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Barakuz

11-18-2005, 03:03 AM

<DIV>Hello All</DIV> <DIV>This is my first post on the forum, althought I have been lurking for a while.</DIV> <DIV>Firstly, I would like to thank you all for championing the cause of the Guardian (Unsung Hero) since the LU13 downgrade.</DIV> <DIV>EQ2 is my first RPG / MMOPRG experience, even thought I have played other online games and beta tested a few over the past 6 years.</DIV> <DIV>My name is Barakuzz, I am a mid level Guardian (lvl 36 now) I have found my first RPG experience to be somewhat disheartening - this is in no part because of the community...if it wasn't for you guys and my fellow guild members I would have hung up my armour months ago.</DIV> <DIV>Basically, my frustration stems for the lack of feedback from the devs, lack of attention to an obviously broken class, and what I perceive as "Unfair treatment" for a class we all (or did) enjoy playing.</DIV> <DIV>I am not uber...most of my stuff is pretty middle of the road, I don't have a lot of time to play so I often solo...but really enjoy the group experience. I have raided 3 times with my guild "North Star" not as the MT, but as a low level character that wanted to experience the cameraderie of the Raid...basically, I stood a watched and cheered them on - occasionally running in to take a swipe then run like crap before they could take a swing back at me...but it was great fun.</DIV> <DIV>I don't proffess to be the best Guardian out there....but I take pride in at least knowing that no members of my group will die, without my "Unsung Hero" corpse lying on the ground first.</DIV> <DIV>I am an "Un-sung" and largely unwanted hero, since LU13.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, devs and fellow Guardians...please take a moment to read this compilation of changes since LU13.</DIV> <DIV>Devs if you could comment on why our plight has been ignored for so long, whilst the other classes issues appear to be addressed I would be greatly appreciative - just let me know if I am wasting my time in the hope that you will show us some "fairness" because at the moment it is not evident.</DIV> <DIV>And finally before reading the compilation below...I am happy for the other classes (good hunting all) - THIS IS NOT A NERF REQUEST.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>September 14th first update post LU13</DIV> <DIV>Monk changes: - Wind Walk will no longer penalize movement speed. Warlock changes: - The Flashfreeze spell line will properly land its stun on enemies.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>September 15th update</DIV> <DIV>Swashbuckler changes: - Hamstring and Disable no longer require you to be in a specific position to use them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>September 16th update</DIV> <DIV>Berserker changes: - Rampage no longer has an initial cost but now costs power for each triggered attack. It now attempts a standard melee attack each time it triggers for every target in the area instead of always guaranteeing damage. Brigand changes: - Ruse is now toggleable. Bruiser changes: - The damage done by Savage Blows has been slightly reduced to be appropriate for an AoE attack. Enchanter changes: - Charm is now only effective on targets level 24 and lower. Fury changes: - Fleshweave, Wild Bloodflow, and Untamed Bloodflow can now be used on raid members. Priest changes: - Cure spells now have the "Cure:" prefix attached to their name. Scout changes: - The duration listed in Escape's examine info should now be more clear. Sorcerer changes: - The Tongue Twist line has had its control duration reduced, its power increased slightly, and cast time changes to half a second. Warden changes: - Undergrowth now has a 20-second reuse. - The Undergrowth and Ensnaring Roots lines should be resisted less frequently. Warlock changes: - Bony Grasp now has a 20-second reuse. Wizard changes: - Ring of Cold now has a 20-second reuse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>September 17th update Mystic changes: - Shadowy Attendant should now work correctly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>September 20th update</DIV> <DIV>Berserker changes: - Raging Blows is now named Raging Press. Necromancer changes: - The effects of Unliving Eyes should now show visible effects to the Necromancer's party. - Nylph's Skeletal Regiment should once again change the Necromancer's group into skeletons. Warlock changes: - Hate generated by the damage produced from Nihilism will now go to the recipient of the buff. - Netheros should now scale in level with the Warlock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>September 21st update</DIV> <DIV>Bruiser changes: - Bruising Spirit, Strapping Spirit and Deadly Spirit once again consume health every 6 seconds while the buff is active. </DIV> <DIV>September 28th update Ranger changes: - Arrow Rip will now summon Indium Arrows. Warrior changes: - Hold the Line can now be canceled via the Maintained window.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>October 5th LU14 update Berserker changes: - The Berserk visual effect of the Furious Rage line has a slightly different appearance. Fury changes: - The proc portion of Savage Feast will no longer be dispelled as a hostile effect. Ranger changes: - Indium arrows summoned via Arrow Rip will now function at the proper level. Warden changes: - Essence of the Great Bear now shares the same resistances as the rest of the spell line. - Protecting Grove should once again be healing group members. October 6th update Coercer changes: - The stifle portion of Harrowing Silence will no longer affect epic targets. Necromancer changes: - Death Rot, as well as other spells in the line, can now be cast by more than one Necromancer and stack on the same target. Warlock changes: - The range of Nihilism is now 20 meters instead of 10 meters. Wizard changes: - The range of Frostshield is now 20 meters instead of 10 meters. October 7th update Conjurer changes: - Conjurer's Mark spells now also proc a Magic resistance debuff to enhance their existing spell damage types. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fury changes: - All Fury specialty regen and group specialty regen heals last for 12 seconds instead of 14. The amount healed per tick has been increased.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Druid changes: - Bloom now has a 1-second cast time and an increased initial heal amount. - Effloresce now has a 1.5-second cast time and increased initial heal amount. - Sylvan Wind now has a 1.5-second cast time and increased initial heal amount. - All Druid specialty regen and group specialty regen heals last for 12 seconds instead of 14. The amount healed per tick has been increased.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Warden changes: - All Warden specialty regen and group specialty regen heals last for 12 seconds instead of 14. The amount healed per tick has been increased. - Nature's Healing now has a 1-second cast time and an increased initial heal amount. - Nature's Embrace now has a 1.5-second cast time and increased initial heal amount. - Healing Breeze now has a 1.5-second cast time and increased initial heal amount.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>October 19th LU15 update</DIV> <DIV>Bard changes: - Selo's no longer expires and can be toggled off. Bruiser changes: - Break Through now shows a maintained icon. Coercer changes: - Smirking Demeanor and its upgrades should now have an orange icon background. - Mind Splice now has a better chance to land on the target. - Terrible Awe no longer triggers the area effect damage Heroic Opportunity. - Power of Suggestion no longer increases the group's Agility and Intelligence. These bonuses were moved to a more appropriate spell line. - Signet of Insight now increases the group's Agility and Intelligence. It increases these stats by a greater amount than the Power of Suggestion line had. Conjurer changes: - Flaming Agony now has a better chance to land on the target. - Stoneskin will now scale appropriately as the caster levels. Defiler changes: - Mail of Souls correctly cures Piercing effects instead of Mental effects. - Abominus will no longer cause falling damage when players are under water. Dirge changes: - Scream of Death now has the correct stealth hit bonus. Enchanter changes: - Upgrades to Mind Blast can now be crafted and obtained as drops. Fighter changes: - Offense is a new offensive stance granted at level 6. - Goading Gesture had its power cost reduced. Guardian changes: - Desperate Offensive is a new offensive stance granted at level 22. Illusionist changes: - Cerebral Tempest is now properly granted at level 36. Inquisitor changes: - Cruel Invocation now has a reuse timer of 3 seconds instead of 25. Monk changes: - Will of the Sky now correctly dispels noxious effects. - Jolting Hands no longer has a duration. It will still cancel after 8 triggers have been reached. Mystic changes: - Water Spirit will no longer cause falling damage when players are under water. Paladin changes: - Courageous Wrath is a new offensive stance granted at level 22. - Courageous Wrath, Implacable Wrath, and Unyielding Wrath are now classified as Combat Arts and provide a Strength bonus. - Redemption can now be canceled by the recipient of the spell. Predator changes: - The description for Hunt should now correctly refer to See Invisible. Priest changes: - Bounty of the Virtuous now has a recast time of 5 seconds. The power gain has been increased slightly to better match its power cost. Ranger changes: - The icon for Dance of Leaves now matches the rest of the spell line. Rogue changes: - Gouge now has an improved Parry debuff. - The description for Snoop should now correctly refer to See Stealth. Scout changes: - Pathfinding no longer expires and can be toggled off. Shadowknight changes: - Dark Sword is a new offensive stance granted at level 22. - Dark Sword, Grim Sword, and Plague Sword are now classified as Combat Arts. Shaman changes: - Breath of Spirits had its recast timer lowered to 7.5 seconds instead of 9. Sorcerer changes: - Iceflame is no longer unresistable. Summoner changes: - The Dust Blast spell line now deals Magic instead of Crushing damage. - Swarm of Bats now has a better chance to land on the target. Swashbuckler changes: - Playful Swipe now has a more potent DPS debuff - Frigid Throw scrolls and recipes now have the correct name instead of Frigid Blast. Troubador changes: - Quiron's Joyous Celebration had its casting icon changed to not confuse it with other group songs. Warden changes: - Nature's Touch and Equinox now heal a percentage of health rather than a raw amount. - Nature's Ally should now scale with level like other swarm pets. Warlock changes: - Invite Void had its health cost slightly increased to match the price that other mages must pay to restore power. - Dark Pact now grants a slightly smaller casting skill bonus. - Nil Absolution now uses the same Heroic Opportunity advancement as the previous spells in the line. Wizard changes: - Augmentation is now properly granted at level 49. - Pulsing Flash scrolls and recipes now have correct name instead of Scorching Pulse. </DIV> <DIV>November 9th LU16 update ***** Finally some changes to the Guardian, but as a mid-level (36 Guard) they didn't add up to anything significant.</DIV> <DIV>Assassin changes: - Cut Throat had its hit and damage bonus improved, and its stifle duration was increased. - Cripple is now a positional attack, and its recast time reduced from 3 minutes to 60 seconds. Its HO symbol is now a cloak. - Slaughter had its arc widened and lengthened, and its casting time was reduced from 3 to 1.5 seconds. - Bleeder's Talent had its DPS benefit doubled. - Blade Frenzy's proc now has an increased chance to hit. - Makeshift Weapon had its casting time reduced to 1 second, and it no longer has a positional requirement. - Hidden Assault had its casting time reduced to 1 second. Its DoT duration was halved, but its tick count was not decreased. - Head Shot and Cripple can now be performed before stealth breaks, instead of breaking stealth in order to use them. - Punch Blade will now function when Brigand's Run Through is active. - Numbing Strike had its damage slightly increased. The root effect now has a chance to break on damage rather than having a chance to break periodically. - Improvised Weapon and Contrived Weapon no longer have positional requirements. - Crippling Strike now requires that the Assassin be behind the target, and its HO icon was changed to a cloak. Bard changes: - Reproaching Discante and Zander's Choral Rebuff now have a casting time of 1 second and a reuse time of 2 seconds. - The Songster's Luck line now has updated icons to reduce confusion with other songs. Berserker changes: - Furious Rush now does crushing damage. - The Berserk effect no longer plays an animation when triggered. - Wall of Fury now costs less power and boosts physical resistances instead of avoidance. The ability now triggers when attacks are made, and it will trigger more often. - Battle Chant now has a chance to trigger Berserk when a target dies; it now procs Berserk half as often across the entire group as the single-target version does for the Berserker. - The reuse timer of Press was reduced from 30 seconds to 20 seconds. - Fury's proc now hits up to 3 targets instead of 5, and its Damage was slightly reduced because it is an AoE attack. - Maul's melee debuff effect will now grow with level. - Screaming Fury and Destructive Rage had their icons changed to better match the abilities. Brawler changes: - Thundering Fists will now only expire when the triggers are used up. Brigand changes: - Debilitate can now be performed before stealth breaks, instead of breaking stealth in order to use it. - Ruse is correctly granted at level 20. It no longer has an upfront power cost, and instead consumes power when it triggers damage. Ruse also severely reduces the Defense and Parry skills of the Brigand and no longer prevents area effect spells. - The Defense penalty of Desperate Thrust no longer gets progressively worse with scroll upgrades. - Deceit now has an improved DPS increase that will scale appropriately with increase in level. - Snarl had its casting time reduced, and its snare amount will improve with level. - Double Up combined with Thuggish Negotiations should no longer cause negative results for the group. Stay Low has been added to the Double Up list. - Vicious Stab no longer plays a dizzy stun sound when the attack lands. - Hail of Steel now has a minimum range of 5 meters. - Baffle Adversaries is no longer a 100% proc hate position decrease. Instead, it has a percentage chance when the Brigand strikes. - Amazing Reflexes can now be toggled, and now has an increased hate penalty associated with its benefit. - Double Up scrolls should now be dropping correctly. - Rapid Throw no longer indicates Blunted Arrows as its recipe name. Bruiser changes: - Stone Deaf should now absorb damage correctly. Coercer changes: - The Coerce lines now last longer and have fewer chances to break. - Spell Lash now targets an encounter. - Recklessness had its DPS amount increased. - Unnerving Stare now drains more power. - Withering Silence now drains more power. - Ego Strike now has a small chance of breaking when damage is received after the root is applied. - Forced Hesitation now makes resistance checks less often, but has a small chance to break when taking damage. - Simple Minds is now granted at level 22, so don't you forget about me. - Terrible Awe's duration has been reduced. - Sybyllant now has a faster cast time, no longer costs power over time, and will trigger up to 3 times at 100% rate. - Spell Lash now has a faster cast time, costs less power, and can trigger up to 3 times at 100% rate. - Despotic Mind upgrades now do damage at the intended rate. Conjurer changes: - The snare effect of Quicksand now increases properly with spell scroll upgrades. - Offering cannot be used while Minion's Intervention is in effect. Its casting time was reduced and power cost removed. The amount healed was increased. - Frozen By Time had its resist rate adjusted to match the Necromancer spell Petrify. Its duration was reduced by 1 second. - Seism now has a heroic opportunity symbol. - Elemental Vestment now applies the buff to the pet, not the caster. - Call of the Hero now works on raid members. - Conjurer's Signet should now be available for purchase from the appropriate vendors. - Tremor now deals Magic damage instead of Crushing. - Shattered Ground now delivers its damage faster. - Minion's Intervention no longer costs additional power when the spell triggers. - Embers is now granted at level 35. Crusader changes: - Doom Judgment now deals more damage. Instead of a 2% DPS debuff, it now dispels arcane and noxious-based buffs on anyone struck by it. - Vigor of Trust no longer stacks with Pious Belief. - Vigor of Trust can now be toggled. Defiler changes: - Malevolent Efflux now shares the increased disease resistance with the rest of the spell line. - Abominus no longer requires confirmation to take effect. - Purulence will now correctly process damage absorbed by the ward. - Tendrils of Fear had its proc rate increased. - Curse of Shielding had its ward amount increased. - Distill Soul has a better chance to proc than before. Its duration and damage were also increased. - Forced Cannibalize had its damage reduced because the spell has no cost, but the amount of power returned remains the same. Its casting time has been lowered by 2 seconds. Dirge changes: - Clara's Chaotic Cacophony and Daro's Doleful Dirge now have a casting time of 1 second and a reuse time of 2 seconds. - Lanet's Excruciating Scream is now granted at level 20. - Elegy at Death's Door and Elegy of Awakening now restore an increased amount of health. - Hyran's Angry Sonata had its Strength slightly reduced. - Jael's Sapping Shot should play an animation again. - Thuri's Sapping Shot should play its ranged attack animation correctly. - The Lucky Boon line now has updated icons to reduce confusion with other songs. Druid changes: - Snare now has a faster recast and fewer resist checks. Enchanter changes: - Charm now lasts longer and has fewer chances to break. - Daunting Gaze now drains more power. - Overwhelming Silence now drains more power. - Veil of the Unseen now prevents indirect area of effects. - Ego Shock now has a small chance of breaking when damage is received after the root is applied. - Binding Light now makes resistance checks less often, but has a small chance to break when taking damage. Fury changes: - Feral Tenacity now heals at a faster rate. - Vicious Feast should now correctly heal and buff the group when triggered. - Porcupine's reactive damage can now be resisted like other damage shields. Guardian changes: - Guardian Sphere now has the potential to protect against all damage types. Also, the Guardian can proc a stoneskin effect to absorb up to 5 streams of damage while it is in effect. - Wall of Flesh now costs less power and boosts physical resistances instead of avoidance. The ability now triggers when attacks are made, and it will trigger more often. - Entrench now roots all nearby enemies and debuffs their attack speed and DPS. The physical resist buff component was removed, and the recast time and duration of the ability were lowered. - Sentry Watch has an improved taunt by the Guardian when defending the person that was rescued from dying. - The reuse timer of Bull Rush was reduced from 30 seconds to 20 seconds. - Iron Will is now a toggled ability without an expiration timer. - Batter now does crushing damage. - Tower of Stone should now absorb damage correctly. Illusionist changes: - Speechless now drains slightly more power and does its power damage instantly. - Uncertainty will drain power instantly as stated in examine text, and for a greater amount than the DoT used to. - Intensity's proc effect will now be resisted less often. - Alacrity had its haste amount increased. - Convincing Regalia once again functions as an emergency mez. Its duration was decreased, reuse time increased, and casting time was reduced. - Lock Mind now makes resistance checks less often, but has a small chance to break when taking damage. - Rune of Understanding should now be available for purchase from the appropriate vendors. - Savante upgrades no longer incorrectly apply twice. - Color Shower now delivers its damage faster. - Phantasmal Splendor had its duration reduced and power cost adjusted. Inquisitor changes: - Fanatic's Faith now shares the increased mental resistance with the rest of the spell line. - Fearful Conversion now properly reduces hate over time. - Imprison's maximum duration has been reduced. Monk change: - Darting Sparrow is no longer forced to deal piercing damage. Mystic changes: - Ancient Balm now increases properly with spell scroll upgrades. - The Spirit of the Elephant line now has an appropriate particle effect. - Prophetic Guard no longer generates hate, and its recast timer was reduced by half. - Oberon had its warding amount increased. - Water Spirit no longer requires confirmation to take effect. - Slothful Spirit upgrades now drain power at the intended rate. - Wards of the Eidolon will now correctly process damage absorbed by the ward. Necromancer changes: - Chains of Torment now guarantees that fear will land when the root breaks, but at a decreased duration. - Clinging Darkness now triggers an additional snare when the first one breaks, and it costs less power. - The Withering Affliction line now does more damage per tick. - The Blight line now does more damage per tick. - The proc damage caused by Lich was reduced. Paladin changes: - Blessing of the Penitent is now a toggled ability without an expiration timer. - Divine Favor now prevents death 100% of the time it is active. - Sigil of Heroism now ignores anyone that already has the Redemption line on them. - Consecrated Aura no longer causes issues with group stealth and invisibility spells. - Pious Belief no longer stacks with Vigor of Trust. - Pious Belief can now be toggled. - Relentless Wrath is now listed in the Knowledge Book under Combat Arts, not Spells. Predator changes: - Pounce had its arc widened and lengthened, and its casting time was reduced from 3 to 1.5 seconds. - Hunter's Instinct had its DPS benefit doubled. - Blade Flurry's proc now has an increased chance to hit. - Honed Reflexes is now more effective in granting temporary haste. - Shrouded Strike no longer has Sheathe Weapon as part of the ability, since stealth now automatically shuts off auto-attack. Ranger changes: - The haste benefit of Forester's Insight was slightly increased. - Arrow Flurry's damage proc was changed to match the Assassin offensive stance's proc damage. - Spring now properly requires having a bow equipped to use. - Stream of Arrows now has a minimum range of 5 meters. The art should no longer cause problems with stealth abilities after it is used. - Steady Aim now has a reduced duration and recast time. It now greatly increases the ranged skill, its DPS amount was increased, and it also increases attack speed. - Arrow Rip no longer has problems requiring a bow and arrows to be equipped. Rogue changes: - Strangling Throw now does additional damage to match the rest of that combat art line. - Ruthless Cunning is now more effective in granting temporary DPS and will properly scale with scroll upgrades. Scout changes: - Cheap Shot is now a maintained ability. Its stun duration is now a fixed amount that does not increase with additional levels. - The effects of Dirty Tricks can now be removed with physical trauma cures. Shadowknight changes: - Insidious Promise's taunt now works like other taunts in its spell line. - Contract of Shadows can now be toggled. - Death March now provides increased intelligence while active. - Pariah's Mark now correctly matches its intended effect for the spell line. - If chosen as a Specialized Training option, Unending Pain will now be scribed correctly instead of Agonizing Cry. Shaman changes: - Spirit of the Badger now wards the intended amount. Sorcerer changes: - Freeze now has a cast and recast time similar to its Wizard and Warlock upgrades. - The snare effect of Frozen Manacles now upgrades properly with spell scroll upgrades. - Summon Shadows no longer prevents indirect area of effects. Summoner changes: - The snare effect of Immobilize now increases properly with spell scroll upgrades. - Protective Brace now provides similar benefits to Volatile Refuge. Swashbuckler changes: - Disarming Grin now has slightly faster cast time, and its duration increases with level. - Uncanny Reflexes is now a level 40 ability. - Lung Puncture can now be performed before stealth breaks, instead of breaking stealth in order to use it. - Nimble Cut no longer plays a dizzy stun sound when the attack lands. - Swarthy Distraction is now granted at level 20. - Flamboyant Strike now has a hit chance bonus that was missing for this combat art. - Uncanny Speed and Uncanny Reflexes are now granted at level 40 and level 54 to match other Scout line upgrades. - Artful Finesse and Ingenious Finesse are now granted at level 39 and level 53 to match other Rogue line upgrades. - Hail of Steel should no longer cause problems with stealth abilities after it is used. - Hurricane now has a reduced chance to AoE every auto-attack. It has a casting time of 0.5 seconds and recast time of 2 seconds. Templar changes: - Protective Faith no longer generates hate, and its recast timer was reduced by half. - Sign of Weakness now protects the target from area effects, and its duration grows with level. - Reverence upgrades now replenish health at the intended rate. - Involuntary Healer had its proc percentage and heal amount increased. Troubador changes: - Aria of Excitement's proc damage was reduced. - Kian's Destructive Anthem and Demoralizing Processional now have a casting time of 1 second and a reuse time of 4 seconds. - Precision of the Maestro had its reuse timer increased to 90 seconds and duration changed to 20 seconds. Hate assignment is spread across each caster that procs it instead of being entirely blamed on the Troubador. - The Aria of Excitement and Minstrel's Fortune lines now have updated icons to reduce confusion with other songs. - Minstrel's Fortune has a better explanation of how casting skill increases affect the spell. Warden changes: - Nature's Reprieve and Tunare's Watch now heal at a faster rate. - Ensnaring Roots now upgrades properly with level and spell scroll upgrades, and its duration has been increased. It makes fewer resistance checks than before, but has a small chance of breaking when receiving damage. - Undergrowth makes fewer resistance checks than before, but has a small chance of breaking when receiving damage. - Favor of the Untamed no longer generates hate, and its recast timer was reduced by half. - Hierophantic Genesis had its healing over time amount increased. - Willowskin's physical resistance benefits were slightly increased to match other Priest physical resistance group buffs. - Numbing Spores had its proc rate increased, and its heal-over-time effect more effective by decreasing the duration needed to complete the healed amount. The healed amount per tick doubles if the ally is low on health. Warlock changes: - The snare effect of Paralyzing Fear now increases properly with spell scroll upgrades. - Dark Siphoning had its power cost and recast time reduced. - Aura of Darkness now does disease damage instead of poison. - Negative Absolution now does disease damage instead of poison. - Suffocating Breath now does disease damage instead of poison. - Bony Grasp now has a slightly shorter maximum duration. It lasts longer than Ring of Cold, which has an additional effect. Bony Grasp is also slightly harder to break. - Netherous Realm now pulsates 1 trigger every 5 seconds instead of an unlimited amount. - Raven Familiar is now correctly named Erqu's Emissary. - Netheros will now continue to grow to level 60 instead of stopping at 59. - Dark Infestation's swarm will now grow with level. - Steal Breath is now an encounter-based area-of-effect noxious debuff. - Curse of Darkness had its power cost greatly reduced. - Poisonous Veil had its damage slightly reduced and can affect up to 3 targets in its area of effect. - Null Distortion was added to the Specialized Training choices at level 54. Shadowed Pillaging was removed from the list. - Seal of Ebon Thought has a better explanation of how casting skill increases affect the spell. Warrior changes: - Hunker Down now costs less power and boosts physical resistances instead of avoidance. The ability now triggers when attacks are made, and it will trigger more often. - Shield Bash should now be available for purchase from the appropriate vendors. - Mangle had its icon corrected to match the rest of the abilities in that line. Wizard changes: - The snare effect of Tether now increases properly with spell scroll upgrades. - Frostbound Gift had its duration reduced. The Snare effect now works properly and will also upgrade in strength with level and spell scroll upgrades. - Heat Stroke now has the correct prose description. - Ring of Cold had its overall duration reduced somewhat because it is an AoE spell. The snare effect at the end now properly upgrades with level and spell scroll upgrades. - Protoflame will now continue to grow to level 60 instead of stopping at 59. - Flametongue now does increased damage. - Icy Coil had its recast time reduced. - Surging Tempest will now update its damage/stun every 8 seconds instead of 10 seconds, and its reuse timer was reduced to 30. </DIV> <DIV>November 10th update Conjurer changes: - Sacrifice can no longer be cast while Minion's Intervention is active. Ranger changes: - Stream of Arrows should now work correctly with a quiver equipped. Swashbuckler changes: - Hail of Storm should now work correctly with a quiver equipped.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>November 11th update Ward Spells: - The spell lines that begin with Spirit of the Badger no longer generate aggro when their ward effect absorbs damage. - Stacked wards will now function correctly. Previously, stacking wards that absorbed the same damage type had no effect other than to generate extra hate. Coercer changes: - Mind Splice had its power cost reduced. - Anguish will now tick every 6 seconds instead of every 4. It will still do the same overall damage, but will reduce the chances that a rooted creature suffering from this effect will break root. - Damaged Psyche had its duration increase, power cost reduced, and reuse time lowered. - Unnerving Stare is now less likely to be resisted. - Simple Minds will now do more damage and cost less power. - Forced Hesitation will now be less likely to break on damage and had its duration increased. - Ego Strike will now be less likely to break on damage. Enchanter changes: - Mind Blast had its power cost reduced. - Cerebral Spasm will now tick every 6 seconds instead of every 4. It will still do the same overall damage, but will reduce the changes that a rooted creature suffering from this effect will break root. - Daunting Gaze is now less likely to be resisted. - Binding Light will now be less likely to break on damage and had its duration increased. Illusionist changes: - Phantasmal Ray had its power cost reduced. - Tormenting Visions will now tick every 6 seconds instead of every 4. It will still do the same overall damage, but will reduce the chances that a rooted creature suffering from this effect will break root. - Disappointment had its duration increase, power cost reduced, and reuse time lowered. - Chromatic Storm will now do more damage and cost less power. - Lock Mind will now be less likely to break on damage and had its duration increased. - The illusionist pet has greater direct damage and DoT capability (along with a lower reuse timer) and increased stun and mesmerization durations. Warden changes: - Ensnaring Roots will now be less likely to break on damage and had its duration increased. - Undergrowth will now be less likely to break on damage. November 14th update Monk changes: - Silent Palm's stifle should now function correctly. Necromancer changes: - Boon of the Lifeless had its original damage restored. Swashbuckler changes: - Swarthy Distraction's hate transfer component should now work correctly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, thank you for taking the time to read this long winded post...Hopefully, you see there is what we perceive to be some "unfairness" with the changes or lack thereof made to our class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Barakuzz lvl 36 Guardian "North Star" Guild - Neriak Server</DIV></DIV>

Veesh

11-18-2005, 12:39 PM

/bump Are we wasting our time? I would like to know. Cheers A Fustrated lvl 45 Guardian

LadyDor

11-18-2005, 07:53 PM

I also would appreciate if someone, ANYONE, who is connected with SOE's Developers would be so kind as to make a Post on the Guardian Boards to at least let us know they do indeed exist and are aware we exist too. I don't expect them to log on and go hog wild solving everything within minutes of reading page after page of Posts....but a simple "we hear you and are working on it.", heck at this point in time I'd settle for a "we hear you but find there is no validity to any of your complaints/gripes/concerns and no fix of any kind is coming." At least then I'd know to just drop my Account and move on to other things.....hrmmm, mayhaps this is what they fear? *** Devs...are you worried you let things go so long without saying anything to us that there will be a mass Exodus if you tell us what the deal is? I don't think that is it....I mean those who play Guards will probably (if they haven't already) roll an alt to play. I'm sure a few folks will leave but there are always others to take their places. I DO know that the risk of having folks leave due to not receiving any iota of information on their concerns with a game they PAY to play would be the thing I would be concerned with. I'd be happy to hear ANYTHING from a Dev about the Guardians...most happy with "yeah, we Nerfed ya abit much and are working on fixing it WITHOUT Nerfing the other fighters", as I think that would be the fairest approach to the situation. I'd settle for a Dev even Posting and saying "hi, yeah..we hear ya and this is what is gonna happen........" I'm sure I'm not the only person who wonders what the heck has happened to the concept of Customer Service when it comes to so many folks being unhappy and saying as much with NO response from anyone in the know within the Company. I'm not just talking Guardians here either as I noticed there are a few other classes feeling much the same. Please SOE, as a Customer I am begging you....respond if you hear our voices.

Gungo

11-18-2005, 08:58 PM

Raijinn has responded several times saying they are watching and reading and each time he does someone ends up insulting the devs. so why again should they respond w/o any actual fixes. The last time he responded was just before LU16 which was only abit over a week ago. IMHO they need to remove the shield dam from tower of stone & increase the effectiveness of the guards offensive stance (fixing the offensive stance to have a net result of mroe dps will help guards at all lvls of play for soloing and small groups.) Message Edited by Gungo on 11-18-2005 08:00 AM

Veesh

11-18-2005, 10:27 PM

<DIV>They (who ever the customer service people are that handle this stuff) should respond because it is thier job. At the end of the day the only reason this stuff is here is because we all pay for it. As consumer's we should be informed and I know I have sen't numerous /petitions /feedbacks /bugs and have become vocal on the boards in an attempet to get the class I play back to a respectable level of playability or at the very least find out if I am wasting my time. For my efforts so far I have recieved one in game CS reply ticket that seemed like a template thanking me for my intrest and that the game is always going through changes and that my input was appericated etc etc etc ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think anyone expects the Dev's to have all the answers at this time or be able to fix the class right away. I think what most of us want is just to be acknowledged.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers</DIV> <DIV>A Fustrated Level 45 Guardian</DIV>

-Aonein-

11-18-2005, 10:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Veesh wrote: <DIV>They (who ever the customer service people are that handle this stuff) should respond because it is thier job. At the end of the day the only reason this stuff is here is because we all pay for it. As consumer's we should be informed and I know I have sen't numerous /petitions /feedbacks /bugs and have become vocal on the boards in an attempet to get the class I play back to a respectable level of playability or at the very least find out if I am wasting my time. For my efforts so far I have recieved one in game CS reply ticket that seemed like a template thanking me for my intrest and that the game is always going through changes and that my input was appericated etc etc etc ... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think anyone expects the Dev's to have all the answers at this time or be able to fix the class right away. I think what most of us want is just to be acknowledged.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers</DIV> <DIV>A Fustrated Level 45 Guardian</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> What the boards need is individual spokes persons for each sub class board that work at SoE and play that sub class so they can both understand the problems to begin with without just buffing a test toon to the desired level and testing something for 5 mins to see if it works as "intended" and so it brings the community together alot better and neater then everyobe flying from one forum to another pointing fingers at each other saying nerf this, nerf that, your overpowered, nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf, im sick to death of the word and wish i could nerf the word nerf. Reason i suggested SoE workers is because they have a direct line to communicate with Dev's themselves, same as how it worked in EQ1. They could even have monthly updates as to what there looking into fixing and looking to change and how there going to change it. This way we can add some input as to how the CA / Spell will pan out in game and suggest some pro's and con's about some of the changes there planning to make. It worked wonders for EQ1, i cant see no reason what so ever why it wouldnt work here.Message Edited by -Aonein- on 11-19-2005 03:45 AM

Barakuz

11-18-2005, 10:47 PM

Veesh / Gungo, I could understand dev's not wanting to post until they have some fixes in mind. However, it would at least be nice to know that they are considering changes to address the disparity between the tanking classes. At this stage I an uncertain if they are even entertaining changes to the Guard class. All I am requesting is a statement, something like "We have heard the Guard community, and are working to address the imbalance" or "We have listened to the Guard community, and believe the class is functioning as intended - no changes will be forthcoming" Either way, at least we will know where we stand...and based on that feedback we can individually decide if we want to continue our broken class, or choose to roll and alt. There is no clear communication for the dev's, just hearsay and supposition from snippets gleaned from other class forums. SOE Devs please give us the scoop...don't leave us hanging here, in hope that you have heard our plight...this lack of information / communication leads to increased frustration levels and venting in the various forums. Thanks for listening Regards Barakuzz - lvl 37 Guardian - North Star - Neriak Server

Raahl

11-18-2005, 10:51 PM

<DIV>Breaking news... LU17a on Test.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nothing new for Guardians.</DIV>

Gungo

11-18-2005, 11:16 PM

<DIV> <DIV>Just letting you all know that your not forgotten and we're indeed listening to your concerns.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for understanding!</DIV> Regards, Joel "Raijinn ThunderGuard" __________________________________________________ _______________________________ Dated 11/07/2005 at 6:04pm on the gaurd forum </DIV>

Landiin

11-18-2005, 11:28 PM

**REMOVED DUE TO NAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS**Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 11-22-2005 11:32 AM

Barakuz

11-18-2005, 11:32 PM

<DIV>Gungo, </DIV> <DIV>I appreciate you posting Raijinn's earlier response. However, it doesn't tell us if they are planning to make changes "listening to our concerns" vs doing something about them are two completely different responses.</DIV> <DIV>Hey I listen to my wife all the time...doesn't mean I am going to do what she wants !</DIV> <DIV>However, if I listen to her and respond with "I have heard you and plan to make changes" then that at least is some level of committment.</DIV> <DIV>My frustration stems from not knowing if they plan to make any change - they don't even need to let us know what the specific changes are... just that they are working on some ideas.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE is there any light at the end of the tunnel for our class ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Barakuzz lvl 37 Guardian - North Star - Neriak Server</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

FrostDragon

11-18-2005, 11:38 PM

Yes Gungo Raijinn made that statement but I get the feeling at SOE meetings Raijinn gets a seat in the back of the Room if he is invited. MG has given us the Unsung Hero title and stated we are the way he wanted us to be. MG has never said he was sorry. Raijinn and Raahl have done what they can for us as a Class and a Forum but after all our polite statements and Views no statements have been made. I know noeone counts any talk of EQ1 but with 5 years of SOE MMorpg the normal responce to a mass out cry and highly detailed statement of our issues SOE would reply with a cut and paste of the issues with Working, Under consideration, or not plans at this time. now it may take a year for answers and not all would be addressed but it was a statement and was Post it to top of forums. This was a community. What we are getting is a put up or leave. This is a Cuba answer. Hats off to Raijinn but it would be nice if someone handed him some offical office paper and make an Absor or Flippy Caliber statement he can post and update once a month or 2. <DIV>... Be nice Landiin</DIV>Message Edited by FrostDragon on 11-18-2005 10:39 AM

Wli

11-18-2005, 11:40 PM

OH come on, what YOU "guards" want ??!!!!! sheshssss .... You guys are so ... Erm, wait, what are we talking about again ? :smileyvery-happy: Message Edited by Wlian on 11-18-2005 10:43 AM

FrostDragon

11-18-2005, 11:49 PM

<DIV>:smileyvery-happy: They make good drugs for that Wilen. and Docter notes telling everyone to be nice while your on them. :smileysurprised: its good stuff and makes remember things from your childhood that never happened :robotvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileyhappy: :smileyindifferent: :smileymad: :smileysad: :smileysurprised::smileytongue::smileyvery-happy::smileywink:</DIV>

JNewby

11-20-2005, 11:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gungo wrote: Raijinn has responded several times saying they are watching and reading and each time he does someone ends up insulting the devs. so why again should they respond w/o any actual fixes. The last time he responded was just before LU16 which was only abit over a week ago. IMHO they need to remove the shield dam from tower of stone & increase the effectiveness of the guards offensive stance (fixing the offensive stance to have a net result of mroe dps will help guards at all lvls of play for soloing and small groups.) Message Edited by Gungo on 11-18-2005 08:00 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> gungo this is the problem.... for instance the other day we had a monk tank in a raid... he did pretty well... we died but we died when the guard tanked as well... it was about the same result... anyhow so that givres guards nothing to do... its about like we tank basically now only cause we cant do anyhing else... either we tank or dont go on the raid...so why bother anymore

DanielAtchison

11-21-2005, 01:22 AM

<DIV>Why dont we start posting on a non class fourm and see if they respond and look at the guardian fourm?</DIV>