STOP WHINING!!!!

[Toxa]

<DIV>I play a level 30 berzerker, and I am <STRONG>so sick</STRONG> of everyone whining and bitc.hing about the Berzerker nerf in the recent patch.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I joined a level 29-31 group in Runnyeye last night. I was bartely into level 30 when i began, and 55% when i left. most people dinged to 31 while in the group. There was an assassin, bruiser, and a defiler that sometimes played as a damage dealer. The assassin had one of those parser programs that can report to the group after every fight. It reported how much damage was dealt by the player, to the player, DPS, and something else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I <STRONG><FONT color=#66ff00>consistently</FONT></STRONG> outdamaged everyone in group. even when the assassin turned 31. even whgen the assassin would hit for 500+, i would still outdamage him 90% of the time. Vs both single and multiple targets. vs yellows, oranges and reds. Also, i was doing this while tanking, and maintaining aggro the entire time every fight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And also, the entire group agreed that i tanked very well, and i got several compliments.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bloodlust <STRONG>was</STRONG> broken by the patch, but they fixed that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>so what the hell are you guys whining about?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9900>get over it</FONT>, and realize that Berzerkers still kick serious as.s, and still tank very well. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Suck it up</FONT>, play your class well, and you'll realize that the nerf really didn't hurt us any. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>want a few hints? get some decent drink, that isn't grey to you. Equip yourself well. Instead of whining about nerfs, think of ways to play better, strategize to make up for it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Toxaur on <span class=date_text>01-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:58 PM</span>

[asteldian]

<DIV>Well, mostly its the fact i do better damage as tank than as secondary tank, all im really asking for is the ability to berserk when not tanking</DIV>

[Draxre]

You better stop whining about me whining, or I'll whine about you whining about me whining. Clear ?

[tarasl]

<DIV>Ah another suck it up thread, thanks but no thanks</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And if you were outdoing an assassin in dps that a assasin is an idiot.</DIV>

[bathory610]

must be alot of idiot assassins cuz we were within 5dps for 4 hrs of grouping

[Toxa]

<DIV>lol he was certainly not an idiot assassin. and he seemed to have decent equip.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>heh, maybe it isn't the assassins that are idiots :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>bring on the flames!</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>.</FONT></STRONG></DIV><p>Message Edited by Toxaur on <span class=date_text>01-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:09 PM</span>

[WaterBoy]

<DIV>I have never been outdamaged by a berserker.  The only class that comes CLOSE to outdamaging me would be a wizard.  I'm currently a 29 assassin.  I even fought red clay gaurdians, and I did 2k-3k damage.  Sorry but berserkers aren't big [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] DPS.  They are, and should be, lower DPS than scouts, monks, and bruisers.  And some casters.  But by no means, should they come CLOSE to outdamaing Wizards or Assassins.  If they are, get a new DPS.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And stop complaining about your nerf.  Assassin's are going to be next I suppose.  Just live with it.</DIV>

[Sinkat]

<DIV>I like this threads were people who have overcomed the stupid nerf and see everything good about it and then the other guys keep on whining and they still go on and on with the dumb thing, your right "get over it" and just try to get your Berzerker good for what it is now, whuning like you are in all these posts wont help or has it? Just loosing your time.</DIV> <DIV>Even putting on your signatures the fix my berzerker thing is really kind of dumb..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good Luck!</DIV>

[Styk]

Sinkatze maybe you posting on this thread is kinda dumb? Oh and um why should berserkers stop whining? Guardians didnt when they felt that they weren't the supreme tank.... Now that they are , they want us to stop complaining now as well...Screw that... SoE changed entirely what a class Berserkers were described on being..... So ill whine until its [Removed for Content] fixed....

[WaterBoy]

<DIV>I'm sorry but I don't remember seeing anywhere that Berserkers were supposed to be gods later on.  Cause 3k AC and OD'ing Wizards and Assassins and main DPS classes doesn't make sense.  ESPECIALLY seeing as how all of their attacks don't have to be from back or when mob has certain def or something.  Berserkers were gods, they shouldn't be.  Nerfbat was well deserved</DIV>

[asteldian]

<DIV>Now that does frustrate me-why is it all you non zerkers pop your head in and claim we expect to be gods in the game, not one zerker said we should never have been nerfed, the arguement is being nerfed too hard.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, we sacrificed all utility to be able to tank and do a bit of DPS, you scout classes have your utility and DPS, i think perhaps you damage way to similar to warlocks who gave everything up for DPS, guess that means you guys should be hit hard by the nerf bat too?</DIV>

[Sinkat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Styker wrote:<BR>Sinkatze maybe you posting on this thread is kinda dumb? <BR><BR>Oh and um why should berserkers stop whining? Guardians didnt when they felt that they weren't the supreme tank.... Now that they are , they want us to stop complaining now as well...<BR><BR>Screw that... SoE changed entirely what a class Berserkers were described on being..... So ill whine until its [Removed for Content] fixed....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>And why is it "kinda dumb" for me to be posting here? I dont get the problem.. <BR>If you dont want to stop whinig then dont, but dont bother people who like the job and looking at stuff positive.<BR>And I dont really care if Guardians didnt stop whining, thats why I post here and not there.</P> <P>Good Luck!</P>

[Toxa]

<DIV>hey guys, why dont you READ the dam post before posting? the 1st words are... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I AM A BERZERKER</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>that means, i'm a berzerker, telling you whiny berzerkers to suck it up and realize we really barely got nerfed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and Jinzo, I was a 30 berzerker outdamaging a 31 assassin and 31 bruiser, doing between 55 and 68 DPS, and doing 2800-3600 damage per fight. And that was fighting orange cons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so what was it you were saying about "no ifs ands or buts"?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Toxaur on <span class=date_text>01-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:28 PM</span>

[kakar]

<DIV>u shouldnt be doing more than scouts, u need more nerfing!</DIV>

[Sinkat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kakarox wrote:<BR> <DIV>u shouldnt be doing more than scouts, u need more nerfing!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Lol, I guess it depends on how everybody plays, I guess that answer could vary depending on many things, but could be both. But more nerfing I dont know..</P> <P>Good Luck!</P>

[-Steppenwolf-]

Read moorgard's post, he said that berserker were supposed to have low DPS and that's why they nerfed them. If you can still deal huge DPS, which I seriously doubt, then expect some more nerfing.

[SCORP]

<DIV>Toxaur, are you sure it's not just that you're thick?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The numbers that come up on the screen are the ones that show your dps, not the numbers that come up in your head.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh and Mr. Assasin, none of us ever wanted to out DPS you, or even any scout or mage, but we do expect to out DPS guardians which we are supposed to, to make up for our lack of defence compared to them. So either read what people have actually said before you post, or don't bother reading but keep posting and looking like an idiot who is probably spoon fed and dribbles.</DIV>

[deathsangel44]

<DIV>Y ou should not drink while you are playing EQ2</DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>If you dont believe me, ask DaJackal on Najena server.  I didn't make up those #s. I know how to play my class well. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And berzerkers are not supposed to be LOW DPS, just not obscene DPS like we are now. Not supposed to outdamage socuts like we can now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.</DIV>

[Sinkat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toxaur wrote:<BR> <DIV>If you dont believe me, ask DaJackal on Najena server.  I didn't make up those #s. I know how to play my class well. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And berzerkers are not supposed to be LOW DPS, just not obscene DPS like we are now. Not supposed to outdamage socuts like we can now.</DIV> <DIV><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I dont know how it is now, but I also think they shouldnt have low DPS, because thats there type of fighter, one that can hit hard, and also the way you outdamaged an Assassin could be, but in other threads I cant stop reading people saying that Guardians even outdamage a Berzerker so I guess depends alot on the way you are playing..</P> <P>Good Luck!</P> <P>PS: Dont know alot yet, because I still dont start the game, so I cant give my full opinion about it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.. cheers.<BR></P>

[Toxa]

<DIV>It could be that berzerker damage sucks before 25... a guildmate told me at 25 he seemed to get a large damage boost. All i know is that at 30 my damage is great.</DIV>

[reakshav]

<DIV>We are not DPS Tox.  I've been in a lot of groups, and with more then one beserker.  I notice when i have and assassin or a wizard in the group mobs just drop so fast. Put another Zerker or fighter type in there and DPS greatly drops.  Try putting 3 wizards in your group and see how fast stuff drops.  Its totally bull that a zerker can out dps a mage or a scout at this point.</DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>I did it and it was parsed. And there were witnesses. I cant outdamage my best friend's assassin, but i come close.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.</DIV>

[Bobbubski]

<DIV>I am a 'zerker</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>therefore</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am a golden god</DIV>

[Sinkat]

<DIV> <DIV>Nobodys saying that Berzerkers have to outdamage an assassin but it can happen, just like <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=113165" target=_blank><SPAN>Toxaur</SPAN></A> said, he has outdamaged assassins at lvl 30 but he still cant outdamage his best friends damage, but close. This has do do alot in the way you play, and its not a fact that they should outdamage them, its just the maner you play. Many things depend on it.. not only you class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good Luck!</DIV></DIV>

[reakshav]

<DIV>not gonna happen, not gonna happen... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[nasti]

Well, I just don't believe your numbers. You claim to outdamage a wiz and an assassin. Trust me I've been running parsers and I don't come close to the damage. Post your exact numbers with weapons and description of skills used with their typical max and avarage damages would you? And don't come here [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]in about equipment or drink; Each and every piece of my equipment is orange. I got all my skills app3 or more, with all the important skills at adept1 or more. But you must be such a godly player that suddenly you can outdamage everyone in the game, but nobody else is capable of this? It really requires such high rl skills pushing those buttons/shortcuts in battle in order to get the DPS up. It sure is rocket science..Did you say you did up to 55-68 DPS, consistently? What parser prog was used? Max that a monk and a wiz did in my group was 50-54 DPS, both lvl 31. This on the lvl 32-33 ^^ wasps in EL. Was the parser prog properly used? Are you sure it logs all damage correctly?

[Toxa]

<DIV>never said i outdamaged a wiz, buddy.  I outdamaged a 31 assassin, bruiser, and mystic(when he tried to do DPS). </DIV><p>Message Edited by Toxaur on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:08 AM</span>

[Armeng]

82-88 dps is not that impressive if you think about it unless its on a raid mob that has a ton of hps.start fight, cast alpha attacks right off(highest damage) then if you can get them in right at the end of fight and it is over you have extra dps from those alphas and no extra time

[Kyriel]

<DIV>Yeah I am in runnyeye and i am a lvl 29 ranger, and for sure theres no way in hell that a lvl 30 zerk can outdamage a ranger, It just depends on the kind of skill wheel u take. Scouts were design for dps , though some more gifted than others *cough* assasins* cough* pricks, And btw Guardians do more damage on a bow than a ranger [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is that about. I think u are full of it , group with me anytime and see if u can outdo my DPS.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ ________________</DIV> <DIV>Landacet~ U wanna beat a wiz in dps? use trick shot and let em dance</DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>sorry i'm at work and couldn't finish my reply.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I never said i outdamaged a wizard. yes the parser was used correctly, and 2 of us were parsing, each with a different parser. I normally do 55 DPS or so. that night i was doing 55-68 DPS, which was 2800-3600 damage per fight. the bruiser and assassin averaged 2000-3200 damage per fight. We were fighitng in runnyeye, fighting mobs orange to me, some douple up arrow, some groups of regular orange cons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I use an SBH(godly weapon i tell you), have adept 1s and 3s for all the skills they are available for. And my equipment is about the best $ can buy. I use level 30 average drink. I use vicious blow to start, then training: stunning barrage, then spam all my other attacks til i can barrage again. And i always have Fury up. With level 30 drink, I can generally spam all my attacks and still regen 80-100% by the next fight, while pulling about as fast as i could.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Additionally, as long as i am tanking, I have noticed extremely little damage reduction. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We did have a coercer in group, and the haste seemed to boost <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>every</STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#ffffff> melee's DPS by about 5.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not saying i am a god, or that berzerkers are godly, or that we can outdamage anyone no matter what. Sin has it nailed on the head. When played well, almost any class can outdo another. I know berzerkers that can do about the same damage i can, and i know plenty that can't come close. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am just <FONT color=#66ff00><STRONG>sick</STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#ffffff> and </FONT><FONT color=#ffff33><STRONG>tired</STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#ffffff> of all these whiners bawling their eyes out about the nerf. Suck it up and find better strategies to make up for it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>btw, a 33 ranger later than night definitely outdamaged me. However, he was 3 levels higher <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i've never grouped with an equal level ranger.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT: and i didn't say i could outdo anyone's damage. but i sure outdid that group.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Toxaur on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:23 AM</span>

[tarasl]

<DIV>Kinda a funny Tox how you think you have the market cornered on being a good beserker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are sounding like nothing more than a sony butt boy looking for a pat on the back for the sucking up your doing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I'll repeat, if you were outdamaging an assassin, that assasin doesn't know what he's doing.</DIV>

[Darkd]

<DIV>I have any idea......sssshhhh.....keep your pie hole closed so that another nerf doesnt come around the corner.</DIV>

[Reol]

<DIV>OMG...get this out of your head NOW......Berzerkers do NOT expect to OUT damage a SCOUT!........are we f'ing clear you morons....NM the whining.......all the NON zerkers [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]...you know about 5% of nothing.....if ONE berserker feels he should be outdamaging a scout thats his problem. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Every other class and even a few of our own seem to think were wanting to be the uberest dps...how about the uberest dps or par with OTHER fighters, don't give me because the bruisers wear lighter armor than heavy tanks crap...I play a bruiser and I tank fine and I do tons of damage......give the berserker on par dps with other fighters....I would LOVE to be able to dps with scouts and wizards...but its not fair to them......I want par damage with a bruiser/monk....if the bruisers monks have a problem with that...they are full of crap.....because my bruiser is in the 30's and I tank mobs sometimes better than guardians simply because I avoid damage better, not to say I can take a hit..but for avoidance brawler classes are king hands down.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Berserkers want something they are either equally good at ....or something they themselves are sololy good at.</DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>you guys love to put words in my mouth don't you?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i never said that i think i <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>should</STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#ffffff> do more damage than a scout class. I said i did, consistently, and i have vs more than 1 scout class. However, i can never outdamage my best friend, Pyroden.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>FYI, this post was intended to give the whiny berzerkers some HOPE, and come up with better fighting strategies instead of whining and sniveling constantly.  Was supposed to be constructive.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>.</FONT></STRONG></DIV><p>Message Edited by Toxaur on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:38 PM</span>

[Eukat]

<DIV>Your experiences and opinion at a wopping lv 30 mean nothing to me, try again when your 50 and have about 30k kills under your belt. Then your opinion might matter.</DIV>

[Reol]

<DIV>Someone at lvl 30 right now is in better position to talk than a lvl 50 because they haven't nerfed the lvl 40+ skills YET.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Once they do..well see what sort of crying happens then.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Reolas on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:14 PM</span>

[Sinkat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> taraslar wrote:<BR> <DIV>Kinda a funny Tox how you think you have the market cornered on being a good beserker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are sounding like nothing more than a sony butt boy looking for a pat on the back for the sucking up your doing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I'll repeat, if you were outdamaging an assassin, that assasin doesn't know what he's doing.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I think Tox is doing fine with his job, and if nobody bleleves him then just dont, hes just writting the experience he had with a party and you blame him that he is lying with the numbers or that the assassin he outdamaged doesnt know a thing, I dont know, maybe you all are just gelous maybe..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He never said that Berzerkers outdamage every class in the game, and never mentioned he outdamaged a Ranger so I dont know why that Ranger is saying those stuff.</DIV> <DIV>I hope you dont keep attacking the people that are doing well with there character with nonsense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good Luck!</DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>LOL... Eukatae, you can express your opinion wihtout being an as.shole, that was just uncalled for.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>step 1 to a better life:  remove stick from butt.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you Sinkatze, yet again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Toxaur on <span class=date_text>01-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:32 PM</span>

[Sinkat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toxaur wrote:<BR> <DIV>LOL... Eukatae, you can express your opinion wihtout being an as.shole, that was just uncalled for.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>step 1 to a better life:  remove stick from butt.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you Sinkatze, yet again.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Your Welcome, its just the way everybody should think, positively.</P> <P>This is a messege I posted on another Thread that is kind of usefull so people dont keep Discussing all this:</P> <DIV>"I think it depends alot on how you play.. in varies a class alot, so some play better than others, yes. But thats not what your discussing, your discussing about how good the class is, and there always is going to be people that play better than others, so for the ones that play better a class is better, for the wans that dont play so well, the class isnt as good.. so if you keep on arguing about the class you wont get to anything and will never end these discussions about the nerf. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So maybe we should all just try out the Berzerker as it is and enjoy it, or change to another class that suits you more. Hope everybody can enjoy the game as it is suposed to.."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Good Luck!<BR></DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>true, but like i said, I was only trying to give people hope and try to get people to stop whining, it's grating on my nerves when i know it's really not so bad :smileytongue: but oh well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.</DIV>