Taunt Resists are Up since EoF

[Wilin]

I got alot more resists on my taunts last night that I didn't get before. Usually about 1/4 of them on yellow mobs.Protection is Master 2 and Confront is Master 1.

[notyou]

I noticed the same. Also with the DPS decrease I was wondering how I could parse much lower with a tower shield equipped. I just hope I'm mistaken and I parse the same as I usually do at our next raid. I don't really remember what I'm supposed to parse at in groups. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[Kule]

Master and Master2 taunts being resisted a lot, I confirm.Undoubtedly has to do with a lower resist total being a little more effective; Warrior taunts are checked against Mental resist to calculate an outright resist.Needs to be fixed with the increases in DPS we're going to be seeing here soon.<div></div>

[Kreagan De'Unerro]

<P>I agree, I was resisted a ton last night in OoB. never really lost agro still since my group always usually has a coercer+assasin,dirge or swashy.</P> <P>NP doing the zone though with 1 druid healer.</P>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>Yup, same here in Mistmore Castle. Seemed like 1/6 resists on all four of my Master taunt spells.</P> <P>I hope this gets adjusted, otherwise it could get ugly. (Thinking dead swishys and all).</P> <P>Had a swashbuckler in group btw.</P>

[Lyrus]

I noticed alot of resists in mistmoore castle on taunts, and I'd say that the majority of my inflaming defense hate procs were being resisted as well.  Not that holding agro was all too much of a problem, but the whole taunt resist mechanic leaves an extremely bad taste in my mouth, especially moreso now.<div></div>

[Gungo]

Confirmed on all fighters. I just hope they apply more disruption on fighter gear as that lowers taunt resist.

[Sir_Halbarad]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gungo wrote:<div></div>Confirmed on all fighters. I just hope they apply more disruption on fighter gear as that lowers taunt resist.<hr></blockquote>Didn't know that... If it was based on disruption - wouldnt Crusaders have far less taunt resists?</div>

[Kule]

<div>Just out of curiosity, what do you base this on?You would think that not having the skill, it wouldn't work that well; Wouldn't using taunts then raise disruption skill?<blockquote><hr><font color="#999999">Gungo wrote:</font><font color="#999999"></font><font color="#999999">Confirmed on all fighters. I just hope they apply more disruption on fighter gear as that lowers taunt resist.</font><hr></blockquote></div>

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kuleon wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just out of curiosity, what do you base this on?<BR>You would think that not having the skill, it wouldn't work that well; Wouldn't using taunts then raise disruption skill?<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <FONT color=#999999>Gungo wrote:</FONT><FONT color=#999999><BR></FONT><FONT color=#999999>Confirmed on all fighters. I just hope they apply more disruption on fighter gear as that lowers taunt resist.</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>on 2 things that fact that taunts make spell proc items work (just for info the innoruk cloak power proc works off taunts) AND this dev qoute.</P> <P>"That is correct:  Disruption / Subjugation affects the resist rates of a mob when casting a hostile spell.  The higher your skill the less resists you will see.  Combine that with a higher quality spell such as an Adept I, Adept III, or Master I and debuffs to mob resistances and you'll see a considerable drop in resist rates.<BR><BR>All skills and skill bonuses became more significant within the changes to the combat mechanics."<BR><BR></P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>11-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:17 PM</span>

[Sir_Halbarad]

If this is true... then we need 1 of 2 changes:Change Taunts not depending on disruption skill ORGive Fighters the disruption skill.<div></div>

[Gungo]

<P>I would rather they give us disruption skill and have soem tiems w + disruption. </P> <P>0 disruption = no change from live but + disruption can equal up to 20% less taunt resists</P>

[lostsandman]

<P>Went to Nizara last night with the grp who can clear the zone with easy before, but last night taunts were being resisted left right and center. </P> <P>Its not just tuants btw, our chanter who can normally keep the mobs mezed was getting like 7 or 8 mez resists in row. It was painful run to say the least.</P>

[Kule]

<div>Yep, my coercer bud was telling me this, but they can increase thier effectiveness through AA.Which makes me ask, how many other tank classes have something that alters thier taunts, either the reuse or the resistability? Atleast 3.. Perhaps this is intentional to allow other tanking classes move ahead in hate generation...<blockquote><hr>lostsandman wrote:<div></div> <p>Went to Nizara last night with the grp who can clear the zone with easy before, but last night taunts were being resisted left right and center. </p> <p>Its not just tuants btw, our chanter who can normally keep the mobs mezed was getting like 7 or 8 mez resists in row. It was painful run to say the least.</p><hr></blockquote></div>

[aias]

<P>This disruption skill, as we far as I am aware, was non-existant for warriors.  Now we have to boost disruption to lower the resistance to our taunts.  Am I correct?</P> <P>Any ideas how to beef up disruption or what available items exist  that would increase it?  Is there a disruption cap?</P> <P>This disruption skill has thrown me for a loop.  :robotsad:</P>

[Docimodo]

maybe a stab in the dark but armour set bonuses?

[Gungo]

<P>Give the devs a bit to look into it before you start throwing away your plate and putting on caster gear. Taunts are considered a mental spell and as far as i see affected by the disruption skill. Get a troubador and put him in group run his skill song (dove i think) and see your taunts resist less. lets see what the devs intend to do to fix this. Hopefully they add the disruption skill to our persona and put more disruption on gear. the reason i prefer this is because using the disruption skill can lower resist by 20% at max skill.</P> <P>Especially for gaurdians if disruption affects your defensive hate proc buff it may actually make that buff resist less. Considering is a low level spell w no relative increase in resistance w quality unlike traditional taunts. </P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>11-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:15 PM</span>

[Keavea]

<DIV>Basicly .. they nerfed the taunts .. so we could put AA into it to get it back as it was pre Eof hmmm... why giving us a new line then , i am not complaining playin Since day 1 i have been trough 3 combat revamp, we wil again learn and adjust on how to tank and keep agro </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.s: Curious about next combat revamp :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Gungo]

It wasn't a taunt specific nerf. It was a skill nerf because casters complained spell skills and offensive skills where menaingless. Well they have a WHOLE lot more meaning now. The side effect was taunts were always considered spells and got batched into the whole combat revamp.

[aias]

What have your experiences been on epic encounters?  What did you observe on pull?  What adjustments were made if any?

[notyou]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Keavea wrote:<div>Basicly .. they nerfed the taunts .. so we could put AA into it to get it back as it was pre Eof hmmm... why giving us a new line then , i am not complaining playin Since day 1 i have been trough 3 combat revamp, we wil again learn and adjust on how to tank and keep agro </div> <div> </div> <div>P.s: Curious about next combat revamp :smileyhappy:</div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, thats basically it, except across the board. They nerfed everyone's CAs and spells so we could get it back by going through 50 more AA's. Basically they couldn't figure out what to give us different, so we have to relearn everything we knew before.

[Memmoch]

Bad customer relations imo... <div></div>

[skril]

<DIV>Its true tho tuants on my 70 guard no less than adept 3 on all taunts and I get resists out the whazoo.  Same could be said for my troub not mastered or adept 3ed out but still its resist after resist the little dps that he did is gone now!</DIV>