BerserkerTraining Thread

[Too]

<DIV><STRONG>Was hoping to start a thread with our 10 level training skills. </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Warrior (Level 10)</STRONG></DIV> <UL> <LI>Braksan's Vicious Swing - An advanced form of Wild Swing. As a bonus to Wild Swing it deals increased damage. <LI>Uthros' Defiant Cry - An advanced form of Call to Arms. As a bonus to Call to Arms it grants spell avoidance. <LI>Saren's Crushing Blow - An advanced form of Kick. As a bonus to Kick it interrupts casting. <LI>Taron's Bleeding Blades - An advanced form of Assault. As a bonus to Assault it deals slashing damage over time.</LI></UL> <DIV><BR><STRONG>Berserker (Level 20)</STRONG></DIV> <UL> <LI>Balok's Challenge - An advanced form of Anger. As a bonus to Anger it causes the berserker to enter a berserk state. <LI>Cain's Sudden Strike - An advanced form of Forced Swing. As a bonus to Forced Swing it interrupts casting. <LI>Strongbear's Deep Wound - An advanced form of Wound. As a bonus to Wound it decreases strength. <LI>Brugal's Boastful Blow - An advanced form of Taunting Blow. As a bonus to Taunting Blow it an increased hate effect.</LI></UL> <P>Anyone that has made choices with these above or any of the level 30 or 40 ones please post here with how effective they were.</P>

[Jher]

<DIV>For my lvl 30 skill, I took:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nehron's Stunning Barrage</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Attacks and stuns creatures to the front and side of the berserker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I haven't really tested this out much yet, but I would suspect it to be similar to Berserker Barrage in the cone and amount of enemies it hits (ie. Front/sides, hits max 2 enemies). This skill is -not- on the same timer as BB, thankfully.</DIV>

[tfbo]

<DIV>I'm 32, so I was pleasantly surprised with the options for 30. I opted for the upgrade to Battle Tactics, which gives more HP and adds a STR bonus. I forget the actual name, but it's Uthros' something.</DIV>

[Wolfherz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jherad wrote:<BR> <DIV>For my lvl 30 skill, I took:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nehron's Stunning Barrage</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Attacks and stuns creatures to the front and side of the berserker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I haven't really tested this out much yet, but I would suspect it to be similar to Berserker Barrage in the cone and amount of enemies it hits (ie. Front/sides, hits max 2 enemies). This skill is -not- on the same timer as BB, thankfully.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Nevermind ... if its not on the same timer than BB all is good.<BR> <p>Message Edited by Wolfherz on <span class=date_text>01-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:44 PM</span>

[NedDevi]

<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Beserker (Level 30)</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <UL> <LI><FONT size=2><STRONG>Uthros' Superior Tactics </STRONG>- Increase hitpoints and strength of the beserker's group</FONT></LI> <LI><FONT size=2><STRONG>Nehron's Stunning Barrage</STRONG> - Attacks and stuns creatures to the front and side of the beserker</FONT></LI> <LI><FONT size=2><STRONG>Balok's Furious Chant</STRONG> - Increases hate towards the beserker and grants the beserker a chance to go beserk</FONT></LI> <LI><FONT size=2><STRONG>Rothkar's Charge</STRONG> - Stuns and decreases the offense of the enemy.  It requires a shield</FONT></LI></UL> <P><FONT size=2>Against my better judgement I choose Balok's Furious Chant.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>It is an AoE taunt on the same timer as Enrage.  I already had Enrage at Adept III so I'm not yet sure if this was a good choice.  I tried it out on 2 groups of grey mobs and did in fact go beserk both times.</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by NedDevine on <span class=date_text>01-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:24 PM</span>

[Grimve]

<DIV>I took Balok's Furious Chant and like it I guess. It usually triggers berserk and recast time was cut from 30 sec (Enrage) to 20 sec with Balok's. Presently at 31 it is my only spell that reliably berserks me post-nerf.</DIV>

[Toxa]

<DIV>i love barrage... i'm definitely taking the level 30 stunning barrage</DIV>

[ArivenGemini]

<blockquote><hr>Tooth wrote:<DIV><STRONG>Was hoping to start a thread with our 10 level training skills. </STRONG></DIV><DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV><DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV><DIV><STRONG>Warrior (Level 10)</STRONG></DIV><UL><LI>Braksan's Vicious Swing - An advanced form of Wild Swing. As a bonus to Wild Swing it deals increased damage. <LI>Uthros' Defiant Cry - An advanced form of Call to Arms. As a bonus to Call to Arms it grants spell avoidance. <LI>Saren's Crushing Blow - An advanced form of Kick. As a bonus to Kick it interrupts casting. <LI>Taron's Bleeding Blades - An advanced form of Assault. As a bonus to Assault it deals slashing damage over time.</LI></UL><DIV><BR><STRONG>Berserker (Level 20)</STRONG></DIV><UL><LI>Balok's Challenge - An advanced form of Anger. As a bonus to Anger it causes the berserker to enter a berserk state. <LI>Cain's Sudden Strike - An advanced form of Forced Swing. As a bonus to Forced Swing it interrupts casting. <LI>Strongbear's Deep Wound - An advanced form of Wound. As a bonus to Wound it decreases strength. <LI>Brugal's Boastful Blow - An advanced form of Taunting Blow. As a bonus to Taunting Blow it an increased hate effect.</LI></UL><P>Anyone that has made choices with these above or any of the level 30 or 40 ones please post here with how effective they were.</P><hr></blockquote>I took Uthros and Baloks challenge. Both seem to be fine so far, but I dread what is going to happen as I level up since I had anger at adept 1 and now moorgard said in his thread you shouldn't pick the training option for something you have at a higher tier... it -seems- like baloks is just as good, plus the serk.. but then I am paranoid so I worry. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ra]

<DIV>Another kick in the guts .... Yesterday Stunning Barrage and Barrage were on seperate timers, now they're on the same timer... woo hoo what a useless waste of training that was since the damage appears to be basically the same and the stun does bugger all.</DIV>

[Too]

<DIV>I choose the following.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>10   - Uthros Defient Cry -- only skill I thought I may use - just for the spell mitigation</DIV> <DIV>20   - Balocks Challenge --  Upgrade to Anger - still used anger often at level 43</DIV> <DIV>30   - Balocks Furious Chant -- Upgrade to Enrage - Use this skill every time I have a multi mob pull.</DIV> <DIV>40   - (Balocks ) Stunning Cry   -- Upgrade to stunning Cry Mutli Mob Stun and medium Damage -  Had a different timer from Stunning Cry and did a little more damage( between 160 & 190 to each mob).</DIV>

[KagnarL]

<blockquote><hr>Raed wrote:<DIV>Another kick in the guts .... Yesterday Stunning Barrage and Barrage were on seperate timers, now they're on the same timer... woo hoo what a useless waste of training that was since the damage appears to be basically the same and the stun does bugger all.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Moorgard has said that these are replacements....not an added skill but an upgrade to the actual skill.

[Jher]

<blockquote><hr>KagnarLOH wrote:<blockquote><hr>Raed wrote:<DIV>Another kick in the guts .... Yesterday Stunning Barrage and Barrage were on seperate timers, now they're on the same timer... woo hoo what a useless waste of training that was since the damage appears to be basically the same and the stun does bugger all.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Moorgard has said that these are replacements....not an added skill but an upgrade to the actual skill.<hr></blockquote>Yep, and as nice as it was on a seperate time, I could see this coming and can't complain too much.However. The stun component of SB does not work.Which bit do you think SOE have (incredibly quickly) fixed? The overpowering own timer, or the underpowering lack of stun? I don't think I have to answer that, do I?This trend is fast becoming the norm.

[Raidyen]

<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Balok's Furious Chant</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>Anyone level 30 beserkers use this in a group yet?  Is it better than shout and sunder as far as an AoE taunt goes? </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>With our recent bloodlust fix and nerf in DPS, i need all the agro help i can get.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>

[Sabin the Gre]

<DIV>I've been out of town since the patch went live.  Quick question though.  Is Stunning Cry > or < Balocks Furious Chant?   Also since I've Adept 3'd Berserker Barrage it wouldn't be worth the stun one would it?  Has anyone taken the taunting attack?  I'd be interesting in seeing the usefulness of that since whatever the intial version of that is is completely greyed out.</DIV>

[Grimve]

<DIV><EM>Is Stunning Cry > or < Balocks Furious Chant?</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No. Stunning Cry training is level 40; Balok's Furious Chant (Enrage training) is level 30. You get a new set of choices every ten levels.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I took Balok's Furious Chant and it seems pretty good. It recycles faster than Enrage and has an improved berserk chance.</DIV>

[Too]

<DIV>All the added training skills is basically the same skill as a previous skill you already have , it just automatically puts it at Adept 2, and addes an additional small benifit.  I would say if you have a skill at adept 3 already it would not be wise to use a 10 level training skill for the same skill.   Most likely will be worse then what you have in adept 3 now.</DIV>

[Thinm]

<DIV> <DIV>I took Saren's Crushing Blow, Balok's Challenge, and Nehron's Stunning Barrage. I like Saren's and Nehron's so far, haven't really used Balok's Challenge yet.</DIV></DIV>

[Nuvi]

<DIV>i was glad that i got a taunt skill on same timer as taunting blow <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[genjut]

<DIV>i didnt tchek: but can anyone told me if assault as the same timer as Furious onslaught and others AOE please?</DIV> <DIV>I</DIV>

[Diabol]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> genjutsu wrote:<BR> <DIV>i didnt tchek: but can anyone told me if assault as the same timer as Furious onslaught and others AOE please?</DIV> <DIV>I</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Yes.</P>

[asteldian]

<DIV>Assault and Furious onslaught are same timer</DIV>

[Scar13]

<DIV>it wasnt last night but it is NOW!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> And it does less dmg then Berzerker Barrage..  SO its worthless.</DIV>

[Dulbec]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tooth wrote:<BR> <DIV>All the added training skills is basically the same skill as a previous skill you already have , it just automatically puts it at Adept 2, and addes an additional small benifit.  I would say if you have a skill at adept 3 already it would not be wise to use a 10 level training skill for the same skill.   Most likely will be worse then what you have in adept 3 now.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Thanks for all the great info, Tooth.</P> <P>One question though:  Where did you discover that "training skills is basically the same skill as a previous skill you already have , it just automatically puts it at Adept 2, and addes an additional small benifit"?</P> <P>This would make me feel better for thinking that Balok's and Anger were on different timers after just using Anger Adept 1 before the patch, lol.</P> <P>Thanks in advance!</P>

[asteldian]

<DIV>When you get the skill you are told  its Adept2, the skill is on the same timer as the original skill its based on so you cant use both</DIV>