Guardian problems

[TerylBy]

<DIV>ok, I like my 40 Guardian a lot, i play him a lot more than my 29 wiz or 24 necro because i just love to be right in the middle of the fight (plus the great view from the front line when everyone does wipe out <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ).  I can understand if they dont wanna take the time to fix us because of the numbers ( on kithicor server saw like 15 guardians in 5 min in my starting city) but why not fix SOME of the stuff.  i wont quit playing because of it, even though most people with pick a monk to tank before me in a lot of cases, but something being done would be nice, like the dps. i dont think the hp is a problem, at 40 i'm already close to my 53sk buddy hp wise, but come on, we are the big boys, we should be able to go into rampages when our hp gets low, and our base damage output should be higher...does anyone agree with me on this??</DIV>

[Raahl]

<P>"i wont quit playing because of it"</P> <P>This is the one of the main reasons you won't see a fix anytime soon.  Sony is working on a number of other things in game, including other classes.  Why fix Guardians when it doesn't affect their bottom line?</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Raahl on <span class=date_text>12-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:56 AM</span>

[TerylBy]

<DIV>well the only problem i've had is that clerics (even on the same level as me) have problems keeping me alive when compared to the heals they can dish out and the mobs i'm tanking, now call me crazy but i've been tanking in higher than me level zones for a while, at 39 was tanking lvl 48^^^ mobs with a group, tough and long fights but come on, shouldn't their heals hit for higher?  I mean, (forgive me for comparing) but on eq1 clerics got a complete heal, and several really uber HoT's, what the deal here?? i've never played a cleric here so, forgive me if i'm ignorant about the class, i only know that you dont make the cleric mad <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Raahl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerylByar wrote:<BR> <DIV>well the only problem i've had is that clerics (even on the same level as me) have problems keeping me alive when compared to the heals they can dish out and the mobs i'm tanking, now call me crazy but i've been tanking in higher than me level zones for a while, at 39 was tanking lvl 48^^^ mobs with a group, tough and long fights but come on, shouldn't their heals hit for higher?  I mean, (forgive me for comparing) but on eq1 clerics got a complete heal, and several really uber HoT's, what the deal here?? i've never played a cleric here so, forgive me if i'm ignorant about the class, i only know that you dont make the cleric mad <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>How the heck are you tanking a mob 9 levels higher than you?  Your taunts would get resisted 100% of the time.  Could you explain this?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardians are nothing but a power sync for healer types.  Perhaps it's Sony's way to make sure that we have 2 healers in the group?</DIV>

[TerylBy]

<DIV>i'm not uber, nothing special or anything like that, we had a guild group going, had a 50 wizzy, 44 necro, 46 sk, and a 40 inquis.. the only reason i WAS able to tank is because the amount of dps the group was doin was taking them down faster than i was getting whooped up on, all in all i didn't honestly have that hard of a time doin it, as long as the healer kept on his toes we did allright, we would split the mobs using the necros pet until we drop the bigger one.  Let me reiterate that, i was the only one on hand to tank, because for some reason, (which he still hasn't told me why) the 50 guardian wanted to play his necro :/</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. taunts didn't really get resisted...i only use 2 anyway, and taunt pull reguardless</DIV><p>Message Edited by TerylByar on <span class=date_text>12-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:11 AM</span>

[laxi26]

<DIV>"Guardians are nothing but a power sync for healer types.  Perhaps it's Sony's way to make sure that we have 2 healers in the group?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I recently switched guilds, and found to my surprise and pleasure that the new guild wants and uses Guardians as MT´s, im 58 now and grp alot with 60 zerker, 60 monk and 60 fury and I´m always MT, I´m not having any problems holding agro and they can dish out all the dps they want, going uber defensive and tanking 60 to 62 herics and named the healer typically uses about 15% of his power pr. mob so I dont see a problem there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We chose this class to tank, not to do dps, everybody agrees on that... personally i´d just like to see some of our CA´s tweaked.</DIV>

[NighthawkX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TerylByar wrote:<BR> <DIV>i'm not uber, nothing special or anything like that, we had a guild group going, had a 50 wizzy, 44 necro, 46 sk, and a 40 inquis.. the only reason i WAS able to tank is because the amount of dps the group was doin was taking them down faster than i was getting whooped up on, all in all i didn't honestly have that hard of a time doin it, as long as the healer kept on his toes we did allright, we would split the mobs using the necros pet until we drop the bigger one.  Let me reiterate that, i was the only one on hand to tank, because for some reason, (which he still hasn't told me why) the 50 guardian wanted to play his necro :/</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. taunts didn't really get resisted...i only use 2 anyway, and taunt pull reguardless</DIV> <P>Message Edited by TerylByar on <SPAN class=date_text>12-06-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:11 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>And why wasn't the 46 shadowknight tanking, he would of been a heck of a lot better tank being 7 levels higher.  Or are you one of those people that believe guardians should always be the tank no matter what the group makeup.  Also yes the red mob should of been planting you in the turf a heck of a lot faster than your healer could keep up. <p>Message Edited by NighthawkX on <span class=date_text>12-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:06 AM</span>

[TerylBy]

<DIV>lol...no..i was voted to tank, i didn't mind, heck, if you cant have fun then why play at all ???? They just said " hey cerd, go get us a few" and i said "ok". end of story..we wiped like 3 times, i died 4 so we didn't altogether do all that badly, it really surprised me to tell ya the truth, i just wanted to see what my limits were.  found out alright <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(edit) and yes..i know we are just mana sponges, we are there so the casters dont have to take a beating <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />( <<war on eq1 as well)</DIV> <DIV>I'm just saying that come on, if we are tanking..we might as well get some better damage output.</DIV><p>Message Edited by TerylByar on <span class=date_text>12-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:22 AM</span>

[SkarlSpeedbu]

I am pretty sure, in the tank realm, level is one of the most key reasons that you would be voted as MT.  Level is over all, then equipment, etc IMO.

[TerylBy]

<DIV>eh...they are just hard on me, i dont mind doing stuff like that.  Your gonna die, it's a part of playing and taking risks, everytime you pull a mob there is a chance of wiping out, so why worrie about it.  I dont like to die, and do everything i can to keep the whole group from wiping out in a situation that might go bad.  thats my job, the fall man :/ .  ya live ya die ya xp, work tradeskills or whatever, it's a part of playing.</DIV>

[Bravem]

<P><FONT size=2>I'm bring up new Berserker. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>In my opinion, Guardian's problem is on wrong skill. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Guardian is defend class as a rule.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>The thoughts that came uppermost to one’s mind is protect himself first , not to other.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>If self defend is a dime a dozen, he shouldn't protect other.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>After 13 patch, All milly class is equalized in tanking ability.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Especially, Guardian & Berserker's tanking ability is similarly.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Paladin & SK is not bad too.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Berserker have razy mode. (This is amazing nice , I'm satisfied.)</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Paladin have heal & ward.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>SK have great deal ability(proc).</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>But Guardian fell empty something.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Guardian too much have 'protect sombody else skill'</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>That focus(Guardian's) induce some unbalance because other class's skill&buff</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>is convergenced  for themselves, but only Guardian's skill is dispersion for the other. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Sure, Guardian is guard. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>but guard must have iron defend first. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>That is protect other class automatically. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Now to conclude, Guardian's buff or skill must concentrate  self-buff reinforcement, not to other.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>I was in agony  between Guardian & Berserker.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>But I scrutinzed skill list , select Berserker soon.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2> Now, Guardian is not bad.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>but if Dev should improve on something in guardian's balance, first fix on something wrong about 'buff or skill'</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Guardian's defend ability isn't  prominent now.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Or shoestring from they need.  </FONT></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><FONT size=2>Actually, this is not my problem. </FONT></SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text><FONT size=2>But hope all fighter class will have fairly  individual character <SPAN class=time_text>without exception. </SPAN></FONT></P></SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Good luck. </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Bravemen on <span class=date_text>12-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:43 AM</span>

[TerylBy]

<DIV>dont get me wrong, guardians are [Removed for Content] when it comes to damage, but on the other hand our defense abilities should really be improved if we are going to be nothing but meat bags, i know i know, i chose the class, i knew what i was getting into.  But really, they either need to improve the guardians defensive abilities or the clerics healing ability, i have both and sure they are nice, but at 42 knockin on 3900 hp it gets kinda hard to heal me sometimes when the damage is rolling away on me.</DIV>

[Wasuna]

<P>Preaching to the chior friend. Guardians were the best tanks pru LU13. All tanks were overpowered when buffs were stacked on them but Guardisn could buff their own defense and make it look to the monster your fighting that they are an extra level or two higher then they are. That was all well and good until more and more people hit level 50. All the sudden all those fighters that had fun doing DPS, playing with odd little utility spells and doing the odd tanking in groups got bored and wanted to be equal tanks.</P> <P>I'm fine with them being equal but SOE decided that equal meant all fighters could tank equally. Ok, so now all fighters tank like Guardians or vice versa and Guardisn got nothing to compensate them for this. No DPS, no useable utility, nothing. Now we tank the same as everybody else and have no other qualitities to make people want to play them.</P> <P>SOE has stated that Guardians are balanced and based on the changes in the upcomming patch they must feel more than happy where we stand with other classes.</P>