Rallos Zek vs Mithaniel Marr.

[Plaz]

<DIV>Rallos Zek <P><B>Rallos Zek</B> is also known as <I>The Warlord</I>. Rallos Zek is allied with Innoruuk and Cazic-Thule, enemy to Quellious and Bertoxxulous. The followers of Rallos Zek, the Warlord, believe in survival of the strong and death to the weak. The heart of a true follower of Zek yearns for strength, courage, but above all, victory. They believe that the heat of battle is the only place and time where enlightenment can be gained, that the universe was formed by conflict and in conflict it will end, with the victors feasting upon the remains of their fallen enemy. No respect or regard is given to the dead, for if they were worthy their hearts would still pump blood through their veins and not upon the soil of Norrath. The followers of Zek are almost exclusively warriors.</P> <P>He is responsible for creating the <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcs" target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>orcs</FONT></U></A>, <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_%28mythology%29" target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>giants</FONT></U></A>, and <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogres" target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>ogres</FONT></U></A> within the world. In the <I><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scars_of_Velious" target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>Scars of Velious</FONT></U></A></I> expansion, there was a Statue of Rallos Zek that could be fought in the city of Kael Drakkal. Upon its defeat, one could fight the Avatar of War. In <I><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Planes_of_Power" target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>The Planes of Power</FONT></U></A></I> expansion, Rallos Zek appeared as a fightable enemy in the Plane of Tactics and the Plane of Time. The statue, the Avatar of War, and Rallos Zek himself are all extremely powerful enemies, requiring large numbers of players to defeat.</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k157/plaz_35/rallos-zek.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P><STRONG>Mithaniel Marr</STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>Mithaniel Marr</STRONG> is also known as <I>The Truthbringer</I>. He is the god of honor and valor. Mithaniel is the ultimate <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin" target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>paladin</FONT></U></A> who wears a full suit of shining silver plate armor and wields a glowing longsword. Mithaniel Marr, who owes his existence to Tarew Marr, leader of the Triumvirate of Water, is allied with Erollisi Marr and Karana. He counts Innoruuk, Cazic-Thule, and Bertoxxulous among his enemies. He has a friendly rivalry with Solusek Ro.</P> <P>In <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Planes_of_Power" target=_blank><U><FONT color=#0000ff>The Planes of Power</FONT></U></A> expansion, <B>Mithaniel Marr</B> was able to be fought and killed. He resides in The Temple of Marr, which sits at the end of the Halls of Honor. To gain access, one must first pass three trials, and slay <B>Aerin`Darr</B> in The Plane of Valor.</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k157/plaz_35/Lord_Mithaniel_marr.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P>With this new Beliefs coming out soon most of us Guardians would think to go with Rallos Zek.Now i have been thinking about this a little to much and for us Guardians that are good and evil we might have to convert to good or evil to get the best Belief line.From what i have seen so far out of the 2 quests that we got so far is the 1st set had Marr and good Guardians got a 500hp buff.On the 2nd set was of war = Rallos evil Guardians got a haste buff that can not be used on Epics.From the looks of it i am thinking that Marr might be the best pic for guardians and Rallos might be the best pic for Zerkers.</P> <P>So with that said let me hear your thoughts on it.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P></DIV>

[Original Cinadien]

<P>I will always side with evil. Do you remember how [Removed for Content] Mith Marr was? Rallos Zek (both versions) were the thorn in many guilds side during PoP in eq1. Im going with RZ unless it will effect our raids and even then I will fight tooth and nail with the dev's until it's fixed.</P>

[Magicmind]

I think It really depends on whether you are good or evil based.   It would be nice to see Marr become a little less paladin based and a little more warrior based as between guardians and paladins the thing they have most in common is they are both warriors.

[Mentin]

<P>It really is useless to speculate. In 2 months we'll know the details.</P> <P>Another question is if the belief system will be worth using at all. Devs have said it will give temporary boosts that we will have to pay to use, just like the eq1 stuff. Unless the effects are really good they might not be worth the effort, at least not for anything less than the biggest bosses.</P> <P>Since really good effects tends to unbalance the game they are unlikely to be very good <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Mentin on <span class=date_text>09-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:14 AM</span>

[BetaMaster]

<DIV>I'm gonna have to betray to exile with my guardian to do Rallos Zek but it's worth it</DIV>

[Koilla]

<DIV>anyone got clearer info on the "Beliefe-System"?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>first time i hear of this thing. maybe there´s allready an existing post to that...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hopefully the qeynos guardians are also able to pick the RZ-line (if i might call it that). i do aggree that this "beliefe-system" needs to be tested in raids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>500hp isnt worth the effort if you are doing raids, nor is it a haste which wont work on epic targets hrmfp</DIV>

[Ruwen71]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BetaMaster wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm gonna have to betray to exile with my guardian to do Rallos Zek but it's worth it</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The city of Freeport shall rejoice when the mighty Adomidable once again stands beside it's citizens and fights for the Overlord.</P> <P>It would be cool to see your pastey mug in Big Bend again....</P>

[Terron]

Why would you think most Guardians would go with Zek? <div></div><div></div><p>Message Edited by pjackson on <span class=date_text>09-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:44 AM</span>

[Original Cinadien]

<DIV>Hmm, maybe becuase Mith Marr is a Pally and one of the weakest Raid Mobs in Eq lore history.</DIV>

[Terron]

<blockquote><hr>Original Cinadien wrote:<div>Hmm, maybe becuase Mith Marr is a Pally and one of the weakest Raid Mobs in Eq lore history.</div><hr></blockquote>So you have something against paladins and would prefer to fight a weak raid mob rather than a strong one <span>:smileyhappy:</span> Mith Marr just sounds so much more appealing to me (except when talking to some Froglock NPCs). <div></div>

[Original Cinadien]

<DIV>I understand what you are trying to say but it comes down to "belief system" and honestly, I dont see this being a major deal just personally if I am asked to "follow" the teachings of anyone, I will always side with evil and the mentality that only the strong survive. Hence the fact that I choose not to live in Disneyland err Qeynos.</DIV>

[Illmarr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pjackson wrote:<BR>Why would you think most Guardians would go with Zek?<BR> <P>Message Edited by pjackson on <SPAN class=date_text>09-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:44 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Guardians are decendants of Warriors. Every race save Vah Shir allowed Warriors of that race to worship Ralloz Zek. More worshipped Rallos than any other God if they chose to worship at all. Paladins worship MM. Warriors and Paladins have a long standing "friendly" rivalry through all of Norrath's history. True Warriors would be insulted being lumped together in a generic mass of MM worshippers. ( Though admittedly that last is a personal opinion from a r/p standpoint)<p>Message Edited by Illmarr on <span class=date_text>09-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:43 PM</span>

[Sir_Halbarad]

Orcs worship Zek... you want to be like an orc? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Illmarr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sir_Halbarad wrote:<BR>Orcs worship Zek... you want to be like an orc? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gnolls worship Brell so I guess Dwarves and Gnomes shouldn't then by that logic. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jackula]

Looking at the screenshots from EQLive, I can't help but wonder, "Why would I want to pray to one of The Transformers?"<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Sir_Halbarad]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Illmarr wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sir_Halbarad wrote:<BR>Orcs worship Zek... you want to be like an orc? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gnolls worship Brell so I guess Dwarves and Gnomes shouldn't then by that logic. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gnolls, dwarves, gnomes... That's 3 names for the same thing? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Illmarr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sir_Halbarad wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Illmarr wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sir_Halbarad wrote:<BR>Orcs worship Zek... you want to be like an orc? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gnolls worship Brell so I guess Dwarves and Gnomes shouldn't then by that logic. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Gnolls, dwarves, gnomes... That's 3 names for the same thing? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>When you put it that way...:smileysurprised:

[Finedo]

sucks Rallos Zek evil only guess i going goddles<div></div>

[Plaz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Finedorf wrote:<BR>sucks Rallos Zek evil only guess i going goddles<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you can always exile.........................join us............Muwhahahahaa !!!!!! :smileytongue:

[Terron]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Original Cinadien wrote:<div>I understand what you are trying to say but it comes down to "belief system" and honestly, I dont see this being a major deal just personally if I am asked to "follow" the teachings of anyone, I will always side with evil and the mentality that only the strong survive. Hence the fact that I choose not to live in Disneyland err Qeynos.</div><hr></blockquote>The idea that only the strong survive seems opposed to the way guardians are supposed to protect the weak. Personnally I would always side with good and so will my guard, who also prefers not to live in a slum. <span>:smileyhappy:</span> My troll SK on the other hand ... <span>:smileyvery-happy: He thinks the only thing wrong with Freeport is that they won't let you eat gnomes (though he is partial to an occational pickle) <span>:smileywink:</span> </span><div></div><p>Message Edited by pjackson on <span class="date_text">09-27-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:38 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by pjackson on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:40 AM</span>

[Illmarr]

I always thought of Guardians as guarding/protecting the ideal they believe in. You see Guardian of xxxxxxxx or A xxxxxxx Guardian everywhere. Not always associated with a good alignment. Sure Guardians can protect the weak as they wish, but it's not listed as a must do in the Guardian manual.

[Sir_Halbarad]

The big question is what impact your deity/belief has...Will it be fluff like in EQ1? There really wasn't any major benefit from choosing one deity vs. the other. In EQ1's system there couldn't be though since you had race - class - deity restrictions.I think if they align any benefit (as minor as it might be) to the chosen god, they make it how they did the master strikes. Occasional nice benefits, but nothing class-breaking if you made the "wrong" choice.Now here is the question... will you be able to "respec" your belief? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I want to believe in Buddha... Jesus... Mohammed... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], next respec costs 1p <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Plaz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Sir_Halbarad wrote:</P> <P><BR>Now here is the question... will you be able to "respec" your belief? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>i cant see why you would not be able to respec your belief..<BR>

[Illmarr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sir_Halbarad wrote:<BR>The big question is what impact your deity/belief has...<BR><BR>Will it be fluff like in EQ1? There really wasn't any major benefit from choosing one deity vs. the other. In EQ1's system there couldn't be though since you had race - class - deity restrictions.<BR><BR>I think if they align any benefit (as minor as it might be) to the chosen god, they make it how they did the master strikes. Occasional nice benefits, but nothing class-breaking if you made the "wrong" choice.<BR><BR>Now here is the question... will you be able to "respec" your belief? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>I want to believe in Buddha... Jesus... Mohammed... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], next respec costs 1p <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They have said Diety worship will be faction based, so it's believed that you can change belief by raising/lowering factions

[Terron]

<blockquote><hr>Illmarr wrote:<div></div>I always thought of Guardians as guarding/protecting the ideal they believe in. You see Guardian of xxxxxxxx or A xxxxxxx Guardian everywhere. Not always associated with a good alignment. Sure Guardians can protect the weak as they wish, but it's not listed as a must do in the Guardian manual.<hr></blockquote>It depends on how you define 'weak' <span>:smileyhappy:</span> It is in the manual that guardians are supposed to protect other members of their groups, that is the ones who are weak enough to need protection. Guardian as a class certainly do not have to have an ideal they believe in. Nor is everyone/everything that has the job of guarding something a member of the class.<div></div>

[Illmarr]

<P>In the context of above I submit the Guardian and his "weaker" caster allies as a monolithic entity (Group, raid, Guild, whatever) that go out and make war on the weak (mobs dropping treasure)</P> <P> </P> <P>No, as a class they don't have to believe in anything. But the whole topic is a discussion over worshipping MM or RZ, so I'm going from the premise that we're discussing the belief merits of one or the other.</P><p>Message Edited by Illmarr on <span class=date_text>09-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:06 AM</span>

[eyes007]

<P>Mithaniel Marr may be the embodiment of Paladins and by his very presence induces others to worship him devoutly (like a fanatic should), but read his title "God of Valor", not God of Paladins, God of Weak-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] raid mobs in EQ1 or anything like that.</P> <P>This is EQ2, and should no way draw comparisons to Raid mobs in EQ1, look at all the guards in Qeynos, if they don't look like Guardians or Berserkers then tell me what does, point being can you see them worshipping Tunare or Quellious??! Even if we were to compare the 2 games, Mithaniel Marr created not just the frogloks, but also the barbarians, did you ever hear of a barbarian paladin in EQ1, no? How about a barbarian warrior? OH yes, thats right! There were barbarian warriors, not only that but barbarians were the most hardy of all the races and were known for their ferocity in battle and their stark determination and grit. Why do you think the Berserker class was created in EQ1? </P> <P>Do not be put off from choosing Mithaniel Marr just because some clown thinks to associate Mithaniel with those fanatic paladins based on the Orders created to serve him (Order of Marr etc.). Read he lore and make a decision based on your own research, one thing I would suggest is DON'T choose no one, I have a strong feeling you will be severely gimped in the buff department.</P>

[Illmarr]

<P>The Berserker class was created so non-raiders would have a reason to buy GoD and to [Removed for Content] off everyone in the DPS hierachy.</P> <P>How many Barbarians worshipped their co-creator MM in EQ again? I remember all of us either going Tribunal for racial r/p., RZ for Class rp, or agnostic for the easy faction button. But if you want every edge possible, pick some God to worship definately. What works for one person won't for another, and vice versa</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[eyes007]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Illmarr wrote:<BR> <P>The Berserker class was created so non-raiders would have a reason to buy GoD and to [Removed for Content] off everyone in the DPS hierachy.</P> <P>How many Barbarians worshipped their co-creator MM in EQ again? I remember all of us either going Tribunal for racial r/p., RZ for Class rp, or agnostic for the easy faction button. But if you want every edge possible, pick some God to worship definately. <FONT color=#66ff00>What works for one person won't for another, and vice versa</FONT></P> <P> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ha..you're just being cynical (perhaps realistic as well) but the points are still valid, people have a choice to make, whether they choose MM or RZ is immaterial, at least they have enough info to know MM isn't exactly a bad choice. The last sentence you said is exactly what I was saying, you're talking about your own experiences as a barbarian, where mine were worshipping Mithaniel Marr (being a Paladin predominantly but as a barbarian warrior I maintained the honor and valor aspect, something a follower of Rallos Zek wouldn't do - valor maybe, honor, yea right).

[Sir_Halbarad]

Its actually pretty easy i think...There are gods for Freeport scums <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />There are gods for Qeynos treehuggers <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />There are neutral gods.You can choose a deity from either your or the neutral side.You earn favour with them by doing quests or donating items.For this favour you can buy buffs.EQ1 has this system - not sure of the exact name. The difference is that EQ1's buffs couldn't be cancelled, the buffs in EQ2 are supposed to be clickable.Like Guild Lvl 50 purchases. Buy them once, have them in your pack for the situation (raid) it is needed, click it.<div></div>

[Illmarr]

It was called Tribute in EQ. a while after it was introduced it was made toggleable on and off while in the field, but it was all buffs on or all buffs off. To change your buff line-up you had to go back to your home city and see the Tribute Master.

[Sir_Halbarad]

Aye, that's what I meant. Left EQ shortly after they introduced tribute so didn't remember the name too well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[JNewby]

<DIV>hrm well all I know if i am a evil guadian and i will be pretty ticked if I get some useless ahste spell over 500 hp.. that is jsut really unfair.. the equivlant would be like mit or something.. and no I cant betray being I got all amsters.. taht woudl jsyut be a total waste</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[DanielAtchison]

so all in all, does either or any gods give anything to your play or they just a person you follow? <div></div>

[Waking]

So its probably not a good idea to choose your deity, according to what you think of their worshippers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Landiin]

Comm'on we're talking about EQ2 here! They are not going to make one side better then the other.. This game is all about balance right <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>