Tower of Stone Post LU #18

[Tro]

<DIV>Can anyone comment please on if the damage taken reduction was significant or barely noticable? My guess is they reduced the damage taken by 0.006 %. Has anyone used it enough since the update to give their experience with it...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks!!</DIV>

[Reebwen]

<div></div>Here are the results I put up  on Axors thread.http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=29239<div></div><p>Message Edited by Reebwen on <span class=date_text>12-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:44 AM</span>

[Tro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Reebwen wrote:<BR> Here are the results I put up  on Axors thread.<BR>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=29239<BR><BR> <P>Message Edited by Reebwen on <SPAN class=date_text>12-21-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:44 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thanks a bunch.. Appreciate it.</P> <P>So can we assume that nothing changed from the time you did that testing to the time the LU was pushed? </P>

[TunaBoo]

I have master tower. Tested it, 4% damage per proc (so 12 per use).<div></div>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>Adept 3 is 6% on a fabled, haven't checked other levels of shields yet. If different, will edit post.</P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P>

[TunaBoo]

lvl of shield don't matter<div></div>

[Tro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aven Elonis wrote:<BR> <P>Adept 3 is 6% on a fabled, haven't checked other levels of shields yet. If different, will edit post.</P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Wow.. so Adept III went from 18% pre LU to 4% post LU.. Nice!!!<BR>

[Tro]

<P>This maybe a stupid question but I cannot find tower of Stone on any Guard CA listing. Is it an Ancient? if so then how does one go about getting it if it isn't on the broker.. or going for some ridiculous price? </P> <P>Please excuse my noobness and be gentle <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>It is an ancient power spell (one of three that Guardians get, Reinforcement is one, I forget the other.) (Guessing I don't use it, eh) <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>The Adept I version of all 3 can drop as loot, check broker for those. Otherwise, get the rares and get Tower of Stone and Reinforcement made for sure.</P> <P>The Adept III version of Tower of Stone went from 10% (on fabled shields, more damage on treasured, etc) to 6% on all shields regardless of quality.</P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P>

[Tro]

<DIV>Ok great.. Can someone tell me what level ToS is plz? and what is the  third Ancient we get? I have Re-Enforcement..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for all the help )</DIV>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>I think it is 54, not on at moment, so can't be certain.</P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P>

[Wasuna]

Ancients are level 51, 55 & 58. I'm almost positive that ToS is level 58.

[Aven Elonis]

<P>Yeah what he said.</P> <P>How's this sound - 52 (Reinforcement), 55 (Sentry Watch), 58 (Tower of Stone) ? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P>

[DotC0m]

I'm about to hit 52 should I have Reinforcement Adept 3 waiting for me or should I use my rares on other combat arts?? <p>Message Edited by DotC0m on <span class=date_text>12-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:50 AM</span>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>Reinforcement is worth an Adept 3 for it.  It is pretty effective at getting aggro back. I like using before my group aggro or hit CAs.</P> <P>But that just my opinion. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P>

[Timzil]

Still F'n worthless unless you only do 3 or 4 encounters a day.

[Wasuna]

I actually have 4 crappy quest tower shields. I am gonna start using this ability now on big fights and just swap back out to my fabled shield when the ability is over.

[Aven Elonis]

<P>Same here, have a hotbar of Tower Shields, and use it to swap them out as needed on big fights. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P>

[Tro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aven Elonis wrote:<BR> <P>Same here, have a hotbar of Tower Shields, and use it to swap them out as needed on big fights. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Can you please explain how to setup the hotbar to swap out shields.. Thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>Uh, ok.</P> <P>Put  2 to 11 tower shields in your inventory (i.e. backpacks). (I think have 7, plus the kite shield from Roost that I use at the moment.)</P> <P>Create a new hotbar (blank). I had to clear one for this, since there are only 10 or so.</P> <P>Drag the shield you have equipped to the first slot on this "new" hotbar.</P> <P>Drag tower shields from your inventory to the hotbar.</P> <P>The equipped shield can be switched out with another shield on the hotbar, by clicking on that other shield on the hotbar.</P> <P>This same idea works with any equipment in inventory that you'd like to equip (i.e. buffing rings for example.) This ability was added in one of the LUs, I forget which one.</P> <P>Good luck,</P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P>

[Tro]

Woot! that rocks.. I had no idea.. Must have missed that. thanks a ton!!

[Urglu]

<DIV>Continuing the hotswap derail, does anyone know how to use the hotbar to swap out 2 of the same type of ring? I have a hotbar system to swap in/out all my PR gear, however once I switch out my first Vanadium Ring, I can't get the next one to switch out.  Same thing happens when I try to swap them back in.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there any solution to this? Not that it is THAT big a deal, just slightly irritating. </DIV>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>Hotswap seems to work on second ring slot but not first.</P> <P>I have Ring of Fate in first slot and pearl ring of wisdom in second, I swap it out with 3 other rings for buffs. </P> <P>I can't seem to swap out with Ring of Fate correctly (or any ring in the first slot). Have gotten use to it, so haven't worried about too much.</P> <P>I plan to look into creating hotbars for resist gear, just to make my life easier. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P>Aven Elonis</P> <P>60 Guardian, Steamfont, Keepers of the Oak</P>

[Xiza]

<div></div>You can just make 1 hotkey for your tower shields( assuming you only use the ironwoods)Open up inventory, left click hold-and drag one of your ironwoods(from inv not secondary) to a open hotkey space.  When you need to use ToS, right click and equip the tower shield, pop the ToS CA, it will find the freshest tower shield as well when your shield gets damaged.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Xiza on <span class=date_text>12-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:58 AM</span>

[Wasuna]

I have this as an Adept 1. I used it the other day and it took my T5 fabled shiled down to 76%.

[mastersard]

<P>It's a shame that any skill damages a piece of equipment.  Buying arrows i understand.  Buying poisons i understand.  These are things scouts know they must do when they roll their character.  But a shield is not a consumable.</P> <P>This effect should be removed.</P>

[Wasuna]

I agree that it's s shame that we have to damage equipment. I do not agree that it's fair for others to have to buy their DPS. Rangers can summon their arrows. It's only posion that scouts have to buy to make their DPS equaly to what SOE said their Teir is suppose to be. That is unfair. Posion was added in beta and there was a HUGE outcry about it and SOE completely ignored it. My wife is an Assassin and she is a level 60 alchemist just so she can make her own posion and save a few bucks.

[SniperKitty]

Whine whine whine... is that all you guardians do?  Hrm, you don't wanna buy shields... think scouts should get poisons for free... maybe I should whine that I shouldn't have to buy spells or armor and just get all the upgrades for free? <div></div>

[mastersard]

<DIV>i miss Gaige...he at least makes intellegent responses to our arguments.</DIV>

[SniperKitty]

Why waste the time when your arguments and whines and gripes are just meaningless drivel?  The morons whining on this forum about how crappy their guardian is now are just a bunch of ignorant noobs that want ezmode/godmode back for their class and only their class.  They don't want any other tank intruding on their holy task of being the main tank. Meaningless drivel and pointless bullcrap. <div></div>

[mastersard]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SniperKitty wrote:<BR><BR>Meaningless drivel and pointless bullcrap.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>"O yea black kettle" said the pot.<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since when is it wrong to ask that our class be fixed?  We are questioning the reason our equipment has to be damaged for us to use one of our <EM>class defining skills.</EM></DIV>

[SniperKitty]

<span><blockquote><hr><font color="#ffff00">mastersardis wrote:</font><font color="#ffff00"> </font> <div><font color="#ffff00">Since when is it wrong to ask that our class be fixed?  We are questioning the reason our equipment has to be damaged for us to use one of our </font><font color="#ffff00"><em>class defining skills.</em></font></div><hr>Because SOE said so.  That's all the reason you need.  You're just a simple player.  You have no clue what's best for the game.  As evidenced by the vast amounts of crap the guardians keep suggesting to "fix" their class.  You're not asking for the class to be fixed.  You're asking for it to be put back to it's orginal design as the godmode of tanks. If SOE did even part of what the players asked, the game would be so [Removed for Content]'d it'd be ridiculous.  I trust the devs to do what's right and so far... my trust has been well placed.  I am enjoying the game moreso now than I did at release. </blockquote></span><div></div>

[Wasuna]

<P>If you think all of this is:</P> <P>"Meaningless drivel and pointless bullcrap."</P> <P>then why do you come here? Bored, like causing arguments? If you actually posted anything other than your personal opinion then maybe somebody would take even a single thing you say serious. Right now your just trying to cause flaming and that will get reported and dealt with I'm sure. Why don't you go fight more oragne con mobs with your level 20 something paladin in offensive stance with a 2 hander and come back and give us some more lessons. I'm sure the Guardian forum is the perfect place for that totally on target 100% acurate personal opinion.</P>

[SniperKitty]

<div></div>"Why don't you go fight more oragne con mobs with your level 20 something paladin in offensive stance with a 2 hander and come back and give us some more lessons." My paladin is lvl 36.  The zerker is lvl 27.  My monk is lvl 25.  My healer is lvl 53 (soooo close to 54).  Having played three types of tanks and several healers, to various levels, I think I am quite qualified on expressing what is and what isn't a good idea to do in game as the tank.  My zerker uses a steel imbued claymore to tank with in offensive stance as well.  I tried dual wielding and just couldn't keep aggro that way.  Those big hits from a 2h weapon though seem to [Removed for Content] the mobs off a lot.  Making it easier to hold aggro.  Especially with the method I use to tank with. My problem with all the guardian crybabies on the forum, is that they seem to be the only ones I ever see whining about their class in the game itself.  In game, I group with guardians regularly.  They're awesome tanks.  I rarely have problems with them holding aggro on anything.  The monk I grouped with last night in Silent City... what a joke.  He couldn't hold aggro on single targets half the time.  Good thing we found another tank to take his spot.  The monk just didn't know how to play a tank properly and was one of those idiots that rolled a monk to be dps.  I wish I could brand DPS on every [Removed for Content]'s head that rolled a monk or bruiser for that reason.  That way I could avoid them like the plague. <div></div><p>Message Edited by SniperKitty on <span class=date_text>12-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:44 PM</span>

[Krooner]

<DIV>Sniperkitty wrote: My problem with all the guardian crybabies on the forum, is that they seem to be the only ones I ever see whining about their class in the game itself. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No sorry.</DIV> <DIV>After LU13 a lot of us lost heart.  Still others stuck it out and leveled their guardians until the manotamy got the better of them.  Still others played other classes that became more important to their guild then their guardians.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I played a Guardian from Day1 to POST LU13.</DIV> <DIV>I have had civil debates with Gaige and the other non guardians who come here and discuss tanking issues.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I my opinion there is still an unwarrented divide between Guardians DPS / Ulility and other fighters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Wasuna]

<P>Why would I ever complain about my Guardian in game? Should I make my friends feel bad? Should I make my guild feel bad? The game is the game and I don't have to like what happened to my Guardian to enjoy myself. I work on quest and do things with my wife. Just becasue I strive to have fun when I am in game and accomplish things does not in any way mean I accept what the situation is for the Guardian class.</P> <P>If you don't hear complaining in game then your around people that don't want to bring you down. I know I do just as well as anybody else when I'm the tank. I'm all fine with that. When I do not tank I get frustrated becasue I can't do anything else worthwhile. That doesn't mean I [Removed for Content] and moan about it to my friends.</P> <P> </P>

[Urglu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SniperKitty wrote:<BR> <BR>My paladin is lvl 36.  The zerker is lvl 27.  My monk is lvl 25.  My healer is lvl 53 (soooo close to 54).  Having played three types of tanks and several healers, to various levels, I think I am quite qualified on expressing what is and what isn't a good idea to do in game as the tank. <BR> <P>  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ummm no you aren't. My Guardian is lvl 60 and my Bruiser is level 60 so I think I am qualified to tell you to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] because you are an idiot.<BR></P>

[Krooner]

<DIV>Dammmmnnn Urglunt  Sniper got told.....snap snap</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kikena]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Warbird1 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Dammmmnnn Urglunt  Sniper got told.....snap snap</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>LOL. yeah he did.</P> <P> </P> <P>Guardians can not do much but tank for groups per they're design. I don't mind not being the MT for a group as long as I'm in the group and getting goals accomplished. At least I'm playing the game and enjoying myself at that point.</P> <P>As a Gaurdian I do go to the trouble of upgrading my gear and CAs when affordable and am Legendary or better in gear.</P> <P>Someone else want to MT? Go for it. Idiots or non-skilled eventually show themselves and I get called to the front.</P> <P>Does making suggestions changes or improvements classify one as a petty whiner? That's for the individual to decide. Inciting other players to negative comments serves no purpose and is grounds for censure.</P> <P>Will hateful people always post and try to incite more hate? Of course they will. Ignore the b astards.</P> <P>Play the game, enjoy yourself, ignore forum taunting and flaming.</P> <P>Guardians are Guardians are Gaurdians. </P> <P>Do your job. Practice your skill. You will come to appreciate the role when other players see your dedication and the benefits you provide to them.</P>

[Wli]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kikenata wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>...</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Guardians can not do much but tank for groups per they're design. I don't mind not being the MT for a group as long as I'm in the group and getting goals accomplished. At least I'm playing the game and enjoying myself at that point.</P> <P>As a Gaurdian I do go to the trouble of upgrading my gear and CAs when affordable and am Legendary or better in gear.</P> <P>Someone else want to MT? Go for it. Idiots or non-skilled eventually show themselves and I get called to the front.</P> <P>Does making suggestions changes or improvements classify one as a petty whiner? That's for the individual to decide. Inciting other players to negative comments serves no purpose and is grounds for censure.</P> <P>Will hateful people always post and try to incite more hate? Of course they will. Ignore the b astards.</P> <P>Play the game, enjoy yourself, ignore forum taunting and flaming.</P> <P>Guardians are Guardians are Gaurdians. </P> <P>Do your job. Practice your skill. You will come to appreciate the role when other players see your dedication and the benefits you provide to them.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Yes, all that. Very well writen. Ovation for Kikenata. (No, no sarcasm here, I think she(?) hit the home base)</P> <P>I think the game "status quo" changed a lot, with LU13. AND, the guardian class got the bigger change. The funny part is, the guardian is the tank that got the last change in "game play". Guardian was a tank, and is still a tank. Very little changed there. For other fighters the change was, prolly, a lot larger.(I don't play other fighter class, so I am guessing here, educated, but guessing)</P> <P>BUT, that status quo deviation(!) did hit us guardians in the face, very hard. OK, it's almost 4 months now. We saw that we need, as entry level, legendary gear and CAs. We saw that taunts are resisted, exponetial, as the con grows(green-blue-white-yellow-orange). Some lost the fun, for various reasons(I was ubar, now I quit!, or I can't solo as the others, I roll another class!, or ... well etc.) Some hang with their guilds and friends. And some kept doing what they did.(like I did. My play time is 3 hours off-set with my guild mates, level wise. I craft, I harvest, I solo quest with invis, guts and potions :smileytongue: ) We adapt, and we play.</P> <P> </P> <P>All the time I was here, writing what is wrong, I never stopped playing my guard, and I did never think I would stop "if SoE don't take notice, if THINGS don't change etc...". I was here with the desire for a possible "something better". A better game for all.</P> <P>And, with that in mind, I don't think the guardian "flavor" will change. That more DPS will be added, or CAs will be radically changed/scrapped. What is now is what it is. But, it isn't all ok. And, after reading the other classes boards, I don't say it isn't ok only for guardians. Something is wrong with the game mechanic.</P> <P> </P> <P>So now I ask you guys about this. The combat system isn't well balanced.</P> <P>Looks like avoidance(take the swash tank posts) is playing too much on the encounters.</P> <P>Arcane damage(magic/disease/cold/heat/mental/poison) is too spread on the XP-group content, even for the ones that can have "resist armor sets".</P> <P>Aggro management is a bit off, as the resist mechanic is too random, even with challenge in mind.</P> <P>And what more. humm. I would say, as for the fun factor, quest "shareability(!)" is a must, by now. To form a group, get all in motion, and really accomplish something is very hard, with 6 minds all set in diferent directions ... oh well, I am dabling now ... sorry ...</P> <P> </P> <P>And thats another random post from yours trully ... :smileywink:</P> <P> </P> <P>PS. And to cover all that, the dev team is there, working their a** off. Some day they will reach a "stable plane". I just hope it's earlier than ...<BR></P>

[Wli]

<P>HA !!! Way to miss post, sorry.</P> <P>Back to Tower of Stone please ... :smileytongue: :robottongue: :mantongue:</P>

[mastersard]

<DIV>I just can't understand why every buff or stance or special ability I use has a HUGE negative effect.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why do i have to root myself to be a better tank?</DIV> <DIV>Why do i have to snare myself to have near-stable agro control?</DIV> <DIV>Why the hell do i have to break my shield to use a tanking skill?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can understand less DPS when focused on defence (stance), and ledd defence when focused on DPS (stance), but these others...they're pointless.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let me have <EM>fun</EM> again.  I'll pay you to do it!!</DIV>

[Aethane]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SniperKitty wrote:<BR> "Why don't you go fight more oragne con mobs with your level 20 something paladin in offensive stance with a 2 hander and come back and give us some more lessons."<BR><BR>My paladin is lvl 36.  The zerker is lvl 27.  My monk is lvl 25.  My healer is lvl 53 (soooo close to 54).Big woop, <FONT color=#33ccff>My guardian is 58(guildMT), my Paladin is level 30, and my cleric is level 20, Yet you do not see me professing to knowing all about healers and what is broken or not about their classes, face it sniperdummy, you are an ignorant choad. </FONT> Having played three types of tanks and several healers, to various levels, I think I am quite qualified on expressing what is and what isn't a good idea to do in game as the tank.  My zerker uses a steel imbued claymore to tank with in offensive stance as well.  I tried dual wielding and just couldn't keep aggro that way.  Those big hits from a 2h weapon though seem to [Removed for Content] the mobs off a lot.  Making it easier to hold aggro.  Especially with the method I use to tank with. <FONT color=#33ccff>Try that on the stuff i tank daily and you'd be kissing dirt.<BR><BR></FONT>My problem with all the guardian crybabies on the forum, is that they seem to be the only ones I ever see whining about their class in the game itself.  In game, I group with guardians regularly.  They're awesome tanks.  I rarely have problems with them holding aggro on anything.<FONT color=#3399ff>You will be hard pressed to find anybody i group with that would say i suck, but they are aware of my classe's shortcomings as my guild leader also plays a level 35 Guardian alt and he plays accordingly when grouped with me as his level 60 ranger</FONT>.<FONT color=#3399ff>However that doesn't mean we don't have issues with our class</FONT>.  The monk I grouped with last night in Silent City... what a joke.  He couldn't hold aggro on single targets half the time.  Good thing we found another tank to take his spot.  The monk just didn't know how to play a tank properly and was one of those idiots that rolled a monk to be dps.  I wish I could brand DPS on every [Removed for Content]'s head that rolled a monk or bruiser for that reason.  That way I could avoid them like the plague.<FONT color=#3399ff> I wish i could brand dumba$$ on the forehead of f^&8tards like you everytime i hear your uninformed baseless opinions, but it wouldn't matter because i can't avoid morons like you coming to my classes forums, whom have never played a Guardian, telling us we are fine, nothing broke, move along.<BR></FONT> <P>Message Edited by SniperKitty on <SPAN class=date_text>12-27-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:44 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>