Meanies!

[DanielAtchison]

Is it just me or the MT's in raiding guilds start to get mad and hateful after a few raids/months?I have been the 2nd tank in a few guild and always noticed that the MT's of the guildsi was in are hateful and always yelling. Now i moved made my own guild that raids T7 and i am doing the same thing as the othertanks were doing.... is that cuz some of the people in the guild are slow or dont know w/t/f theyare doing... Can some1 tell me if thats true or is it just some tanks that do that? cuz i have never been like this b4 tilla few days ago....lol<div></div>

[EpokSilvermo]

<div></div>I always use CAPS for important commands in /raidsay when I'm MT or RL and some raiders may think that means I yell but it's not <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />P.S.: Your signature is hillarious!! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by butchrulez on <span class=date_text>01-26-2007</span> <span class=time_text>04:48 PM</span>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

<div></div><p><span>I have actually been noticing that about my self on raids... I MT for a casual raiding guild, we only raid 4 days a week 4 hours per day and when I got the "job" I was happy and upbeat but I find my self snapping at people sometimes now, but I think it has something to do with people expect perfection from you and you do your best to deliver just that, but when you have 23 people in your back who don’t put in the same effort every time its hard to stay upbeat, especially when people starts to get demanding and you see them time after time screwing up them selves :smileyvery-happy:But here is a tip for you, have windows media player up and the Benny Hill sound track ready to play as SOON as you wipe and BLAST it in to ventrillo or Teamspeak if you use either, that cheers me right up [Removed for Content]</span></p>

[Deluxe05]

You are the front line. You are tasked with controlling or gaining control in just about any situation that may arise. And, most MTs have an inherent belief that they must do whatever they can to save anyone within a raid/group.We have first hand exposure to healers that slack; especially while standing there stifled, stuned, rooted, Debilitated, etc.We have first hand exposure to healers that cannot seem to grasp the concept that they are a healer first & foremost. Standing there & nuking for whatever little bit of damage you can may cut the fight by a few seconds. But all of the "helpful" nuking in the world does no good if you let real DPSers and/or the MT die.We have first hand exposure to DPSers (melee or casters alike) that are over-zealous.We have first hand exposure to those people that run around like second grader pumped full of Jolt Cola & Pixie Stix when they get aggro.All of these situations and many, many more fall on our laps. And we carry a large portion of the responsibility in adjusting to the situation & recovering control.  Over time, this can take its toll.Speaking for myself, I fail to understand how someone can level a toon to 70, and still not grasp game mechanics and/or how to play their own character. If I as a Guardian have to tell you as a <insert other character class here> how to play that character, something is wrong. If I as a Guardian have to tell you not to stand in front of a mob & swing your princess fairy wand at it--while eating a continuous string of riposte damage--something is wrong.Volumes could be written on the subject.  Best thing you can do is find a group/guild that knows their jobs, communicates well, and life becomes immeasureably better!!<div></div>

[Ep]

I attribute it to "big head" syndrome. If you let yourself get a big head, then thats what happens. Sure it may not just be you that let it happens, it'll inevitably be w/ the assistance of your raid force. They'll want you, they'll need you, they'll depend on you, and that'll just feed to the "big head" syndrome. If you let your big head get out of control and whack that's where crazy stuff will happen, keepin the "big head" in check is something to keep mindful of.It's hard to explain and even harder to understand the full mechanics and dynamics of how big head syndrome arises, but when your the center of attention every raid, just b/c of the very nature of the game and raid, how there "has" to be a MT. Well, just look into that.<div></div>

[Raahl]

<P>I hate you...  :smileywink:  J/K</P> <P>I think is has to do with the job of the MT.  It's a lot of resposibilty being the MT, some people may be stressing a little.</P> <P>The only time I get a little peeved is when off-tanks start taunting.  </P>

[MilkToa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gumse wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN>I have actually been noticing that about my self on raids... I MT for a casual raiding guild, we only raid 4 days a week 4 hours per day and when I got the "job" I was happy and upbeat but I find my self snapping at people sometimes now, but I think it has something to do with people expect perfection from you and you do your best to deliver just that, but when you have 23 people in your back who don’t put in the same effort every time its hard to stay upbeat, especially when people starts to get demanding and you see them time after time screwing up them selves :smileyvery-happy:<BR><BR>But here is a tip for you, have windows media player up and the Benny Hill sound track ready to play as SOON as you wipe and BLAST it in to ventrillo or Teamspeak if you use either, that cheers me right up [Removed for Content]</SPAN></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah, Guzz went from being Mr Sweet andLovable to Lord Flaming [I cannot control my vocabulary] after a few months as MT. He yelled at me so many times I had to leave the guild (and game) and enter therapy :smileysad:</P> <P> </P>

[Jackula]

Sometimes it may be "big head" syndrome, but I too think the bigger contributor is when you are the tank you are very responsible.  The spot light shines on you.  Examples:- That mage in the back with no attention span, some grey gear, and a big nuke can wiggle his fingers and nuke right after you body pull... and it's your fault for not locking down agro fast enough.  - The healer is in tells with their very best friend about the latest episode of some stupid tv show and forgest to cure your massive trauma and you die... and it's your fault for not having good enough gear.- You used rescue last fight to save Lifeburning necro #1 so its recast timer isn't ready this fight to save overzealous Warlock #1 so they die... and it's your fault because you didn't save them.- Being the tank, for most of your career you actually had to be the toon up front, knowing the way, leading... not afk on /follow, so it get's frustrating when players can't find their [Removed for Content] with a mirror.- You come to battle with a full array of totems, cures, buff potions, repair kits, back up gear, resist gear as well as having the best gear and combart arts you can get.  You have to do so to be exceptional, or at least as good as you can.  Alot of other classes don't.  O look... a healer.  Her toon has two legs.  Invite her.  We need her.  You don't find out all her heals are only upgraded to apprentice 2 until you've wiped.- Your squishy caster insists on running past you into mobs constantly, bringing adds or at the very least getting hit before you do and can't figure out why you are frustrated- etcSo yeah, some tanks have a big head.  Often times that big head is caused by high blood pressure, given to tanks free of charge by other players.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Max122]

<DIV>I think is just inheriant to the position.  I was warlock for a long time then as KoS was out we starting losing tanks and I brought out my Guardian to help out and now am the MT most all the time.  Even if your not a raid leader you know giving out the general commands you better be vocal.  People need to know when all is about to go down and sometimes talking nice doesnt get their attention.  A good shout over vent or teamspeak will wake someone up.  Specially if you see just say one person screwing around single out their name they wont do it again well atleast not for awhile.  Also I think this contributes to alot of MTs getting burned out.  Ive seen tons leave now they may return later but wow I would say MTs are the highest burnout rate of any.  Wonder if anyone else has noticed this.  I went through a patch where I was dreading logging in to tank night after night.  Things have picked back up and are alot better again I didnt leave thankfully but was ever so close.</DIV>

[Aaeamyen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> countjackula wrote:<BR>Sometimes it may be "big head" syndrome, but I too think the bigger contributor is when you are the tank you are very responsible.  The spot light shines on you.  Examples:<BR><BR>- That mage in the back with no attention span, some grey gear, and a big nuke can wiggle his fingers and nuke right after you body pull... and it's your fault for not locking down agro fast enough.  <BR>- The healer is in tells with their very best friend about the latest episode of some stupid tv show and forgest to cure your massive trauma and you die... and it's your fault for not having good enough gear.<BR>- You used rescue last fight to save Lifeburning necro #1 so its recast timer isn't ready this fight to save overzealous Warlock #1 so they die... and it's your fault because you didn't save them.<BR>- Being the tank, for most of your career you actually had to be the toon up front, knowing the way, leading... not afk on /follow, so it get's frustrating when players can't find their [Removed for Content] with a mirror.<BR>- You come to battle with a full array of totems, cures, buff potions, repair kits, back up gear, resist gear as well as having the best gear and combart arts you can get.  You have to do so to be exceptional, or at least as good as you can.  Alot of other classes don't.  O look... a healer.  Her toon has two legs.  Invite her.  We need her.  You don't find out all her heals are only upgraded to apprentice 2 until you've wiped.<BR>- Your squishy caster insists on running past you into mobs constantly, bringing adds or at the very least getting hit before you do and can't figure out why you are frustrated<BR>- etc<BR><BR>So yeah, some tanks have a big head.  Often times that big head is caused by high blood pressure, given to tanks free of charge by other players.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>HAHA That is great!</P> <P> </P> <P>Burn out?  Try and burn me out!  /ROAR<BR></P>

[BoneSmasher]

<P>Mods please sticky this thread so I can come back from time to time and read it again every time I think my "big head" is gonna explode from frustration for all the reasons posted.</P> <P> </P> <P>This is some funny stuff!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

I know all about having a big head ...<img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/437/387.JPG"><span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Deluxe05]

/cheer for /cutemode!! (should've turned on the helm! <span>:smileytongue:</span> )I love my 70 Guardian. But it is kind of like the stories in Greek mythology...the highest of highs & the lowest of lows. Thankfully, I've got a 70 Warden & 70 Swashbuckler to mix things up a bit & keep from being a frequent sufferer of MT burn-out.<div></div>

[Nahalar]

<DIV>Best sig ever!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, and, we just get frustrated over people not knowing their class, and you cant tell them to RTFM...since there is none. When the off-tank guardian is in top 3 DPS...constantly...there is a problem.</DIV>

[Anfauglith]

As already said, as a MT, you're first seat to see any mistake done by nearly anyone else...which can become frustrating sometimes (like no pre wards, reactives on a named pull...:roll<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But also, beeing a MT is the most intense job in a raid...you need to pre buff yourself, pull without adds, position, keep aggro on that wizard that engage with ice nova and fusion, make sure your position allows the rangers to use their backstabing shots...(and that's only about the first 3 seconds of the fight) which can be pretty stressfull sometimes and tends to make you accept others mistake even less. An adivse for any guild if you don't wanna loose your MT, regularly switch MT and 2nd...it'll allow each of them to have fun MTing...and relax as 2nd

[Jakub]

Being MT is stressful lol. You want to do a good job but cant do everything. And whether or not your the RL you are the leader of the raid. You say when mobs are pulled and where they are pulled too. You control the pace the action when the main body can start attacking and so forth. So yes, it is stressful. But I have found it also to be most rewarding.

[PyroTFA]

I havent started yelling yet, I do however make it very apparent when im unsatisfied with peoples action, like when people ninja afk, I start using a more stern voice. Im sure the yelling will come soon enough though, and another tank in my guild 3rd or so just is a yeller too.

[Ep]

If your taking on the added burden of being a raid leader, don't. Just pull, tank, position and give out strats. Let some other guy deal with loot, afk's, aggro idioticy, group set up and all that stuff. Really just make some guy raid leader, he doesn't have to be the "raid leader" per say, just like your secretary. Call out in ts for him to invite whoever, make him swap groups, make him loot...