Lets put to rest the gimped argue ment fellow zerkers

[Styk]

Ok lets put the topic to rest now......23-36 Zerkers will have some struggle thru those level due to the inconsistancy now of Blood Lust , that we know..... 37 you get Tides of War which should help that out alot.... Focused Rage is your friend.... It works very well now, also use Viscious Blow and Maul when you get it alot.... huge agro getters ( and at 30 train the upgrade to enrage , it is very nice ) for our 40+ skills..... I think the offense vs defense problems will be fixed if you fix one major thing SoE..... remove that componant of needing to be berserk mode in some of our spells that we gain in these lvl ranges since getting into a berserk state cannot be done on a regular basis ( meaning we cant go berserk when we want to ) that really should fix our offense gain vs defense loss arguement we have with guardians.....Lots of people were #$#$ off about the fix to zerkers and we had it comming.... Yall might not like it and i didnt as well but we are TANKS with a marginal offense increase vs Guardians.... Now to make us fully effective fix ALL of our skills.... Do that and i bet berserkers will rock once again ..... We are still agro kings..... Just gotta work at it a little more now.Strkyr Destructicus31 Berserker AB Server

[Odissi]

<DIV>Saying that doesn't help at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Berserkers are meant to be DAMAGE DEALERS and NOT TANKS!!!!!</DIV><p>Message Edited by Odissius on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:33 PM</span>

[Sinkat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Odissius wrote:<BR> <DIV>Saying that doesn't help at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Berserkers are meant to be DAMAGE DEALERS and NOT TANKS!!!!!</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Odissius on <SPAN class=date_text>01-14-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:33 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes its true.<BR>The thing is I hope that the messege of the thread "Lets put to rest the gimped argue ment fellow zerkers" shows some peace in the Berzerker sub-class so there isint so much discussion about it with no final point of it.</P> <P>PEACE YOUNG BERZERKERS :p</P> <P>Good Luck!<BR></P> <DIV> </DIV></FONT>

[Megdi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Odissius wrote:<BR> <DIV>Saying that doesn't help at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Berserkers are meant to be DAMAGE DEALERS and NOT TANKS!!!!!</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Odissius on <SPAN class=date_text>01-14-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:33 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I think you're confusing Berserkers from EQ1 with Berserkers from EQ2. We are in fact tanks, but we're offensive tanks. Guardians are defensive tanks. Either way, we're tanks and if you don't like, then quit [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing and create a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] monk or assassin.</P> <P>If we weren't tanks, we wouldn't evolve from the Warrior line of Fighter.</P> <P>I think way too many people are playing berserkers based on what they could do in EQLive. The classes aren't the same, get over it.</P> <P> </P>

[Sinkat]

<DIV>Well I dont know how Berzerkers are in EQ1 but its true that they are a kind of offensive tank, bacause they are more of a damage type of warrior that come from the orignis of a tank, and also has some defensive skills that keep them in sort of way as a tank but not totaly a tank as a Guardian..</DIV> <DIV>Well but lets play the way we think it is and maybe everybody will start to learn more about there own class. Cheers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good Luck!</DIV>

[Odissi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Megdian wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Odissius wrote:<BR> <DIV>Saying that doesn't help at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Berserkers are meant to be DAMAGE DEALERS and NOT TANKS!!!!!</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Odissius on <SPAN class=date_text>01-14-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:33 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I think you're confusing Berserkers from EQ1 with Berserkers from EQ2. We are in fact tanks, but we're offensive tanks. Guardians are defensive tanks. Either way, we're tanks and if you don't like, then quit [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing and create a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] monk or assassin.</P> <P>If we weren't tanks, we wouldn't evolve from the Warrior line of Fighter.</P> <P>I think way too many people are playing berserkers based on what they could do in EQLive. The classes aren't the same, get over it.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I know nothing about EQ1.</P> <P>And I am going off the definition of berserker. Berserkers are ones who wreak massive havoc and don't care about their own well-being.<BR></P>

[Styk]

Odissius no offense but look at what tree we came from ..... Fighter/Warrior........ = TANKS clean cut .... Now we are more offense oriented but nevertheless it comes down to it we are a TANK CLASSLearning to accept that will go along way into truly knowing your class.... We need to get our skills down and fixed.... Thats all im sayingStrykr Destructicus32 Berserker AB Server

[Styk]

Oh and in EQ1 Berserkers were a sorry excuse for a marketing ploy for GoD expansion.... I know how well berserkers were in eq1 , ( i had one of the first 65 zerkers on FV server ) they were agro on demand but couldnt tank for squat with sub par dps.... Hopefully SoE wont screw us over totally again

[Sinkat]

<DIV>Well if there is something to fix in the Berzerkers, hope they do but for now at least there not gonna do anything so I guess its better to try them out how they are, and hope everybody has fun even if they are [Removed for Content] with some nerf.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good Luck!</DIV>

[Kaberu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Odissius wrote:<BR><BR> <P>I know nothing about EQ1.</P> <P>And I am going off the definition of berserker. Berserkers are ones who wreak massive havoc and don't care about their own well-being.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Definition of Berserker: One of a band of ancient Norse warriors legendary for their savagery and reckless frenzy in battle.</P> <P>That was straight from dictionary.com...</P> <P>Merriam-Webster.com has this to say: <STRONG>1</STRONG> <B>:</B> an ancient Scandinavian warrior frenzied in battle and held to be invulnerable<BR><B>2</B> <B>:</B> one whose actions are recklessly defiant </P> <P>Savage, frenzied, reckless... it doesn't imply tank or DPS per se but to say a Berserker is not a tank? Well Merriam-Webster seems to imply it: "... held to be invulnerable"</P> <P>I dunno, but that sounds more tank-like than not. I think people confuse what they read in books and what they see in movies or on TV with "definition". Historically, Berserkers would scream and yell and attack with violent abandon... some would even cut themselves to drive themselves into a rage (sorta like the zone, as in "in the zone"). I'm not entirely sure but I'd be focused on the guy doing that in a fight so I guess you could say he's "taunting" or at the very least, "holding aggro."</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Kaberu on <span class=date_text>01-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:00 AM</span>

[Vanes]

<DIV>There are tons of posts on this forum from high level Berserkers on how they are still able to do incredible damage on par with monks and scouts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moorgards post makes me simply to sure that more nerfs are coming, aimed at the high level Bersekers to continue leveling up.   If DPS for Berserkers was considered to be to high, then why would SOE only put into effect changes that effect the mid level range when higher level Berserkers do even more dps?   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I see more nerfs coming, it's how SOE operates.   Thats why my Berserker is on the shelf for the time being till I feel the matter is settled.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Which knowing SOE is anywhere from 6 months to 2 years away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>Vanessa</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nessa ~ 28th Berserker </DIV> <DIV>Neriak</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Valeriana ~ 20th Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Neriak</DIV>

[Hawkw]

<DIV>So I am supposed to feel good about being gimped for over a dozen levels??!!??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yesterday I grouped with a lvl 21 monk (I am a lvl 26 zerker) and I could not hold agro because he outdamaged me. Even with Hold the Line, spamming HOs with Maul and taunt, as well as sunder, I could not hold agro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just what am I supposed to feel good about?</DIV>

[Thuyk]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hawkwin wrote:<BR> <DIV>So I am supposed to feel good about being gimped for over a dozen levels??!!??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yesterday I grouped with a lvl 21 monk (I am a lvl 26 zerker) and I could not hold agro because he outdamaged me. Even with Hold the Line, <STRONG>spamming HOs with Maul and taunt, as well as sunder, I could not hold agro</STRONG>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just what am I supposed to feel good about?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>No offense, but that isn't the way to hold aggro...you're going to want to use things like Enrage and group buffs, such as Battle Chant, Tactics, Havoc, etc.  Yeah, it is no longer as easy as just flipping on Bloodlust and then focusing on dealing damage anymore, but a Berserker should really have no problem holding aggro at all.</DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vanessa wrote:<BR> <DIV>There are tons of posts on this forum from high level Berserkers on how they are still able to do incredible damage on par with monks and scouts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moorgards post makes me simply to sure that more nerfs are coming, aimed at the high level Bersekers to continue leveling up.   If DPS for Berserkers was considered to be to high, then why would SOE only put into effect changes that effect the mid level range when higher level Berserkers do even more dps?   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I see more nerfs coming, it's how SOE operates.   Thats why my Berserker is on the shelf for the time being till I feel the matter is settled.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Which knowing SOE is anywhere from 6 months to 2 years away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>Vanessa</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nessa ~ 28th Berserker </DIV> <DIV>Neriak</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Valeriana ~ 20th Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Neriak</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Moorgards post dont say anything about more nerfs to Berserker's or any class for that matter, just because its posted here on the Berserker forums doesnt mean its intended for us ethier, he could mean that any class will be looked at and adjusted, just as he stated, adjusted. So who know's monks might get a nerf coming, mystics might have there wards adjusted to acually mitigate damage instead of taking full damage, who knows.</P> <P>Moorgards posts were just to make it clear that we wont be the ONLY class to be adjusted.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 32nd Berserker<BR>10 Outfitter<BR>Leader of Justice Bringers<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Aonein Amillion 26th Monk ( retired )<BR>17th outfitter<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server<BR><BR>"We are the two halves of the Flowing Circle, the light and the dark. If either grows too weak or too strong, the circle collapses on itself. Here, I will draw a Flowing Circle in the sand for you. Meditate upon the dual nature of our order and ourselves as you practice Kitten Swims Upstream. Perhaps, if you learn something from your meditations, Brother Tenshin will teach the kitten to become a tiger."</P>

[jasonqdavis]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> -Aonein- wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vanessa wrote:<BR> <DIV>There are tons of posts on this forum from high level Berserkers on how they are still able to do incredible damage on par with monks and scouts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moorgards post makes me simply to sure that more nerfs are coming, aimed at the high level Bersekers to continue leveling up.   If DPS for Berserkers was considered to be to high, then why would SOE only put into effect changes that effect the mid level range when higher level Berserkers do even more dps?   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I see more nerfs coming, it's how SOE operates.   Thats why my Berserker is on the shelf for the time being till I feel the matter is settled.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Which knowing SOE is anywhere from 6 months to 2 years away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>Vanessa</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nessa ~ 28th Berserker </DIV> <DIV>Neriak</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Valeriana ~ 20th Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Neriak</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Moorgards post dont say anything about more nerfs to Berserker's or any class for that matter, just because its posted here on the Berserker forums doesnt mean its intended for us ethier, he could mean that any class will be looked at and adjusted, just as he stated, adjusted. So who know's monks might get a nerf coming, mystics might have there wards adjusted to acually mitigate damage instead of taking full damage, who knows.</P> <P>Moorgards posts were just to make it clear that we wont be the ONLY class to be adjusted.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 32nd Berserker<BR>10 Outfitter<BR>Leader of Justice Bringers<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Aonein Amillion 26th Monk ( retired )<BR>17th outfitter<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server<BR><BR>"We are the two halves of the Flowing Circle, the light and the dark. If either grows too weak or too strong, the circle collapses on itself. Here, I will draw a Flowing Circle in the sand for you. Meditate upon the dual nature of our order and ourselves as you practice Kitten Swims Upstream. Perhaps, if you learn something from your meditations, Brother Tenshin will teach the kitten to become a tiger."</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>No I think what the point was is that if they felt that the lower levels were doing too much dps for their class and that is why they nerfed a few powers.  Then if the higher levels are still doing the same damage level as the lower levels used to be able to do that they will nerf the higher levels too.   Someday.  Hope not.  But.<BR>

[Feral R]

When will these people understand?? This game is NOT real life, it is NOT Eq1, it is NOT some warped figment of your imagination.SOE did a great job with us, making us be offensive tanks. We can go defensive, equip ourselves accordingly (or not) and be pretty darn good tanks. This all depends on how one uses the skills we are provided.Please get this through your heads!Want DPS? I was out dpsing a guardian and wizard the other day... combined! Both of them 1-2 levels above me. How? By the best use of the skills provided. Think we should have a set rold in a group? Tie yourself down with that restriction. As for me, I will continue rocking.

[Reol]

<DIV>Everyone KEEPS arguing were tanks...well a bruiser can tank too, but doesn't mean they are built for that job, they deal damage....we are told (berserkers) that we are tanks..however we are not the best main tank nor were we ever meant to be.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The berserker was to be a heavy damage dealing class ( arguing this point makes you look like a fool..refer to SOE issued Eq2 manuals.) Which means we are there to help tank, mostly off tank...but to compensate for our lack of defensive abilities..we can beat the snot outta mobs. Now....we couldn't beat the crap out of ourselves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The gusto is gone, plain and simple....don't sit and say adapt. I didn't enlist as a berserker to become a lame [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] tank, that is 2nd or 3rd best at every aspect of my job, atleast shadowknights and paladins get spells to offset there deficiencies. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SO again to recap...YES we are tanks...but we are not the BEST at it nor anything else for that matter..and this is the focus of my rage and the fact the guardians are happy as can be at seeing our class nerfed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You kids at the 36+ levels....what makes you think your safe...they haven't even looked at your dps yet...if you parse....and your sitting in the assassin zone...or doing more dps than a bruiser....do this   /wave byebye to your precious power.</DIV>

[Styk]

Feral Rat you were out dpsing a wizzie because alot of their spells are broken atm.... wait till they get fixed.....After talking with a few lvl 50 Guards and Zerkers i have a feeling that the whole fighter class is gonna get their dps nerfed soon , how the hell does a guard out dps scout types at 50? That boggles me.....

[-Aonein-]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Reolas wrote:<BR> <DIV>Everyone KEEPS arguing were tanks...well a bruiser can tank too, but doesn't mean they are built for that job, they deal damage....we are told (berserkers) that we are tanks..however we are not the best main tank nor were we ever meant to be.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The berserker was to be a heavy damage dealing class ( arguing this point makes you look like a fool..refer to SOE issued Eq2 manuals.) Which means we are there to help tank, mostly off tank...but to compensate for our lack of defensive abilities..we can beat the snot outta mobs. Now....we couldn't beat the crap out of ourselves.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The gusto is gone, plain and simple....don't sit and say adapt. I didn't enlist as a berserker to become a lame [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] tank, that is 2nd or 3rd best at every aspect of my job, atleast shadowknights and paladins get spells to offset there deficiencies. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SO again to recap...YES we are tanks...but we are not the BEST at it nor anything else for that matter..and this is the focus of my rage and the fact the guardians are happy as can be at seeing our class nerfed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You kids at the 36+ levels....what makes you think your safe...they haven't even looked at your dps yet...if you parse....and your sitting in the assassin zone...or doing more dps than a bruiser....do this   /wave byebye to your precious power.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>copy/paste</P> <P>We do <STRONG><U>heavy</U></STRONG> damage to <STRONG><U>mulitple</U></STRONG> mobs. Sure a assassin does hit in the 900-1000's at a high lvl, but we can hit multiple mobs for 400-500 at high lvls. My Berserker Barrgae for example, only hits 2 mobs atm, but ive yet to get the upgrade which hits 5 mobs, but atm its doing low 300's to mid 350's, and it doesnt use a heap of mana like Casters AoE spells use, Bloodrage does 80-90 a pop at my lvl atm, and pops about 4-5 times a fight, i rarely go out of power, unless we get add's. You have to use your Berserker to inflict damage on as many mobs as you can while concentrating on holding agro, you all asked for a berserker definition didnt you? and inflicting heavy damage on <STRONG><U>multiple</U></STRONG> mobs while in a berserker state, tanking, and controling agro on you doesnt define a Berserker to you?</P> <P>Our DPS is not as far behind a monk / ranger / assassin as you all think it is. Downlaod the combatstats program and run it, run it with a full group of people, mix the group up, from you tanking, playing a damaging role and switch other people in and out, do this for 6-7 hours striaght and your whole outlook on the Berserker DPS will change, i assure you it will.</P> <P>I didnt chose Berserker because of what the manual says, one reason i didnt even read the manual was because they printed the thing's before the game had run its beta test, why do you think there is a new and improved version of the manual to download of the site.</P> <P>Taemek Frozenberg 32nd Berserker<BR>10th Outfitter<BR>Leader of Justice Bringers<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Aonein Amillion 26th Monk ( retired )<BR>17th outfitter<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server<BR><BR>"We are the two halves of the Flowing Circle, the light and the dark. If either grows too weak or too strong, the circle collapses on itself. Here, I will draw a Flowing Circle in the sand for you. Meditate upon the dual nature of our order and ourselves as you practice Kitten Swims Upstream. Perhaps, if you learn something from your meditations, Brother Tenshin will teach the kitten to become a tiger."</P><p>Message Edited by -Aonein- on <span class=date_text>01-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:21 PM</span>

[Danielle_Mindweaver]

<DIV>Only person to ever steal agro off me was another bezerker, what people are missing here is the fun factor, sure if you're not having fun the reroll another character, I have a priest and wizzy atm which i like to get out occassionally, but I love my bezerker. When I tank I keep agro, if a guardian is tanking I can go full offensive and don't steal agro too often (surely best for the group). What makes the game for me is the community, the guild I'm in, the people I meet and group with, not the massive damage I can do or can't. If all you wanted to do was cause huge damage then be honest you should have rolled a wizzy. If you wanted to hit things and have fun then be a zerker, we can do it all in our own way, wht you need to do is find you're way of enjoying the game/class. Having playedEQ1 for 5 years you kinda get used to the nerfs, I played a chanter for that time and have been through the highs and lows of that class. Now I'm on EQ2 and I'm ready for another SoE rollercoaster ride.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Felmerian 26 zerker Permafrost</DIV> <DIV>Danielle 69 Coercer Prexus</DIV> <DIV>Clan nan Dreolan</DIV><p>Message Edited by Danielle_Mindweaver on <span class=date_text>01-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:42 PM</span>

[pasht]

<blockquote><hr>Hawkwin wrote:<DIV>So I am supposed to feel good about being gimped for over a dozen levels??!!??</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Yesterday I grouped with a lvl 21 monk (I am a lvl 26 zerker) and I could not hold agro because he outdamaged me. Even with Hold the Line, spamming HOs with Maul and taunt, as well as sunder, I could not hold agro.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Just what am I supposed to feel good about?</DIV><hr></blockquote>Sorry, no offense, but I think you did something wrong. I grouped with a 3 level higher Monk yesterday for 4h, did 60% during this time. I occasonly lost Aggro to her, but mostly then when I was chatting with the group during the fight :o)Anyway, IMHO its harder to keep aggro with 1h+shield then in dualwield mode (didnt try out 2h mode so far). At last its the way I saw the whole thing last night. Even when I love the 400AC on my new Towershield <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Feral R]

I remember it comingt from I beleive Moorguard that fighters were the main consistent damage class, and that scouts were not supposed to be the main dps class that rogues were in eq1. I could go hunt for this but I have better things to do with my time, like work then play eq2.Guardians do so much damage because they are tanking and get alot of ripostes, same thing happens when a zerker tanks. If you want to be the best fighter class at TAKING damage, then reroll a Guardian and leave these forums for good. If you want a class that can take damage (not as well as a guardian), dish out a lot of dps, and keep solid agro control... then stay here, hold on, and enjoy the ride.

[Kro]

<DIV>This weekend I (26 berzerker) was grouped with a 27 templar and 26 defiler. We fought the orange ^^ named mini-demon guy for the EL access quest. I had zero problem tanking him. I have yet to have a problem tanking anything with a decent templar around.</DIV>

[Diabol]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Styker wrote:<BR>Feral Rat you were out dpsing a wizzie because alot of their spells are broken atm.... wait till they get fixed.....<BR><BR>After talking with a few lvl 50 Guards and Zerkers i have a feeling that the whole fighter class is gonna get their dps nerfed soon , how the hell does a guard out dps scout types at 50? That boggles me.....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Fighter damage isn't going to be nerfed soon, at least I seriously doubt it.  People are comparing a scouts single target DPS to the DPS of an MT doing multi target damage with riposte, damage shields, and probably some AoE styles.   You can only compare DPS between a tank and scout when there is a single mob in the encounter and only self buffs are being employed, and if your going to count riposte damage even in that comparison you have to be sure the scout properly executes his opening critical styles from stealth, and is dropping out of melee at the proper times to execute his ranged criticals and then stealthing again for the next melee critical - this is the work of a predator anyway.  Rogue/bard dps shouldn't be that much higher than a figher, they are more utility than dps, sort of like an enchanter vs wizard.</P> <P> </P>

[Vanes]

<DIV>All a person has to do is read Moorgards post here:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=4608" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=4608</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To see that he states very clearly that DPS of all classes are being looked at.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As well as saying Berserkers were doing to much damage.   Now I'm sorry but I find it very hard to believe that the only levels where SOE was concerned with the DPS of the Berserker was in the 20s to low 30s.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It makes no sense to nerf DPS in those levels when so many have posted about how high level Berserkers do more DPS then many other classes.   I see more nerfs coming, from Moorgards post it seems very logical.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That or they will increase other classes DPS, but honestly who here believes there will be buff's and no more nerfs?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vanessa</DIV>

[-Aonein-]

<DIV>If you gave a Monk / Assassin / Berserker / Guardian / Ranger all the same weapons, exactally the same, same damage, same delay, then asked them not to buff up, or use any of their special skills during combat, im willing to bet that we would all walk out close, if not the same dps over the period of a fight, from a non tank point of view.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now ask them to buff up and use there skills to the best of their ability and im willing to bet that a player that knows what he / she is doing will out damage a Berserker / Guardian any day of the week. If a scout class or a monk / brusier isnt out damaging a Berserker, then there seriously not playing there class's to the best of there ability, if they are playing to the best of there ability, there using the wrong skills OR just clicking auto attack and watching televison till they here there weapons seive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In other words, there is people who drive the boat, and there is people that ride it, im pretty sure SoE would know this at this point and can see that after 3 major nerfs to one class in a period LESS then 3 mnths is bad without having a good clean look at other class's and bugs first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taemek Frozenberg 32nd Berserker<BR>10th Outfitter<BR>Leader of Justice Bringers<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Aonein Amillion 26th Monk ( retired )<BR>17th outfitter<BR>Everfrost Server<BR><BR>Enlightened Aonein Amillion ( retired )<BR>70th Stone Fist of The Celestial Fist<BR>Five Rings on Luclin Server<BR><BR>"We are the two halves of the Flowing Circle, the light and the dark. If either grows too weak or too strong, the circle collapses on itself. Here, I will draw a Flowing Circle in the sand for you. Meditate upon the dual nature of our order and ourselves as you practice Kitten Swims Upstream. Perhaps, if you learn something from your meditations, Brother Tenshin will teach the kitten to become a tiger."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>