Resisted Taunts

[Urglu]

<DIV>Anyone having extraordinary bad luck with resisted taunts on the Mistress in Nizara? I know she's orange but it seems like I'm getting way more than my fair share of poorly timed taunt resists...especially at the beginning of the fight.  (This goes for the adds as well as her)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is it just me? Anyway to combat this?</DIV>

[Gungo]

How do you kill the dang fire named to even get to her. I killed all 8 others, but the fire named is a complete joke. max fire resists, fire wards potions, 80% avoid, 79% mtigation. Shaman, and templar at max heal range WHAM group at 1/3 health or less. Do you guys dodge her aoe? What about healing the tank during that crucial pull. I don't wan ther nerfed becaue obviosuly its killable but um whats the secret =p.<p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>06-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:36 AM</span>

[Urglu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gungo wrote:<BR> How do you kill the dang fire named to even get to her. I killed all 8 others, but the fire named is a complete joke. max fire resists, fire wards potions, 80% avoid, 79% mtigation. Shaman, and templar at max heal range WHAM group at 1/3 health or less. Do you guys dodge her aoe? What about healing the tank during that crucial pull. I don't wan ther nerfed becaue obviosuly its killable but um whats the secret =p. <P>Message Edited by Gungo on <SPAN class=date_text>06-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:36 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The entire group needs to be around 5k heat resist or higher...mine is usually over 11k.   Don't bother ranging it, it won't work (at least we couldn't get it to). Well timed group wards do help, as does a rogue with the reuse timer debuff AA.  If your chanter is doing a good job mezzing the adds, and everyone has decent heat resists you should be able to group heal to recover from the AE.  Last trip in our swash went LD on the pull and we beat it with defiler, templar, dirge, guardian and coercer.....it was slow, but steady. </P> <P>Group resists really are the biggest thing.  You are only as strong as your weakest link in a 6 man group, so if even one group member has low resists, it really screws up the encounter. </P>

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Urglunt wrote:<BR> <DIV>Anyone having extraordinary bad luck with resisted taunts on the Mistress in Nizara? I know she's orange but it seems like I'm getting way more than my fair share of poorly timed taunt resists...especially at the beginning of the fight. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes, I blame orange.

[Gungo]

<P>odd with 6-10k resist on eevryone in group we were still gettign nailed w 5kaoe's. As a bruiser i am also able to completly negate the aoe on myself at least once.</P> <P>Ok got it shaman, coecer, warden, dirge or conjuror, bruiser, swashy should do it.   </P> <P>That group should give me mac heat cold posien resist, high mitigatio/avoid, massive swashy debuffs, great power regen, crowd control and wards.</P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>06-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:30 AM</span>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Gungo wrote: <P>odd with 6-10k resist on eevryone in group we were still gettign nailed w 5kaoe's. As a bruiser i am also able to completly negate the aoe on myself at least once.</P> <P>Ok got it shaman, coecer, warden, dirge or conjuror, bruiser, swashy should do it.   </P> <P>That group should give me mac heat cold posien resist, high mitigatio/avoid, massive swashy debuffs, great power regen, crowd control and wards.</P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>06-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:30 AM</span><hr></blockquote> Have your healers group healing more, and burn it down as fast as you can.

[Urglu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gungo wrote:<BR> <P>odd with 6-10k resist on eevryone in group we were still gettign nailed w 5kaoe's. As a bruiser i am also able to completly negate the aoe on myself at least once.</P> <P>Ok got it shaman, coecer, warden, dirge or conjuror, bruiser, swashy should do it.   </P> <P>That group should give me mac heat cold posien resist, high mitigatio/avoid, massive swashy debuffs, great power regen, crowd control and wards.</P> <P>Message Edited by Gungo on <SPAN class=date_text>06-27-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:30 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Have your healers group healing more, and burn it down as fast as you can.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah I don' t pay a ton of attention to what my healers were doing, but the 2 I had with me were 2 of our MT group healers on raids so they know their stuff.   Probably switched to group healing as necessary without even thinking about it.

[Urglu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Urglunt wrote:<BR> <DIV>Anyone having extraordinary bad luck with resisted taunts on the Mistress in Nizara? I know she's orange but it seems like I'm getting way more than my fair share of poorly timed taunt resists...especially at the beginning of the fight. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes, I blame orange.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>:smileymad:</P> <P>Me too. Resisted taunts make baby Jesus cry. </P>

[Wabit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gungo wrote:<BR> How do you kill the dang fire named to even get to her. I killed all 8 others, but the fire named is a complete joke. max fire resists, fire wards potions, 80% avoid, 79% mtigation. Shaman, and templar at max heal range WHAM group at 1/3 health or less. Do you guys dodge her aoe? What about healing the tank during that crucial pull. I don't wan ther nerfed becaue obviosuly its killable but um whats the secret =p. <P>Message Edited by Gungo on <SPAN class=date_text>06-27-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>07:36 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>warden with the elemental ward/buff does alot for eating the AE...</P> <P>its the orange penelty for the resisted taunts...  kinda stupid in this case, mezz or taunts resisted = 10% armor loss...</P> <P>woulda been even better if she was an orange monk mob...  resisted taunts + can't hit it = agro fun...</P>

[Schube]

My only two runs I've done in there so far consisted of myself, a fury, defiler, brigand, bruiser, and warlock/conjuror (1st run/2nd run) and I've never had much of a problem in the zone outside of killin the final named.  Gonna take a coercer next run for the final named, but I've had several people tell me that several of the names in there are unbeatable without a chanter, but I just don't see it.

[Urglu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wabit wrote:<BR> <BR> <P><BR>its the orange penelty for the resisted taunts...  kinda stupid in this case, mezz or taunts resisted = 10% armor loss...</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah I agree.  Do you have more luck mezzing the adds and going for the named first or vice versa? I'm trying to figure out the best way to limit my wipes thanks to resisted taunt/mez.

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Urglunt wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Wabit wrote:<BR><BR><P><BR>its the orange penelty for the resisted taunts...  kinda stupid in this case, mezz or taunts resisted = 10% armor loss...</P><P></P><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah I agree.  Do you have more luck mezzing the adds and going for the named first or vice versa? I'm trying to figure out the best way to limit my wipes thanks to resisted taunt/mez.<hr></blockquote>Named is CC-immune. So, gotta go for the adds.

[Wabit]

^^^^  what he said

[Urglu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR>Named is CC-immune. So, gotta go for the adds.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Super!  That encounter is like flipping a coin....if it lands heads you win, if it lands tails you get kicked in the groin.   Why do I keep playing?<BR>

[FightGame]

<P>How do you get 80% avoidance as a plate tank?  I assume you are a plate tank since this is the guardian forum, and also because you said you had 79% mitigation.  When grouped I am over cap on agility, defense, and parry.  My block is also fairly high with the grizzlefazzle shield.  My avoidance has never been above 68%.</P> <P> </P> <P>Edit: ok now I see your sig says bruiser, so how does a bruiser get 79% mitigation?  If a bruiser can get 79% mitigation and 80% avoidance, that just isn't fair!!!  I call nerf.  lol jk...but I would like to know.  Who needs a plate tank?</P><p>Message Edited by FightGame on <span class=date_text>06-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:40 PM</span>

[aislynn00]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Urglunt wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wabit wrote:<BR> <BR> <P><BR>its the orange penelty for the resisted taunts...  kinda stupid in this case, mezz or taunts resisted = 10% armor loss...</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah I agree.  Do you have more luck mezzing the adds and going for the named first or vice versa? I'm trying to figure out the best way to limit my wipes thanks to resisted taunt/mez.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Use Sentry Watch on the pull.  Since LU24, it has saved my groups from wiping more than a few times due to initially resisted taunts.

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FightGame wrote:<BR> <P>How do you get 80% avoidance as a plate tank?  I assume you are a plate tank since this is the guardian forum, and also because you said you had 79% mitigation.  When grouped I am over cap on agility, defense, and parry.  My block is also fairly high with the grizzlefazzle shield.  My avoidance has never been above 68%.</P> <P> </P> <P>Edit: ok now I see your sig says bruiser, so how does a bruiser get 79% mitigation?  If a bruiser can get 79% mitigation and 80% avoidance, that just isn't fair!!!  I call nerf.  lol jk...but I would like to know.  Who needs a plate tank?</P> <P>Message Edited by FightGame on <SPAN class=date_text>06-28-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:40 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>To tell the truth it was 77.7% for me, but requires taking alot fabled mitigation + gear. Using a now unmakable 240mitigation potion, a 3 min  mitgation buff. a conjuror, crusader, templar, shaman/druid, dirge. i can hold 77.7% mit myself for 3 minutes then i got to wait 3 more minutes at ~60% w the same setup and it drains ~200 hp a tick w that group to keep the buff up. I also took as much + parry +deflection and an ability that gives me ~1k+ mitigation if i fall below 30%.  It takes specific buff stacking but its doable. It also requires me to use resist potions from the tenbrous tangle quest to keep the appropriate reisst maxed as some of the + mit gear does not have the appropriate resist. I also use the + defense potion and + ward potion. Makes for a very effective short term tank. The epic x4 and epic x2 did give me trouble when the buff fell and i had to make sure the healers kept an aye on the spike damage then. Now in nazara unless i wanted to take 2-3 horus to do this zone i would only use that buff on hard pulls or named since it has a long recast. I would tank the trash w/o it and make sure the healers pre healed alot. Agro wasn't to bad w a dirge hate buff and all master attacks and taunts.   I still havent killed the final mob yet but only tanked it 2x. And the first time was a poor set up of random dps and 2 druids i did have an assasin and dirge so my hate was rockin that time. But my buffed stats were much lower. Then the above mentiond group. If i need an enchanter for the final named i will probably have to drop the dirge and lose alot of parry and drop my avoid to ~77-78%. which is not to bad i guess.   <P>O yeah my point in this thread do I <STRONG>NEED</STRONG> an enchanter to kill that final named. I tried w/o it. and lets say w maxed out stats from the above group i was still getting nailed by 3 mobs for 2-4k hits. I was blind by the spell the named casts and just spamming tuants/ aoe atks hoping i had all the adds on me. But i was taking so much damage i gues the healers could not keep me up. I beleive i had them all on me though.</P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>06-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:59 PM</span>

[R]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Urglunt wrote:<BR> <DIV>Anyone having extraordinary bad luck with resisted taunts on the Mistress in Nizara? I know she's orange but it seems like I'm getting way more than my fair share of poorly timed taunt resists...especially at the beginning of the fight.  (This goes for the adds as well as her)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is it just me? Anyway to combat this?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I rarely have a problem with taunts being resisted(probably because I have my Ranger use Mental debuff poison), but the agro problem usually comes from missing my CA's, so I just tank her in Offensive Stance and everything's fine.