We really need Weapon Shield looked at plz SoE.

[-Aonein-]

<DIV> <DIV>The skill itself would be 100% more useful if it was to be made a 1 concentration, 3 min buff, atm i have Adept I and it requires 3 concentration, and last's 3 min's, then if you let the buff run out, you have to wait 30 seconds to reuse it, and if you want to refresh it, you have to remove it, which make's you wait 30 seconds anyway. So ethier way you look at it, you have to wait to reuse it, and the fact it takes up 3 concentration for a 3 min buff doesnt make this skill even on the " use " list, which is a pity cause its a great skill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is one good thing about Weapon Sheild though, when used in conjuction with Stifled Rage and our Offensive buff's, it's a better combination to have then Reckless Stance and our Offensive buff's, but the reuse timer's and concentration point's on Weapon Sheild just make it too hard to manage, especially in the heat of battle. Stifled rage doesnt stack with Reckless Stance, so the only time I would use Stifled Rage is if i could use Weapon Shield. Of course i hear you thinking that in doing this, this will make Reckless Stance a non viable skill, but not 100% ture, there are still the people who hate to press button's constantly every 3 min's for a <STRONG>" different "</STRONG> style of game play, and will opt for the easy road and take a small decrease to offensive abilitys for the 12 hour timer which is basically a low maintence type of way at tanking. Some people just dont like to press so many button's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please look at making this Skill use 1 Concentration point, let us refresh the Skill by clicking it and it over ride's the old timer so we dont have to disable the skill and stand there and hold the group up for 30 second's, just like Focus Rage, and just leave the timer on a 3 min timer, there is nothing wrong with the timer duration wise, just the amout of concentration point's it use's and the way we have to go about reusing it. I would gladly click this buff every 3 min's if it was viable to do so, but atm, with the way it is, i dont think anyone use's it. :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taemek Frozenberg 36th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Co-Leader of Justice Bringers<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</DIV></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>02-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:36 AM</span>

[VonStein]

<DIV>Hmmm... this takes both concentration slots, and wears off???</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think thats a bug.... I don't know of any other Art that takes concentration, and then wears off.... the concentration slots are so you don't have to keep throwing it...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I'm only in me 20's.....</DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>either make it 1 concentration, or make it a long duration buff to replace soldier's stance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>simple solutions. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't even use it because i have adept 3 soldier's stance, and i already have like 4 buffs i use for almost every fight because they're all 3 min buffs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>get real SOE... do we REALLY need an entire hotbar devoted to 3 min buffs?</DIV>

[Styk]

Tox Recklace Stance is the upgrade to Soldiers Stance just in case you didnt know <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[kille]

<DIV>Yeah, but cast each stance and see which one gives you the higher AC....</DIV>

[NoSympathy_FU]

Indeed I barelly used this skill and it quickly went out of the hotbar, why even bother with it? I too though the Concentration slots where there so we dont have to recast it all the time so it may be a bug.The way I see it, like Aonein said, either lower concentration so it can stack with soldier stance. Or remove the concentration all togheter and lower the bonuses it gives by a tad so we can use it with Soldier Stance and Stiffled Rage or dont lower the bonuses and dont make it stack with Stiffled Rage or well... something. But yeah I guess add this to the list of skills that Soe will need to investigate and tweak/fix.

[Davish_Darkwolf]

<DIV>If they dont want  Reckless or Soldiers Stance to stack with Weapon Shield, if they want the skill to use 3 concentration bars, then just make the skill last for a long time (like Reckless or Soldiers Stance).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Problem is, if they do..... Reckless Stance becomes quite useless......  so i bet they will lean towards the skill not taking up any</DIV> <DIV>concentration bars and maybe (just maybe) stack with your current stance.</DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>Styker, no it is not the upgrade. it is a completely different skill. It is the OPPOSITE of Soldier's stance. Only a [Removed for Content] would use reckless stance while tanking. Use Soldier's stance or weaponshield. If you can remember to click weaponshield every other fight.</DIV>

[tfbo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toxaur wrote:<BR> <DIV>Styker, no it is not the upgrade. it is a completely different skill. It is the OPPOSITE of Soldier's stance. Only a [Removed for Content] would use reckless stance while tanking. Use Soldier's stance or weaponshield. If you can remember to click weaponshield every other fight.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Do you mind expanding on this statement? I don't see much of a problem using Reckless Stance.</FONT></DIV>

[Thuyk]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toxaur wrote:<BR> <DIV>Styker, no it is not the upgrade. it is a completely different skill. It is the OPPOSITE of Soldier's stance. Only a [Removed for Content] would use reckless stance while tanking. Use Soldier's stance or weaponshield. If you can remember to click weaponshield every other fight.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Do you have any idea what you're talking about?  How is Reckless Stance the "opposite" of Soldier's Stance, if they both increase defense at the cost of some offense?  I'll admit the name of the skill, "Reckless Stance" implies that you'd be sacrificing defense for offense, but if you'd actually read the description or actually use the skill, you'd see that it is certainly not the opposite of Soldier's Stance.  </DIV>

[Styk]

Toxaur before you call someone a [Removed for Content] read the [FaarNerfed!] description of the skill IDIOT.... it does the EXACT same thing as soldiers stance but more..... IDIOT

[Oldlore]

<DIV>From what I've heard reckless stance doesnt add more to AC than soldier's stance, so it's a poor upgrade.  Of course lots of classes have this problem, where the upgrade is worse than the spell it's replacing :p</DIV>

[Thuyk]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oldlore wrote:<BR> <DIV>From what I've heard reckless stance doesnt add more to AC than soldier's stance, so it's a poor upgrade.  Of course lots of classes have this problem, where the upgrade is worse than the spell it's replacing :p</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>At level 41, with both skills at Adept 1:</P> <P>Soldier's Stance increases my AC by 42, and reduces attack by 8.</P> <P>Reckless Stance increases my AC by 48, and reduces attack by 5.</P> <P>The only thing I'm not quite certain about is how parry is taken into account.  Isn't AC supposed to reflect that skill now as well?  Soldier's Stance increases Parry by 5, while Reckless Stance does not.  Whether this is taken into account with the final AC number or not, I'm not sure.</P>

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>Soilder's Stance also lower's your offensive skill's more then Reckless Stance does.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Soilder's Stance and Reckless Stance work fine, its Weapon Shield that serious need's tuning, let's try not to fall of the rail's here and stay on subject of Weapon Shield please guy's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taemek Frozenberg 37th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Co-Leader of Justice Bringers<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</DIV>

[Grisha]

<DIV>All it needs, like all the short duration bard concentration buffs, is for it to overwrite itself.  Problem solved.  Then (like bards) you'd be making a decision based on the usefulness of the skill vs its concentration cost, not the fact that it's unwieldy to use.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This must surely be a bug.</DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>I would use this skill in its present state if it would simply do just that, over write itself when the timer was almost out, instead of being trapped into waiting 30 seconds to refresh it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taemek Frozenberg 37th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</DIV><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>02-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 PM</span>

[CherobylJ]

<DIV>I think I agree with Aon, although it seems odd that a 3 slot concentration skill last 3 mins I could live with the lack of refresh.  But heck I cant even get this skill to fire (App 4) so the question is moot.</DIV>

[Cheasl]

<DIV>Agreed....the 3 min timer on a 3 concentration buff is unacceptable.  All 3 min buff should be 0 concentration, IMO...due to the fact that it's nearly impossible to Tank, hold aggro, manage power, communicate with your groupmates, advance Heroic Ops and keep up a 3 minute buff.</DIV>

[EnigmaticCipher]

<DIV>The app. IV of the spell doesn't even work.  No icon, no stat. increase.  No concentration use.  Absolutely 100% no change.</DIV>

[Jher]

Just a little push to get this fixed...At App4 this skill still does not work for me at all, though to be honest I questioned its use before then anyway, as the concentration/timer issues are ridiculous.Either:Make it cost 0 or 1 concentration, and keep the 3 minute duration, but allow it to be refreshed.Or:Keep the high concentration cost and make it a long term buff (6-12 hrs).

[Chog]

<DIV>Would weapon shield over power the defense of a Berserker if it could stack with our defense stances?  Soldier Stance + Weapon Shield would almost increase our parry skill by 3 levels, even more if both are mastered / adet 3.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would love to use weapon shield; however, in its current state I never have this skill up.  Lower the amount Parry is raised, change the concentration from 3 to 1, and increase the duration on the buff to 6-12 hours.</DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>That's what im hoping they will do Chogar, as it stand's now, we have one Concentration point left over if you use Focus Rage and Reckless Stance, we have only one ability compared to all other class's that use 1 concentration point, i think but im not sure, but every other class out there get's a few skill's or spell's that use's at least 1 concentration point giving them a wider choice of what they will spend there Concentration points on, we basically have 2, which we dont decide cause its all we got and they both fit in our concentration slot's, making us have no choice what so ever.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is only four way's to look at it :</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>1)</STRONG> They make Weapon Shield on a 6 hour timer, same as Focus Rage and use 1 Concentration slot so we can fill the final slot we always have left over, reguardless of which direction you go or take, you will alway's have one slot left over.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>2)</STRONG> They make Weapon Shield on a 3 min timer no concentration required and make it a standard buff that can over write itself every 3 min's like Greater Fury.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>3)</STRONG> They leave Weapon Shield on a 3 min timer, but reduce the concentration point's used to 1 and make it so we can over ride the spell to refresh it for another 3 min's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>4)</STRONG> They leave Weapon Shield to use 3 concentration point's, but make it a 6-12 hour buff timer giving us a bigger choice ( well at least a second choice ) on how we will go about using our concentration point's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is no doubt that Weapon Shield along with Stfiled Rage is a better way about going into a tanking role but Stifled Rage wont stack with Soilder's or Reckless Stance.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alot of people dont like to click so many button's and will take Reckless Stance for a easier way at tanking, even for a very minimal decrease in offensive abilitie's, I on the other hand am a stat's person and hate decreasing any stat's if i dont have too and will press what i need to press in order to do that, which is why a choice should be there for us to chose instead of just Reckless Stance and Focus Rage being the only 2 concentration slot using abilitie's that we alway's use. I would how ever, use Weapon Shield if it used 1 concentration point and take the decrease in Reckless Stance cause it would make up for it in Parry skill.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One last thing, can anyone over lvl 44 please post here and let us know if the same problem exsist's with Weapon Guard which is the upgrade to Weapon Shield, or is it working as intended and how does it work, for example, how many concentration point's does it use and what timer is it on please.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taemek Frozenberg 37th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>02-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:48 PM</span>

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>Ok Weapon Shield is now working and stack's with Reckless Stance and Focus Rage, so now im just wondering, is it suppose to be a 3 min buff still ? Cause im not sure, but it seem's all spell's that use 3 Concentration point's last for 12 hour's, spell's that use 1 concentration point last for 6 hour's, so im wondering where does Weapon Shield stand in here, is it staying a 3 min buff, moving to a 15 min buff, or are we going to be able to get 6 hour's worth for 1 concentration point like all the other's?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We still can't overide the spell to refresh it, and have to ethier wait for it to run it's course, or remove it to refresh it, but doing so cost's a 30 second pause reguardless of which way you go about it, is this intended?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I personally feel that since it use's a concentration point, we should at least get the skill for 6 hour's, just like all the rest of the 1 concentration spell's, and yes im gratefull the spell work's now, but seem's pretty unbalanced to have a buff that use's concentration to only be on a 3 min or 15 min timer, even though our other self buff's are on a 15 timer ( when they fix it ), but dont use no concentration point's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taemek Frozenberg 39th Berserker<BR>16th Outfitter<BR>Blood and Ice<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server</DIV><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>02-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:40 PM</span>

[Kannab]

<P>Yay ! tested it out yesterday and tis working taking up only one concentration slot.  However, tis still short duration.</P> <P> <HR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I personally feel that since it use's a concentration point, we should at least get the skill for 6 hour's, just like all the rest of the 1 concentration spell's, and yes im gratefull the spell work's now, but seem's pretty unbalanced to have a buff that use's concentration to only be on a 3 min or 15 min timer, even though our other self buff's are on a 15 timer ( when they fix it ), but dont use no concentration point's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <SPAN class=date_text>02-18-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:40 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I agree completly.<BR> <p>Message Edited by Kannabis on <span class=date_text>02-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:43 AM</span>

[snapgor]

<DIV>This skill should not have a spell duration. It should be 1 concentration and should be up like the defensive concentrations and focus rage.</DIV>

[Dashel]

Agree, please make this long duration, 1 conc slot. I actually use it now, but the 3 minutes thing is just not right.

[Svan]

<DIV>you have to refresh fury at about the same time too, so just put your weaponshield button next to your fury button and you hardly have to worry about it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>what they really need to fix is refreshing it with full conc</DIV>

[Snaggletoo]

<DIV>I have just tested out the numbers on this one. The parry buff on soldiers stance does not stack with the parry buff of weapon shield. Therefore the best combination would seem to be reckless stance with weapon shield. However you still have to remember keep weapon shield up, and put up with the 30 seconds enforced gap. I would like to see weapon shield last for 6hrs personally, if this is what all other classes get for their 1conc slot abilities. Or at least let us overwrite it like fury.</DIV>

[Gartague]

Finally fixed, i am really glad of the change, 1 consentration buff is ok.Even if 3 min is short on time, i use it like i use Havoc/anarchy , to avoid dmg at inc on big encounter.Thx SoE for this chance.