My view of the post-patch berserker

[nasti]

I'm at the moment a troll lvl 30 berserker, and I surely did notice the drop in DPS. However, I don't have problems getting a group, and I am still able to have fun when grouped. I have been using parsers to check the damage drop, and to compare the damage to others in the group. What I have noticed is a bit discomforting. The damage done in EL on wasps, lvl 32-33 ^^ mobs is approx the following (the damage varies a lot, taken with Combat Stats Monitor):Berserker: 20-30 DPSWizard: 30-45 DPSMonk: 30-45 DPSTroubadour: 20-25 DPSAssassin: 30-45 DPSSK: 28-39 DPSThe Troubadour did surprisingly bad damage, but I believe the parser didn't get all the damage. I believe the same goes for assassins poison. The parser only checks my log, so it only logs damage that is visible to me. Buffed I have some 2.2k+ hp and ac. As gear I use 2x Kregnok's axe or shield and some feysteel hatchet/axe (sry cant remember name now). Anyhow, fairly good equipment. The thing that disturbed me the most was that the Monk seemed to be able to tank the mobs better than me. There I was, with a shield and all, using soldier's stance, Stifled Rage, Havoc etc. and he could tank/dual wield the mobs with ease. I take enormous amount of damage, and therefore I have to use a shield. This stinks. The monk took over the MT role when I left.This means that when I'm tanking I have to use a shield, thus lowering my DPS. Therefore, it would be beneficial for the group to have a guardian, monk or bruiser as the tank. I never have a problem with aggro though. I always use all skills in order to generate more hate. Furthermore, the SK did as a rule better damage than I did with shield.Honestly, I don't remember the last time when I have dual wielded or used 2h in a group, I always have to use a shield and 1h. When I chose berserker, I thought the shield was for guardian, 2h more for berserker, which would be in line with the lvl 20 item we receive. I have even noticed that on several mobs, I solo better with shield + 1h, as otherwise I take too much damage. Now, I hope people don't take this as a whine, as I don't intend it to be. My gropes are mostly with the role of the berserker, not the nerf on berserk. Hopefully new skills on higher levels with change what I am experiencing on lvl 30.

[sceptre155]

<DIV>I'm a lvl 28 zerker and I've witnessed the same.  As long as the mobs are not red the monk's I've seen tank better then us. And I'm not saying nerf monk's.  I think they are fine right where they are. I personally like running around with my shiny brass halbred and thus would rather not tank. But I do want to be a viable alternative.  I too have been parsing damage for a few weeks, and what I've found is that Pally/SK DPS has been just about always higher then mine unless I'm burning massive power.  I hear this changes later in life but for the 20's they do more damage. Especially while using a 1H + Shield combo. They use spells ofcourse to make up the lack of DW or 2H. I agree that if we are in 1H+shield mode they should do more damage then use. 2H or DW Berserkers should do more DPS.  As far as the bard goes, not to start a flame or anything but they offer huge amounts of buffs etc to the group. You can definetly tell when a bard leaves a group, cause it all goes to crap after that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My version of the tank class DPS scale and tanking scale.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>DPS</DIV> <DIV>Monk/Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>Berserker in 2H or DW mode</DIV> <DIV>Pally/SK</DIV> <DIV>Guardians and Berserker in 1H + Shield mode</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tanking</DIV> <DIV>Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Berserker in 1H + Shield mode</DIV> <DIV>Pally/SK  and Monks in defense mode</DIV> <DIV>Berserker in 2H or DW mode            </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm sure others see this diffrently, but before the patch on /01/06 this is how I felt things were working.</DIV> <DIV>Now, remmeber I'm in the mid 20's maybe the high end is diffrent.  And why not let bloodlust proc often? It has a nasty side effect.  If you get agro while in beserk mode you get smacked around like a paper doll.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[nasti]

I continued my research. I checked players soloing yellow klaknoks in EL. When I solo one I always go into yellow, losing about 2 bubs of health. A bruiser at same level, lvl 30, soloed the same mobs and losing half a bub of health. According to the description of the classes the situation should be vice versa; The berserker being the one taking less damage.<p>Message Edited by nastirh on <span class=date_text>01-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:44 AM</span>

[nasti]

Actually, the bruiser managed to solo them even without power. Always losing less than a bub of health.

[sceptre155]

<DIV>Hmm.. Didn't use any power at all?</DIV> <DIV>I wonder if thats a graphics bug.  Not saying i don't believe you, but if he solo'd the mob using 1 bub of health and no power either hes eating some kick butt food/drink or something is amiss.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[nasti]

I mean he killed one mob, went directly on to next one and in the beginning of that fight he went out of power, but he still managed to get it killed with little health loss.I don't know how the hell he did it, but he did.

[Reol]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nastirh wrote:<BR>I'm at the moment a troll lvl 30 berserker, and I surely did notice the drop in DPS. However, I don't have problems getting a group, and I am still able to have fun when grouped. <BR>I have been using parsers to check the damage drop, and to compare the damage to others in the group. What I have noticed is a bit discomforting. The damage done in EL on wasps, lvl 32-33 ^^ mobs is approx the following (the damage varies a lot, taken with Combat Stats Monitor):<BR><BR>Berserker: 20-30 DPS<BR>Wizard: 30-45 DPS<BR>Monk: 30-45 DPS<BR>Troubadour: 20-25 DPS<BR>Assassin: 30-45 DPS<BR>SK: 28-39 DPS<BR><BR>The Troubadour did surprisingly bad damage, but I believe the parser didn't get all the damage. I believe the same goes for assassins poison. The parser only checks my log, so it only logs damage that is visible to me. <BR><BR>Buffed I have some 2.2k+ hp and ac. As gear I use 2x Kregnok's axe or shield and some feysteel hatchet/axe (sry cant remember name now). Anyhow, fairly good equipment. <BR><BR>The thing that disturbed me the most was that the Monk seemed to be able to tank the mobs better than me. There I was, with a shield and all, using soldier's stance, Stifled Rage, Havoc etc. and he could tank/dual wield the mobs with ease. I take enormous amount of damage, and therefore I have to use a shield. This stinks. The monk took over the MT role when I left.<BR><BR>This means that when I'm tanking I have to use a shield, thus lowering my DPS. Therefore, it would be beneficial for the group to have a guardian, monk or bruiser as the tank. I never have a problem with aggro though. I always use all skills in order to generate more hate. Furthermore, the SK did as a rule better damage than I did with shield.<BR><BR>Honestly, I don't remember the last time when I have dual wielded or used 2h in a group, I always have to use a shield and 1h. When I chose berserker, I thought the shield was for guardian, 2h more for berserker, which would be in line with the lvl 20 item we receive. I have even noticed that on several mobs, I solo better with shield + 1h, as otherwise I take too much damage. <BR><BR>Now, I hope people don't take this as a whine, as I don't intend it to be. My gropes are mostly with the role of the berserker, not the nerf on berserk. Hopefully new skills on higher levels with change what I am experiencing on lvl 30.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>I have a 25 berserker that i quit like 3 weeks ago because I knew they were going to nuke nerf us.....so i made a bruiser that is lvl 27 now....and I know, in time...they are going to nerf the bruisers dps...then possibly there avoiding ability...because I know the guardians will cry and cry about how bruiser tanks better than them...( I think I have seen this episode of Guardians Whine already.) So I guess I keep playing my bruiser till they get nerf nuked too.</P> <P>Also wanted to say that if those numbers are correct according to Moorgard, I think shadowknight and bruiser are going to get nerf nuked.</P><p>Message Edited by Reolas on <span class=date_text>01-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:02 AM</span>