We are holding agro really well...

[Thanous]

Enough agro/taunt complaints.  From what I've seen here on the boards, we have no problem holding agro.  Just look at how long we've kept the mod's attention and how many threads have locked.  We have some of the best agro tools around!!P.S.  This is a joke.  Please take it as such. <div></div>

[Salgo]

<div>:smileyvery-happy: LOL</div><div> </div><div>Good one Tha...did you hear that? I think it be the lock monsters.</div><div> </div><div>*Runs and hides*</div>

[Thanous]

I thought about starting a stop watch when I posted this, but instead decided to bet on mods having a sense of humor...<div></div>

[StrollingWolf]

<div></div>Perhaps you might /feedback this in hopes that the same skills may be applied to the guardian class. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Thanous]

<span><blockquote><hr>StrollingWolf wrote:<div></div>Perhaps you might /feedback this in hopes that the same skills may be applied to the guardian class. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Hmmm, would that be trying to get better agro control applied to the guardian class....or a sense of humor applied to the guardian class?  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span><div></div>

[Wasuna]

<div></div><p>Not to sound confrontational but my sense of humor about the Guardian class is gone. SOE has done this so new Moderators coming here telling us to be calm and provide valid points greatly offends me. If SOE had been responsive or even upfront with us all along instead of leaving huge month long gaps in the communication with us then I could have kept a better attitude.</p><p>It is 100% obvious that SOE has ticked off a significant number of people. You'd think they they would want to atleast stop the bleeding by providing their comments on where things stand and where things are going. I can say that this Guardian is only playing EQ2 becasue his friends still do and they 100% confirmed that they are leaving as soon as somthing else is available and when they go I will drop this game like a hot potato.</p>

[Vandileir]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Wasuna wrote:<p>It is 100% obvious that SOE has ticked off a significant number of people. You'd think they they would want to atleast stop the bleeding by providing their comments on where things stand and where things are going. I can say that this Guardian is only playing EQ2 becasue his friends still do and they 100% confirmed that they are leaving as soon as somthing else is available and when they go I will drop this game like a hot potato.</p><hr></blockquote><p>When enough of my guild go's, so do I.</p><p>For many in there fan base, sony shot them selves in the foot on that combat revamp/update. Many just plain don't like the way the game is shaping up from some who I have conversed with. The blatantly inadiquate way in which SOE communicates with there player base is like pouring salt in an open wound.</p><p>All the new content, the rush of the expansion, changing the archtype, stupid fluff graphics changs, and other such nonsense is all one big bandaid over a wound that has never quite healed since launch.</p><p>there are still  dozens outsanding issues with the game</p><p>(where in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] are my t6 crafting writs? t7 is a month away for the love of god)</p><p>Guardians will not be fixed. to bring in a quote from another topic. <em><strong>/reclass</strong></em> please</p>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Wasuna wrote:<div></div><p>Not to sound confrontational but my sense of humor about the Guardian class is gone. SOE has done this so new Moderators coming here telling us to be calm and provide valid points greatly offends me. If SOE had been responsive or even upfront with us all along instead of leaving huge month long gaps in the communication with us then I could have kept a better attitude.  <font color="#ffff00">Nonwithstanding of your attitude, or whether or not you feel its warranted, you do agree to certain rules and regulations when you use these forums.</font></p><p>It is 100% obvious that SOE has ticked off a significant number of people. <font color="#ffff00">Significant?  I'm not so sure.  I will agree that a lot of people don't like the current EQ2 or where its headed.  I'm not so sure its a significant amount of the players.  </font>You'd think they they would want to atleast stop the bleeding by providing their comments on where things stand and where things are going. <font color="#ffff00">For the most part they have, and their comments have been met by resistance, mockery or even more unhappiness.  </font>I can say that this Guardian is only playing EQ2 becasue his friends still do and they 100% confirmed that they are leaving as soon as somthing else is available and when they go I will drop this game like a hot potato.  <font color="#ffff00">This game certainly isn't for everyone, and while I'd like to see everyone find a way to stay and enjoy EQ2, it probably isn't possible.</font></p><hr></blockquote>

[Krooner]

<div></div><div>Gaige.</div><div>With all due respect IMO you being a little TOO diplomatic.  Its obvious to even the most average person that there is a clear lack of constructive  communications between people who can actually change the game and people who play the game.  There are "minor" exceptions to this, but no where near what is needed for such a large endevor as EQ2.  Instead we are footed with moderators who tell us shhhh behave. </div>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Warbird1 wrote:<div></div><div>Gaige.</div><div>With all due respect IMO you being a little TOO diplomatic.  Its obvious to even the most average person that there is a clear lack of constructive  communications between people who can actually change the game and people who play the game.  There are "minor" exceptions to this, but no where near what is needed for such a large endevor as EQ2.  Instead we are footed with moderators who tell us shhhh behave. </div><hr></blockquote><p>I honestly do not agree, and I never have.  Even when I had issues needing to be addressed I didn't feel this way.  I've played other MMOs that had WAY worse cusomter/developer interaction.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=59375#M59375">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=59375#M59375</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=24106#M24106">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=24106#M24106</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=23981#M23981">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=23981#M23981</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board?board.id=zones">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board?board.id=zones</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=zones&message.id=2944#M2944">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=zones&message.id=2944#M2944</a></p><p>In just the last few days.</p><p>Generally when a lack of feedback from the devs is cited, it isn't the team in general not providing any, its a particular poster's issue (or perceived issue) not being addressed.</p><p>In the case of class balance discussions anyway, its been said a few times why they choose to not comment.</p>

[mastersard]

<div><em>Very few</em> people are happy with the current state of the class.  That's not just counting Guardians, but other classes.  Their is a glaring disparity in ballance between fighters in this game.</div><div> </div><div>This is true no matter what the Fanbois say.  Kiss SOEs hind quarters all you want, this game is sub par because SOE is not listening to its player base, it is listening to a couple of small segments of very vocal players: Raiders and Fanbois.  If you build a game around those 2 groups, you shaft every other kind of player.  The raiders are happy, they got what they wanted.  The Fanbois are happy, they'd be happy no matter what.</div>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>mastersardis wrote:<div><em>Very few</em> people are happy with the current state of the class.  That's not just counting Guardians, but other classes.  Their is a glaring disparity in ballance between fighters in this game.  <font color="#ffff00">Very few people who post on the guardian or templar forums, and a few others are happy with thier class, I'll agree.  The overwhelming majority of players I doubt have any serious issues that, for instance, render them unable to play their given class to 60 and beyond.</font></div><div><font color="#ffff00"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffff00">Whatever "glaring disparity" you see in fighter balance isn't no where near as bad as it was pre LU13.  Do some changes need to be made?  Yeah.  In my opinion though those changes have more to do with playing the class outside the main role, than it does with main role balance.</font></div><div> </div><div>This is true no matter what the Fanbois say.  Kiss SOEs hind quarters all you want, this game is sub par because SOE is not listening to its player base, it is listening to a couple of small segments of very vocal players: Raiders and Fanbois.  <font color="#ffff00">LoL.  Oh please.  I'm sure the raiders begged for the pre20 restructuring of the game, right?  Or the changes to the lvl 20 AQ graphics.  I'm sure all the changes/fixed to the EBBC were because of raiders, of the fixes to the BLC adventure pack.  In a word... no.</font></div><div><font color="#ffff00"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffff00">As for listening to your player base, you can't.  Everyone says different things.  Besides, generally speaking players only concern themselves with their needs and wants while dismissing everyone elses... not to mention players don't want balance, they just want their class to be the best.</font></div><div><font color="#ffff00"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffff00">While a lot of good ideas can and do come from the playerbase, a majority of the things discussed on these forums as a whole, including the rants, are neither.</font></div><div> </div><div>If you build a game around those 2 groups, you shaft every other kind of player.  The raiders are happy, they got what they wanted.  The Fanbois are happy, they'd be happy no matter what.  <font color="#ffff00">Raiders are happy?  Doubtful.  There is a lot of issues with the raid game in DoF that still haven't been addressed.  Then again, there are a lot of of issues that haven't been addressed, from crafting to questing and yes even raiding.</font><hr></div></blockquote>

[mastersard]

<div></div><div></div>Your ability to selectivly comment on out of context statements is mind-boggeling.<p>Message Edited by mastersardis on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:25 PM</span></p>

[Gaige]

<div></div>I reply to what is said /shrug.

[Landiin]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>Oh I see he can post all he want and flame bait the entire forum but I can't ask you why you let him?</p><p>Message Edited by Promythyus on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:41 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Promythyus on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:41 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Landiin on <span class="date_text">01-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:52 PM</span></p>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Landiin wrote:<div></div><div></div>why not <- remove flame bait-> when Gaige post, because that is all he post here for is to start flames. <font color="#ffff00">He knows all he has to do is say any thing in here and it starts one.</font><hr></blockquote>Perhaps others need to exercise some self-restraint and maturity then.  How about if they can't respond to me reasonably and within the rules, then <em>they</em> should be the ones not to post.

[Krooner]

<div></div><p>We are going to have to agree to disagree here Giage.</p><p> </p><p>You might play a lot of MMO's but I do this sort of thing as part of my profession.  We provide a similar service for a very large software company.</p><p>Based on industry experience what is being done here would get a contract put into SLA dispute post haste.</p><p>We agree to pay our accounts on time and they agree to provide us with timely assistance.  Yes some things are getting addressed.  But you know Im sick of hearing...</p><p>Gaige wrote: <font color="#ffff00">Do some changes need to be made?  Yeah.  In my opinion though those changes have more to do with playing the class outside the main role, than it does with main role balance.</font></p><p>And never anything meaningful actually getting done.  All we get is breadcrumbs to keep us here.</p><p>Im sure they believe that their great AA changes with the new expansion will change things.  We'll see.</p><p> </p>

[Landiin]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Landiin wrote:<div></div><div></div>why not <- remove flame bait-> when Gaige post, because that is all he post here for is to start flames. <font color="#ffff00">He knows all he has to do is say any thing in here and it starts one.</font><hr></blockquote>Perhaps others need to exercise some self-restraint and maturity then.  How about if they can't respond to me reasonably and within the rules, then <em>they</em> should be the ones not to post.<hr></blockquote>Why don't you?

[StrollingWolf]

<div></div><p><span>This thread is spiraling out of control. Please try to respond to other posters civilly.</span></p><p><span></span> </p><p><span>Thank you.</span></p>