LU20/KoS the fix we've been asking for?

[mastersard]

<div>Just wondering.  I see a <em>lot</em> of people posting that they feel a differance in their class's performance.  I've read everything from "We got nerfed" to "Does anyone else feel weaker," yet here in the Guardian forums, i'm seeing "Thanks you" posts.</div><div> </div><div>I played my Guard last night.  Actually enjoyed soloing.  Nothing spectacular, no soloing heroic^^^, no AFK soloing, no tanking nekked.  We still have no utility, sad DPS, etc, but the nerfs others are feeling (proc changes) are not our real concern.</div><div> </div><div>I think it will be easyer to get the damage with the new AAs, but at the loss of raid tanking ability (Which is fine by me, since i never intended to raid anyway).</div><div> </div><div>In short, i think this may be a good change, and am looking forward to playing again. </div>

[Lyrus]

I think overall, combat art has been raised, and also with the addition of critical hits and bind wound, things are looking up. Landing hits for 1k+ solo is always nice. Normally that was only possible on a raid mob that had been debuffed to oblivion.<div></div>

[Sirlutt]

After being thoroughly bummed by the ranger nerf i decided to shelve the ranger and see how my guardian was..now i am not sure if it was after being on the gimped ranger.. but the Guardian was amazing to solo .. i actually enjoyed it very much.. the new starter AA was a great addition to solo aswell. more DPs and a heal.. awesome.<div></div>

[Burningho]

<div></div><p>I'm not sure that KoS was the fix we have been asking for, but it sure seems like the warrior AS system was specifically designed to address guardian complaints.  Want more dps?  Pick the dps oriented AA's.  Want to be a pure tank?  Pick the mitigation and defense AA's.  Want better power efficiency?  Pick the AA path that will give you that. </p><p>I'm not saying that they fix guardians, but it sure seems like they are meant to at least throw us a bone.</p>

[Owa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>mastersardis wrote:<div>Just wondering.  I see a <em>lot</em> of people posting that they feel a differance in their class's performance.  I've read everything from "We got nerfed" to "Does anyone else feel weaker," yet here in the Guardian forums, i'm seeing "Thanks you" posts.</div><div> </div><div>I played my Guard last night.  Actually enjoyed soloing.  <font color="#ffff00">Nothing spectacular, no soloing heroic^^^, no AFK soloing, no tanking nekked.  We still have no utility, sad DPS, etc, but the nerfs others are feeling (proc changes) are not our real concern</font>.</div><div> </div><div>I think it will be easyer to get the damage with the new AAs, but at the loss of raid tanking ability (Which is fine by me, since i never intended to raid anyway).</div><div> </div><div>In short, i think this may be a good change, and am looking forward to playing again. </div><hr></blockquote><p><font size="4">It seems like you're saying that even though your class is no better, you're enjoying the game more now that other classes have been nerfed. Am I misreading this?</font></p><p><font size="4">We (Bruisers) got nerfed in #19 <em>and</em> #20 by the way.</font></p>

[Salgo]

<div></div>I think you are misreading it Anna. I think what Masterardis is saying is that the Crititcal hits are a nice addition to our damage output. Nothing to write home about of course but we will take what we can get. Also, the AA's will allow us to customize our Guradian to our playstyle. So if you aren't the Raid MT type Guard....go for so more damage etc...

[Owa]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Salgore wrote:<div></div>I think you are misreading it Anna.<hr></blockquote><p><font size="4">Fair enough. i'd be surprised if anyone actually had that viewpoint. I remember when you guys got nerfed and it didn't make my gaming any more enjoyable. </font></p><p><font size="4">I think I'm still in shock from my first foray into KoS and getting beaten down by mobs I used to be able to handle easily. <em>Plus</em> I got destroyed three consecutive times in duels by a Zerker friend who i used to beat in less than 10 seconds every time. He's still better at tanking but now he does more DPS too. I lost over 100 from my attack rating overnight and Crushing Fury was doing about a quarter of the damage that it used to. Hopefully we won't have to wait as long to get re-balanced as you have.</font></p><p><font size="4">In the meantime I'm off to PvP my baby bruiser with the hope that when I hit 60 again all this will have been fixed...</font></p><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:20 AM</span></p>

[Snikey]

<div></div><div></div><p>All melee get crit hits now right? Don't see how thats a nerf to other classes.</p><p><font size="4">Hopefully we won't have to wait as long to get re-balanced as you have.</font></p><p><font size="3">We didn't get any rebalance. A lot of us are finding solo'ing actually DOABLE now. Those mobs you could solo easy before... we'd have no chance at.</font></p><p>Message Edited by Snikey on <span class="date_text">02-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:58 PM</span></p>

[Excedium]

<div></div><p>Im thinking the mobs have been redone. DoF felt easy due to Cobalt being way too overpowered. Think back to all that treasured armored in DoF you laughed at becuase your cobalt was leaps and bounds ahead of it. This made dof anything easier. If KoS is different some classes are feeling the squeeze. Its looking like higher mitigation is a good thing now. Also looks like classes that was getting their dps through multiple attacks and letting procs do the damage is hurting them. But overall i can solo level 62 solo mobs. And is it me or did we lose a ton of HP from our t6 crafted rings?</p><p>We wont know if any of these changes are permanent/intended/a mistake or not. Maybe their finally balancing everything out. They said guardians are not changing so the changes have to occur somewhere else?</p><p>Also these AAs were stated not to be groundbreaking or needed to accomplish anything in this game, just easier and from looking at them it is nothing special , but its nice.</p>

[Wasuna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<div></div><p><font size="4">Hopefully we won't have to wait as long to get re-balanced as you have.</font></p><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:20 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I didn't even notice that bruisers were hit in LU 19 &20. Unfortunatly I have to say that your probably in for an very extended wait if your looking for  your DPS to be moved up. I was afraid of what repeated requests for Guardian DPS would do. It seems that SOE listened and is now just dropping people down to a comparable level to where others stand.

[mastersard]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>mastersardis wrote:<div>Just wondering.  I see a <em>lot</em> of people posting that they feel a differance in their class's performance.  I've read everything from "We got nerfed" to "Does anyone else feel weaker," yet here in the Guardian forums, i'm seeing "Thanks you" posts.</div><div> </div><div>I played my Guard last night.  Actually enjoyed soloing.  <font color="#ffff00">Nothing spectacular, no soloing heroic^^^, no AFK soloing, no tanking nekked.  We still have no utility, sad DPS, etc, but the nerfs others are feeling (proc changes) are not our real concern</font>.</div><div> </div><div>I think it will be easyer to get the damage with the new AAs, but at the loss of raid tanking ability (Which is fine by me, since i never intended to raid anyway).</div><div> </div><div>In short, i think this may be a good change, and am looking forward to playing again. </div><hr></blockquote><p><font size="4">It seems like you're saying that even though your class is no better, you're enjoying the game more now that other classes have been nerfed. Am I misreading this?</font></p><p><font size="4">We (Bruisers) got nerfed in #19 <em>and</em> #20 by the way.</font></p><hr></blockquote><p>No no, i disdain all nerfs.  Especially to Fighters.  I never had a problem with Bruisers or Monks ability, but i coveted it.  Not that i would ever want it taken from another class and given to Guardians, which is what happened in LU13, and it seems here in LU20 as well.</p><p>I don't understand why SOE feels the need to nerf clases with each LU and Expansion.  Why cant all classes be on a plateau?</p>

[Eet]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>mastersardis wrote:<div></div><blockquote>Why cant all classes be on a plateau?</blockquote><hr></blockquote>Brawlers were on a mountain.

[Snikey]

<div></div>After the way other fighters talked on these boards begging for LU13... Give them all Guardian DPS I say, scr** em'.

[Pry]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>mastersardis wrote:<div>Just wondering.  I see a <em>lot</em> of people posting that they feel a differance in their class's performance.  I've read everything from "We got nerfed" to "Does anyone else feel weaker," yet here in the Guardian forums, i'm seeing "Thanks you" posts.</div><div> </div><div>I played my Guard last night.  Actually enjoyed soloing.  <font color="#ffff00">Nothing spectacular, no soloing heroic^^^, no AFK soloing, no tanking nekked.  We still have no utility, sad DPS, etc, but the nerfs others are feeling (proc changes) are not our real concern</font>.</div><div> </div><div>I think it will be easyer to get the damage with the new AAs, but at the loss of raid tanking ability (Which is fine by me, since i never intended to raid anyway).</div><div> </div><div>In short, i think this may be a good change, and am looking forward to playing again. </div><hr></blockquote><p><font size="4">It seems like you're saying that even though your class is no better, you're enjoying the game more now that other classes have been nerfed. Am I misreading this?</font></p><p><font size="4">We (Bruisers) got nerfed in #19 <em>and</em> #20 by the way.</font></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah, now Bruisers only get 11 Rice Krispy Treats instead of the usual 12. 

[mastersard]

<div></div><p>wow, it's kinda harsh in here.</p><p>Just because we were nerfed in LU13 and ignored until LU20 and brawlers werent does not guve anyone the right to applaud a nerf to their class.</p><p>They were a very enjoyable class.  Overpowered, yes.  But no class deserves a nerf.</p>

[Owa]

<div></div><div><p><font size="4">I know it's just a computer game and thus hardly worthy of this level of emotion, but let me make </font><font size="4">one very important point: </font></p><p><font size="4">Prynn you're an arsehole.  Every single post of yours I've read has been spiteful and full of hate for everyone but yourself and your class.  It's like reading the diary of some 13yr old girl who can't get into the 'cool group' at school. I've read the Guardian forums a few times  - and actually posted often about how I thought the LU13 nerf was unfair and gimped Guardians. Most people here seem pretty reasonable and are only interested in having a decent class and enjoying the game.  I said I couldn't imagine anyone being happy about other classes being nerfed but I stand corrected. You are that man - although I use the term loosely.</font></p><p><font size="4">I know it's pointless to get riled up about some keyboard warrior who shouts his mouth off in forums but I'd give a hell of a lot to be able to get you in the ring for a couple of  rounds mate and teach you some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing manners. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].</font></p><p><font size="4">Owain the British Bruiser - '</font><font size="3">Fighting In Pub Car Parks Since 1987' :smileywink:</font></p></div><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:32 PM</span></p>

[Snikey]

<div>Sorry I just didn't see what exactly was nerf about other fighters in LU19 or 20. Crit melee hits were not just for Guardians. What else happened?</div>

[Pry]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>annaspider wrote:<div></div><div><p><font size="4">I know it's just a computer game and thus hardly worthy of this level of emotion, but let me make </font><font size="4">one very important point: </font></p><p><font size="4">Prynn you're an arsehole.  Every single post of yours I've read has been spiteful and full of hate for everyone but yourself and your class.  It's like reading the diary of some 13yr old girl who can't get into the 'cool group' at school. I've read the Guardian forums a few times  - and actually posted often about how I thought the LU13 nerf was unfair and gimped Guardians. Most people here seem pretty reasonable and are only interested in having a decent class and enjoying the game.  I said I couldn't imagine anyone being happy about other classes being nerfed but I stand corrected. You are that man - although I use the term loosely.</font></p><p><font size="4">I know it's pointless to get riled up about some keyboard warrior who shouts his mouth off in forums but I'd give a hell of a lot to be able to get you in the ring for a couple of  rounds mate and teach you some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing manners. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].</font></p><p><font size="4">Owain the British Bruiser - '</font><font size="3">Fighting In Pub Car Parks Since 1987' :smileywink:</font></p></div><p>Message Edited by annaspider on <span class="date_text">02-24-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:32 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Who said I was happy Spazo the Magnificent?   There is a difference between apathy (what I have) and spite.  Quite honestly, I really don't care what happens to Bruisers, Monks, Rangers, Wizards, or any other class for that matter.  Besides, I have a policy about not fighting with the illiterati anyway.  It's like a kid who pulls the wings from a fly and continues to poke the body to see what it does.</p><p>I have always (and will continue) said that nerfing any toon is wrong.  I didn't like it when it happened to me, I am sure you don't like it that it happened to you.  SOE's policy should be toward making things better for everyone (and I have never deviated from this).   I defend my class against those whose only purpose is to ensure that their class is held in the highest regard at the behest of keeping another class down; which is the only logical conclusion of a Bruiser coming to a forum of a class they don't play to suggest changes they can't possibly comprehend.  </p><p>You don't see me posting in the Bruiser forums.  That would be me being happy about you getting nerfed.  Prynn's post count in the Bruiser forums = 0.  Yours in the Guardian Forum = several more than that.  Don't hate me because I have the innate ability to see things for what they are, it's a gift I guess. </p><p>Nevertheless, keep your chin up.  Only 6 more months to go, and after suffering through those months of horrific game play, having everyone tell you how you stink at playing, or that you are imagining nerfs, LU27 will come out, some other tank will get the nerf bat, Bruisers will get a wee upgrade and all will be right with the world again. </p><p>Or do something else.  </p>

[Xibi]

<div>Why does everyone say we got a huge boost in LU 20?  I just dinged to 61, and I couldn't even kill [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing Seer Anther (named prophet) in DoF anymore.  He used to be a piece of cake.    Was hoping to get an AA point  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[mastersard]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Snikey wrote:<div>Sorry I just didn't see what exactly was nerf about other fighters in LU19 or 20. Crit melee hits were not just for Guardians. What else happened?</div><hr></blockquote><p>Crits and Procs from off-hand and multiple-hit CAs were horridly nerfed.  Dual-weilding classes, and those that rely on procs (Bruiser, Ranger) were hit hardest.  My noob ranger was down about 35-40% DPS from it.  I cant imagin it being any better at higher levels.</p>