Flay(Master 1)

[Jeffmaster]

<DIV>How much would that be worth, is it a rare one?</DIV>

[lostsandman]

semi rare i guess but i paid 10p. Seen few for sale on my server

[JimmyMa]

12p for the only one on the everfrost broker...But I always thought it was one of the common ones though.<div></div>

[Sir_Halbarad]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jeffmaster wrote:<div>How much would that be worth, is it a rare one?</div><hr></blockquote>I chose the easy way and bought Protection Master I cheap (it's cheap on our server) and picker Flay Master II choice.</div>

[wes_GS]

<P>I also took Flay master2 and Protection master1.  For one, Im on a pvp server and can use the extra damage on a big hit.  Second of all since hate is a 1:1 ratio with damage, this is a large single target taunt in PvE.  For the most part, I am working to hold as much agro as possible against a single target (raid mob).  With the amount of resists we are seeing on the taunts right now, im usually hitting my big attacks before even trying the taunts and having the extra damage here really helps.</P> <P> </P>

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

<DIV>Flay seems the definite way to go now - Besiege had fairly equal merit before EoF, but with AA, you'll be using the single target version of Besiege more often than the AE. You can also enhance Flay directly with AA to get another 30%, amplifying the extra damage. With taunts getting resisted, having a 2500+ hit is a real help.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Protection is much better bought, since M2 offers only a few dozen more hate and the same resistability. It's also dirt cheap.</DIV>

[Jackula]

I agree.  The difference in hate between Protection Master I & II is only 30-odd points of hate.  I my respecced my trait choices for 1s and much prefer having Flay at Master II.  That said, you could get 10p  easily for a master 1 Flay on my server (Nektulos) I'm sure.<div></div>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

<div></div><p><span>Keep in mind that you get 43% resistibility by having Master II Protection</span></p>

[Jackula]

Yes, but Master I is 41%.   It's only a 2% difference in resistability which I think is fairly negligable.<div></div>

[Guzz_Deaths_Door_EF]

<div></div><p><span>I will take all I can get at this point, every 20 sec I get 30 more hate on the encounter and 2% more of a chance to land it, it is not much but I wouldn’t go any other way</span></p>

[lostsandman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TuinalOfTheNexus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Flay seems the definite way to go now - Besiege had fairly equal merit before EoF, but with AA, you'll be using the single target version of Besiege more often than the AE. You can also enhance Flay directly with AA to get another 30%, amplifying the extra damage. With taunts getting resisted, having a 2500+ hit is a real help.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Protection is much better bought, since M2 offers only a few dozen more hate and the same resistability. It's also dirt cheap.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I took Besiege M2 and at that time there were hardly any M1 version of it on my server. I still think its good choice since it can hit for something like 500 -  1k. Most trash come in 3 or 4 per encounter and if u are luck (crit from str line helps alot) you can hit well over 1k on each target and that 3k -4k dmage in total and given all the hate buffs mt has that lot of hate...<p>Message Edited by lostsandman on <span class=date_text>12-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:52 PM</span>

[EpokSilvermo]

<div><blockquote><hr>lostsandman wrote:<div></div> <div></div>I took Besiege M2 and at that time there were hardly any M1 version of it on my server. I still think its good choice since it can hit for something like 500 -  1k.<hr></blockquote>Same here, I got Protection M1 from a friend and respected to Besiege M2.Executioners Axe + Besiege = Warlocks live longer <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></div>

[matinisback]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> butchrulez wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lostsandman wrote:<BR> <BR>I took Besiege M2 and at that time there were hardly any M1 version of it on my server. I still think its good choice since it can hit for something like 500 -  1k. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Same here, I got Protection M1 from a friend and respected to Besiege M2.<BR><BR>Executioners Axe + Besiege = Warlocks live longer <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:</SPAN><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>:smileyvery-happy:

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

<P>I'm just saying since I got 5 points in Lay Waste I find myself hitting Besiege far less. Not just on single targets; if there's only 2 mobs then you can use Lay Waste and autoattack twice in the time Besiege would have taken to use, for more damage in total.</P> <P>I usually reserve Beseige for about 20% of fights where there are either lots of mobs or I need to use it with Reinforcement and Dragoon Spin to snap aggro. Flay, on the other hand, I use every time it comes up. I thus stand by it as the best choice of M2, assuming you have all CAs at M1.</P>