the first one i've seen anywhere that has said it's easy to get to drop. or has even complained about having it drop early enough to cause them any displeasure with the skill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if you have some real proof that your fury was dropping every single encounter, then post it and ill shut up.</DIV>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>go get a non warding healer, and take down a group of atleast 4 mobs that are atleast 2 levels over you</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>buffs dropping don't show up in logs, and I don't have the webhosting to post a video</DIV>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>oh and just so you know I am not the only one experiencing this... just one of the few NOTICING this</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=3698&highlight=unbridled+fury#M3698" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=3698&highlight=unbridled+fury#M3698</A></DIV>

[Svan]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P></P> <HR> Tyr'fel wrote: <P></P> <P>go get a non warding healer, and take down a group of atleast 4 mobs that are atleast 2 levels over you</P> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>done this several times, never saw it drop.<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tyr'fel wrote:<BR> <DIV>oh and just so you know I am not the only one experiencing this... just one of the few NOTICING this</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=3698&highlight=unbridled+fury#M3698" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=3698&highlight=unbridled+fury#M3698</A></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P>k... so that's, 2 people? out of how many zerkers?</P>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>so you haven't noticed, so why the hell do you care to argue with me then, just for fun, if there is a limited number of procs and what harm would getting it fixed do to you? why are you so forcefully opposed to the idea just because you haven't noticed it? you just argueing just for the sake of it</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and your only kidding yourself if you think all berzerkers post on the forums</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tyr'fel on <span class=date_text>02-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:27 PM</span>

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tyr'fel wrote:<BR> <DIV>so you haven't noticed, so why the hell do you care to argue with me then, just for fun, if there is a limited number of procs and what harm would getting it fixed do to you? why are you so forcefully opposed to the idea just because you haven't noticed it? you just argueing just for the sake of it</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>well actually yeah im doing it mostly for fun now, it became entertaining by the 2nd page. you're just so [FAAR-NERFED!] set on it being a bug, it's amazing.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <HR>  and your only kidding yourself if you think all berzerkers post on the forums</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>cause i totally said that...<BR>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>"k... so that's, 2 people? out of how many zerkers?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and the title of the thread was *drum roll*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>will they increase the number of procs we get with fury with the longer timers?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>care to tell me where I called it a bug?</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text>I have been saying there was a maximum number of procs so increasing the timer would be a moot point</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Tyr'fel on <span class=date_text>02-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:25 PM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>Fury and Greater Fury never had limited number of proc's to start with, here let me explain :</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><U>Fury Adept I :</U></STRONG></DIV> <UL> <LI>Casts Reckless Counter on target. When target is struck this spell has a 32% chance to :</LI> <LI>Inflict 99-166 melee damage on target.</LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U>Greater Fury Adept III :</U></STRONG></P> <UL> <LI>Casts Reckless Counter on target. When target is struck this spell has a 35% chance to :</LI> <LI>Inflict 127-212 damage on target.</LI></UL> <P><STRONG><U>Intervene App IV :</U></STRONG></P> <UL> <LI>50% chance to intercept damage on target. On a successful intercept caster take's 75% of the attack damage, target take's 60% of attack damage.</LI> <LI>Spell end's after 20 successful intercept's.</LI></UL> <P> </P> <P>Now as you can see in there, it say's no where about them only absorbing a certain amount of hit's and then ending before the timer is up like it say's for Intervene. If there were a certain amount of proc's, it would state it.</P> <P>I myself have fought group mob's of like 10-15 mob's per group and this has not once ever, <STRONG><U>EVER</U></STRONG> worn off due to too many proc's, it's still been there until the timer run's out and it start's to blink.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 39th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</P>

[Adewale]

Face it Tyr'fel, you're either bugged or a [Removed for Content]. The spell simply does not drop after X amount of procs.

[Svan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tyr'fel wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and the title of the thread was *drum roll*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>will they increase the number of procs we get with fury with the longer timers?</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> well the timers didnt get a boost, so your whole thread is moot.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <HR>  care to tell me where I called it a bug?<SPAN class=time_text> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>care to tell me where a lot of the things you said that i said that i really didnt are?</SPAN><BR></P>

[Tyr'f]

<DIV>well then I am bugged because I have watched the icon disapear and the timer reset while all my other buffs weren't even halfway through(pre timer increase) so many times, It got to the point where I would try to guess when to recast fury before it dropped, which most of the time the first recast timer was still counting so I couldn't</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and I doubt that deer lions and bears have any sort of dispell...</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tyr'fel on <span class=date_text>02-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:07 PM</span>

[Svan]

<DIV>seems kinda weird that only you and that lvl50 guy from a month and a half ago are experiencing these things.. oh well</DIV>