ideas to improve my DPS

[lostsandman]

On raids (i am not the tank) I do about 450 - 500 DPS. Sometime gone up to 600 DPS. Among fighter only zekers do more dps than me. They can do about 600+DPS on single target and about 700+DPS on multiple targets.I am trying to improve my DPS even more so I will appreciate any comments.I have returned to the game only recently after lu13 so i don't have the best gear yet. But this is what i use in dps modeQuested guardian hatT7 crafted shouldersClaymore BP (from the end SOS quest)T7 crafted forearmsGloves from denLegs from Poa dragonRelic bootsNeck item from SOS (drops in room of recovery got 23 str,sta etc)Quested ear piece with 25 str (form the orb collection quest)Dark chitin rings x 2Claymore wrist (30 all stats)Quests wrist (Aviak feather collection)2x 10 str dollsFBSS the 15% haste belti use dr 65+ 1h mace (the from hof)buckler from the named in vaultAA, right now i have 32 aa points and i have them in STA 448 , AGI 448.I can normally get about 650+ str (more than the cap)All my buffs are adp3 or master 1most of my damage CA are still adp1 (they need upgrade to adp3).Normally i start the fight with my Dots then Obliterate then Flay and other big damage CA. Then hos. Is there any thing i can do differently here?Thanks

[Sir_Halbarad]

<P>Of course you have capped your STR, which would have been my first advice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Well, one way would be to respecc the lvl 64 Master II choice.</P> <P>Normally Protection M1 is much cheaper than Flay M1 - because almost every Guard chooses Protection as M2 (and I think Protection M1 is more common).</P> <P>The difference between Protection M1 vs. M2 is small at best though. So buy the Protection M1 and respec to Flay M2.</P> <P>Then the high damage CA's should at least be A3: Obliterate, Retaliation Strike, Precise Strike.</P> <P>Another option would be to raise your INT during Raids - but only if you have enough procs. Since procs are spell damage (normally), int increases proc damage.</P> <P>This is what I can come up with apart from the normal "get a l33t weapon, d00d" <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Hope that helped.</P>

[black_cap]

upgrade all your CA's to ad 3, try to get the best 1/2 hander possible and try to get a haste item.  Also while in raid, try get yourself in the DPS grp if possible with a troub/inq(inq must give you buff).  You'll notice the difference then.<div></div>

[lostsandman]

i tried the /respec command to get flay at M2 but it does not work<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> is there anyway to get respec?also i got the 22% haste 2h sword from Hof yesterday but i am STA aa so not sure what to do ther as well...i got few spongy now so will be upgradying my ca tp adp3 soonhow much dps you guys do? is my dps ok for guardian?Also those of you who uses 2h wepaons (say sword) what AA line u have or recommend?Many thnaks<p>Message Edited by lostsandman on <span class=date_text>08-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:23 PM</span>

[Domiuk]

<DIV>1 Get a better 1h weapon beg, borrow, steal fabled 1handers on my server sell for 50 or so plat expensive yes but pretty much your best possible upgrade.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2 Haste you want 20+ haste from an item , there are lots get 1 of them. (not your sword)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3 DPS gear  +7 necklace from sos , acrylia str rings give +26 on a proc 2 of these procs a decent amount, underwold legplates (forum search these).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Autoattack is a very much underated factor in all mellee dps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Get  yourself good DPS and Haste match it with your 76% DA and your dps will be very decent.  (the other secret is get yourself in a group with anybody who buffs haste or dps)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do this and we will see you on the next thread on controlling agro as a dps non mt.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Domiuk on <span class=date_text>08-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:42 AM</span>

[Domiuk]

<DIV>theres a dps belt drops in nazara but so far no luck <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Wilin]

<blockquote><hr>lostsandman wrote:i tried the /respec command to get flay at M2 but it does not work<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> is there anyway to get respec?<hr></blockquote>If you haven't respecced since LU13, I'm pretty sure that you have 1 waiting. I can't remember the command to invoke it however.<p>Message Edited by Wilin on <span class=date_text>08-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:41 PM</span>

[BetaMaster]

<DIV>if you want to do all out dps? whatever, it's your choice not mine... here's what you do.  Like the people before have said, get the best possible 1her that you can.  I suggest Shadow Axe as it drops WAY too often and is probably on the broker right now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Achievement lines, the best thing to do for damage is a combination of str sta agi.  Go 4 5 8str 4 4 8 agi 4 4 8sta</DIV> <DIV>And use a buckler</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, find some way to finish DT access quest, don't know the availability for you but I know that family guilds on my server just took down vyemm so there is a way that you can get the 23% haste wrist item to fix the haste issue.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This gives you a huge chance to double attack making that 80damage rating weap much closer to a 150damage rating with 23% haste (even higher if you get into the illusionist/troub group) and each time you attack you have a chance to barrage.  As for using the attack special in the str line... when you hit that, follow it up with obliterate, flay and retaliation strike.  You should be able to bump your dps up to around 800dps single target and 1000dps on groups.... tanking won't be so strong for you, but i spose you can get good aggro thru dmg.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>~Golden Sun Abomidable of Mithaniel Marr</DIV>

[lostsandman]

<blockquote><hr>Wilin wrote:<blockquote><hr>lostsandman wrote:i tried the /respec command to get flay at M2 but it does not work<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> is there anyway to get respec?<hr></blockquote>If you haven't respecced since LU13, I'm pretty sure that you have 1 waiting. I can't remember the command to invoke it however.<p>Message Edited by Wilin on <span class=date_text>08-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:41 PM</span><hr></blockquote>i used that up stupid me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[lostsandman]

<blockquote><hr>BetaMaster wrote:<DIV>if you want to do all out dps? whatever, it's your choice not mine... here's what you do.  Like the people before have said, get the best possible 1her that you can.  I suggest Shadow Axe as it drops WAY too often and is probably on the broker right now.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Next...</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>As for Achievement lines, the best thing to do for damage is a combination of str sta agi.  Go 4 5 8str 4 4 8 agi 4 4 8sta</DIV><DIV>And use a buckler</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Also, find some way to finish DT access quest, don't know the availability for you but I know that family guilds on my server just took down vyemm so there is a way that you can get the 23% haste wrist item to fix the haste issue.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>This gives you a huge chance to double attack making that 80damage rating weap much closer to a 150damage rating with 23% haste (even higher if you get into the illusionist/troub group) and each time you attack you have a chance to barrage.  As for using the attack special in the str line... when you hit that, follow it up with obliterate, flay and retaliation strike.  You should be able to bump your dps up to around 800dps single target and 1000dps on groups.... tanking won't be so strong for you, but i spose you can get good aggro thru dmg.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>~Golden Sun Abomidable of Mithaniel Marr</DIV><hr></blockquote>i prefer tankign to dps but right now we have 2 zekers who are much better geared than me so they tank. So i thoug i will make my self useful to the raid by goign all out dps.Also i was thinking putting 5 points to int line to get that 20% haste when using the sword. Is str line better than Int line?There is discussion on the main forums about putting 448 since people think the last 8 points is not worth it since 25% does not hit more than say 3% since it appares to be broken....Where does Shadow Axe drop please?Thanks

[Sir_Halbarad]

<DIV>As I said in another thread, for haste, there is the 22% haste gauntlet from trial of alacrity (1st trial of mark of awakening quest line).</DIV>

[lostsandman]

I am on that trail and few of my freinds as well. So i have few chances at that drop.What i was thinkign is that, with 20% from int AA and that gloves i will have about 40%+ haste which shoudl be good.

[Wilin]

The haste from the int line is interesting in that you can stay perma hasted as long as you time the haste well or just never stop fighting. At the beginning of your fighting, you hit the AA ability(instant cast or close to it) then you have to hit the mob with 3 CAs to trigger the haste. The haste then replaces the AA ability on your buff window. The haste lasts for 3 min. BUT, the AA ability recycles every 30 sec. So, you can pop it every 30 sec, fire off the 3 CAs that you would have been hitting during the fight anyway(note that the haste buff is still in effect while bringing up the new haste buff), and the haste resets to 3 min left every time. Unfortunately, you only get about +1% haste for each additional AA point you drop into the sword AA style.I'm using it with the Annealed Defender. The haste stacks with item and troubador haste. I sometimes hit 99% haste with a troub in my group. But, the AA haste stays up the entire fight.<p>Message Edited by Wilin on <span class=date_text>08-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:52 PM</span>

[Jackula]

<div></div>You may have burned up your free /respec.  There is also a /claim item called a reforming stone that gives you a one time free /respec.  I think I got mine as part of my year one veteran claim reward but I don't remember for sure.  Mine is still sitting in my bank, and yes, they're no trade.If you're switching around gear trying to test your dps, I suggest you parse a few fights to double check.  When I tank I normally use a one hander and buckler and no haste.  I tried offtanking with the HoF 2 hander which does have haste thinking I would do more damage.  I didn't, and the parser showed that quickly.  Not having done DT access yet, I'm better off swapping gloves for haste gloves and sticking with the 1 hander/buckler.  <div></div><p>Message Edited by countjackula on <span class=date_text>08-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:10 PM</span>

[BetaMaster]

<DIV>Shadow Axe is from one of the first nameds in Halls of Seeing x4 raid instance.  I know of pick-up raids that do it.  So it's not completely out of reach when not in a raid guild.</DIV>

[mikemcmodmi]

<P>I'd recommend stamina line and staying with a 1 hander for double attacks.  Then stay in defensive stance (offensive stance sorta blows) and you can be a 2nd tank option for when the tank drops.  Wis 4,4,8,8 Stam 5,4,8,8 ftw for off tanking.  Then get setup with a mystic and 2nd templar/inquisator group for hp buffs.</P> <P>You'll do a bit more dps plus can contribute by being there in case the tank gets critted and step up to take over.</P>

[Gungo]

go to varsoons. Go camp one of the workshop named it drops a clic buff vest which gives you a 40% dps buff for 30 secs. 15min recast. Its cool if your looking for that extra burst damage.

[Fut1]

<div></div>I see this question alot, so I will write a pretty detailed outline of what at least I have found to be the best methods to gain DPS as a guardian.1) First and most importantly, go with the buckler AA spec. 4/4/8 in the STA line, nothing more in there is needed. This will give youa  76% chance to double attack. You can use any buckler with this, though currently the 3 best are probably Azjer'orz Guard from HOF, Shield of the Flapping Wing from AoA x2, or Ironplate Shielding from Ironfang in PoA.2) As a buckler spec guardian, and hell any guardian, your primary DPS will come from autoattack. Our CA's do not do damage on par with dps classes. Therefore, get the best 1H weapon you can get your hands on. Best, to me, has 3 demoninations:   a) Highest damage rating. With a 76% double attack rating, stacked on top of any DPS% and Haste% modifiers, you will be multiplying even the slightest addition several times over.   b) Slow delay. In my experience, a slow delay weapon is best. It gives higher returns on haste with a multiplier off of your double attack, a better proc rate, and higher crits.   c) Proc. Some weapons have a proc and procs are a great way to add dps. These will sometimes be more significant than a slight amount of DR.3) Imbued Acrylia Rings. These are too often overlooked and not only by guardians, but by most melee dps classes. Wear one of each - AGI and STR. Since autoattack is a large majority of your DPS, and these both greatly improve upon it, they are vital. Disclaimer: If you're tanking, I would not recommend wearing these.4) Gear. STR is easy to cap, so most DPS gear improvements will come from modifiers. This includes either the Soulclencher Necklace from SOS, or the Mark of Awakening. I would recommend the mark so you can stay somewhat decent geared incase you must offtank or take some damage. Haste would be the biggest factors of any of these, and for any t7 guardian there are 3 main ones:   a) Amulet of the Forsworn. Obtained from DT access - 23% - this is superior as for the most part it does not take up a vital slot where you could instead greatly improve your mitigation or other stats. Not to mention, the other stats on it are great other than the lack of STA (grrr).   b) Gauntlets of Glorious Speed. Obtained from the first MOA trial - these are easy to obtain and offer 22% haste. The stats and miti are also decent if you're lacking anything else to wear.   c) Flowing Black Silk Sash. Work on replacing this with item B asap. Until then, it is a decent item to increase your dps and has... 15%ish? haste.5) Round out your AA's. There are many different ways to choose your AAs after the initial 4/4/8. Many people go with the very important +314 mit AAs from WIS. I would recommend this if you ever tank at all. Not to mention you get to raise your DPS% on the way there. Other options for DPS improvements are the crit AA from str (not recommended), the cleave style AA from from agi (also don't recommend), filling your DPS% in WIS, and getting lots of haste out of the INT line (love this).6) Buffs and combat arts. These make for a small but still good amount of your DPS. Don't expect a huge difference going from even ad1 -> m1 though. It will be noticable, but not huge. If you want to upgrade, I will recommend some of the most important in order:   a) Offensive Stance. Don't let people tell you the +S/C/P isn't important. It is. Also, it will let you cap STR easier so you can stick with more tanking efficient gear. Turning yourself into a squishy is never good.   b) Obliterate. Using this not only is high damage, but it provides an EXTREME debuff on a short duration. Try using this, followed by your other high dmg CAs - Flay, Retal strike, Precise Strike.   c) Your 2 dots. These provide the most damage over time of any of your CA's, give a debuff, and are very power efficient.   d) Everything else. These are tough to sort. Overall overpower and compression provide most dps over time, but are very power inefficient. Flay, retal strike, etc are very good spells to upgrade and will give you most DPS returns on a shorter fight.7) If you're not tanking, annoy your raid leader until he gives you some decent classes to add to your DPS (/wave kono). A coercer DPS% buff is fantastic and gives 74% at Master 1. Illusionists and dirges will also increase your dps alot. Illusionists have a 65% haste buff at m1, and dirges have tons of good stuff. Classes that can offer procs are also nice... predators, sorcerers, conjurors. Be prepared to get stuck with the junk though if you're a guard that isn't tanking.Hopefully this can help you and some other guardians looking to increase their DPS. Feel free to ask questions.What I use:AA spec of 4/4/8 STA, 4/4/5/8 WIS, 4/8 INT with Vilucidae's Sword of Shielding as my weapon.-Slaith of Najena<div></div>

[Wabit]

<P>if you're in the raid with like 0% chance of ever tanking (your roll is totaly dps) then look what classes you are usally grouped with...  if you're grouped with classes that give alot of haste (illus, zerker, monk, ect.) then buff your crit and dps mods...  if your grouped with classes that buff dps (inquizy, bruiser, coercer, ect.) then max out the crit and haste AAs...  if you're just dumped into a random mage group then you're on your own for most of your melee dps, but even then take a page from the SKs and max out your int (procs are your friend)...</P> <P>DR's on weapons are misleading sometimes so don't always rely on them...  right hand of the high priestess has a high DR but is too fast and you miss alot of swings with any haste at all...  i honestly prefer the shadow axe over the rest of my weapons (i don't have the planer axe or cheldrakes shard otherwise i'd use them)...  </P> <P>i think my fav dps spec was str/agi/sta 4/4/8 in each (but i had groups where i was already at 80%+ dps)...  was great for group mobs...</P> <P>inquizy, assass, zerker, dirge, conjy, me is a group i really liked...  add in the imbued str and agi rings...  maxing out both int and str it was some nice dps...</P> <P>couple small things you can do to eek out the best dps is learn to time your autoattack and CAs...  get a good bow too (fabled ones drop like candy), open up with a bowshot that should give you time to open up with your 3 or 4 biggest attacks then melee autoattack will kick in and you start timeing the swings...  keep your dots on the mob, but wait on sever to get the last tic of the dot before reapplying it...  on mobs with AE knockback (HoS) toggle to your bow autoattack when you get punted...  every sec your running back you're loseing potential dps...</P> <P>the other thing you can do is hold your high hits (for a guard at least) till the brigand hits dispatch, then spam obliterate, flay, strike, and retalite...  and open up each fight with the dots and a couple lesser CAs....</P>