Race cap stats question.

[Grim_Wander]

<DIV>I am returning player and, and me and my guild from WoW are moving here. I play MT in WoW, and i decided to do some research on the races and stats etc. By the looks of things ogres looks mighty good as MT, however, i did some math with stat caps and i was surprised. What i found out was that based on Noah's sticky post about stats and caps was that a race with least starting stamina will have most hp. Now let me show you how i arrived at this: Take halfling for example 17 starting sta 20life, 3% hp trait vs say like ogre who has 25 sta and 35 starting life. Ok now the stamina cap is 510, and i assume i will have it capped when raiding, so doing the math based on Noah's hp breakdown per sta, we know this : <DIV><STRONG><U></U></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><U>Stamina breakdown effect on Hitpoints</U></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Pre 100 - 199 / 12.56 hps per sta</DIV> <DIV>200 - 419  / 4.415 hps per sta </DIV> <DIV>420 + /  sub 4 hps per sta</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Halfling starts with 17 stamina, so 199-17= 182 stamina times 12.56 we get 2285.92 hp, now going from 200 sta to 419 we get 220 times 4.415, we get 971.3hp, and finally going from 420  to 510 stamina we get 90 times 4 = 360 , adding it up we get 20 starting life plus 2285.92 plus 971.3 plus 360, total is 3637.22 hp, plus 3% racial trait. This is what halfling looks like when capped on stamina.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now the ogre: 25 base sta, so 199-25= 174 times 12.56 we get 2185.44 hp, going from 200 to 419 stamina and from 420 to 510 is the same value as above, so now we add it up again: 35 base life plus 2185.44+971.3+360, total is 3551.74, plus 3% racial hp.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now unless my math is wrong this shows that halfling would get more benefit from having low starting stamina when capped at 510. That 8 extra stamina the ogre starts with is nulified by the fact that in base- 199 stamina range we get 12.56 per stamina thus that 8 is actually 100.48 hp extra.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mathematically this makes sense, however logically.... yea... i won't go there. <STRONG>So here is my question</STRONG> is the above math correct assuming only stamina is a factor?(i know that ogres get 5 defense and 5 more as self buff etc, which i didn't assume for this).</DIV></DIV>

[Baldaena]

<DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV> <DIV>Now unless my math is wrong this shows that halfling would get more benefit from having low starting stamina when capped at 510. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV> <DIV>the cap's formula is  [base sta] + 7*[your level] </DIV> <DIV>see <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=98408&query.id=0#M98408" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=98408&query.id=0#M98408</A>&nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ogre 's cap is 25 + 490 = 515 </DIV> <DIV>Halfling 's cap is 17+ 490 = 507</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>besides Noah's numbers were pre LU13... a lot of things have changed since LU13.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Baldaena on <span class=date_text>09-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:25 PM</span>

[WolfSha]

<P>nm <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><p>Message Edited by WolfShark on <span class=date_text>09-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:40 AM</span>

[Grim_Wander]

I read that stat caps are 7 times level plus 20, now i wasn't sure if it was 20 for all races or each races base, i read some posts where people were saying they did not move past 20 even thou they had bigger base stats then 20. This makes sense races base+ 7 times lvl thou. Funny thing is if that is the case just from the example above i gave halfling is still ahead apparently after math, you said other things were changed, now did the hp per stamina change ? What is the ammount of hp a lvl 70 guardian gets from 1 sta point?  Is there an updated version of stat tier breakdowns ?<p>Message Edited by Grim_Wanderer on <span class=date_text>09-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:12 PM</span>

[BetaMaster]

<P>are you sure that ogre caps out at 515, cause mine has always seemed to cap at 510sta</P> <P>~Abomidable - Mistmoore</P> <P>~Lords of the Triple Moons</P>

[Grim_Wander]

<P>That is what i thought too, 510 is cap for all lvl 70 chars for stats, just kinda strange they way its handled, races with least stats get most benefit when capped out. It makes sense mathematically say even high elf and ogre for a quick example 10 str vs 30 , when capped that 20 str difference will mean 100 power more for elf ( str up to 75 gives 5 power/per 1 str, from Noah's guide). And this just doesn't seem right, even if values changed it won't matter, early stats (pre 100 etc) will always give more of a benefit then say 400+ in stat ( diminishing returns), so races with least stat will have bigger boost in the end. Its like saying whoa look the ogre's gotta be the best he's so buff n tough, but guess what, not by the numbers he ain't, weird, huh. I hope someone can shed some light on this... as this is just not right imo.</P>

[Jackula]

<div></div><div></div>If you're thinking in terms of min/maxing there is another thing to consider as well: Racial Traditions.  Not all are extremely useful, but some do make your chosen role easier.  It is something else for you to consider.<a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=Traditions" target="_blank">Racial Traditions</a>I prefer to balance my race choice on starting stats, traditions AND which toon I'd like to stare at for the next 100+ days as well.  I am postive there will always be a character with worse stat and racial  choices but far better gear than me.  One great piece of fabled could more than make up for the difference.   For example, if it is your hearts desire to play an Erudite guardian go for it.  EasternKing has proven it is quite possible to succeed with an unusual choice.<div></div><p><span class="date_text"></span><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by countjackula on <span class=date_text>09-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:55 PM</span>

[Wabit]

ogre 3% max HP > all for min maxing...  but you're ugly...

[Baldaena]

<P>I'm not utterly sure of the cap (My guardian has not maxed his str), I used this thread : <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=98408&query.id=0#M98408" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=98408&query.id=0#M98408</A> </P>