No balance at solo level - so why can't we have some solo loving.

[Drulak]

<DIV>If you have solo'd a guard and solo'd a monk , you along with me , will realise the complete disparity. we are not talking a small gap , but a huge divide.  The DPS to kill quickly and the utility to get into and out of certain situations , makes a monk a HUGELY better soloer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now upto now , most of the moaning and groaning from non-guards has come because they want equality as tanks.  They now have this , fine , so why cannot we have some equality for tanking ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even during mu UBER superman phase (so i am told by certain posters) of pre LU13 , i could not fight groups of heroics , i could not therefore complete many quests in particular AQ's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My monk on the otherhand has solo'd his way through most of his AQ's (grouped too as i have a weekly group of alts i join in with) and i do believe that if one toon can do it , so should others.  I guess if we gave up best in tank category , why should we keep worst in solo category.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OK some ideas ,   add in a solo only damage and haste buff .   allow us to get our dps upto about the monk level or an idea i have flown before , make our taunts do damage when solo instead of hate generation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just a couple to get on with dev's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Nemi]

**REMOVED DUE TO NAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS**<p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>11-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:36 AM</span>

[Greyto]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Drulak wrote:<BR> <DIV>If you have solo'd a guard and solo'd a monk , you along with me , will realise the complete disparity. we are not talking a small gap , but a huge divide.  The DPS to kill quickly and the utility to get into and out of certain situations , makes a monk a HUGELY better soloer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now upto now , most of the moaning and groaning from non-guards has come because they want equality as tanks.  They now have this , fine , so why cannot we have some equality for tanking ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even during mu UBER superman phase (so i am told by certain posters) of pre LU13 , i could not fight groups of heroics , i could not therefore complete many quests in particular AQ's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My monk on the otherhand has solo'd his way through most of his AQ's (grouped too as i have a weekly group of alts i join in with) and i do believe that if one toon can do it , so should others.  I guess if we gave up best in tank category , why should we keep worst in solo category.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OK some ideas ,   add in a solo only damage and haste buff .   allow us to get our dps upto about the monk level or an idea i have flown before , make our taunts do damage when solo instead of hate generation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just a couple to get on with dev's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think if guardians had haste restored and did not have to slow themselves they could probably solo better.</P> <P>if you could slow a mob without having to slow yourself it would go a long way to helping survive some of those fights.</P>

[sammythebull]

<DIV>mentioned this in the Tank/Lie debacle thread. Probably should've just made a new thread about it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Give every class 1 or 2 skills that they can only use when solo or duoed. Doesn't mess up group dynamic, everyone's happy, everyone can solo relatively the same. If they're so hell bent on making everyone able to offer a similar level of contribution to a group / raid, then everyone should be able to solo at a similar capacity.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tomanak]

Aye, I;ll throw my 2 cents in on this one. I too have no real problems in groups (other than that damned root) but soloing is not only a chore it is a frustrating chore. Now when I cant group, I log onto my Warlock..

[NighthawkX]

My oppinion something along the lines of spiked armor.  Basically self only or single target damage shield say 3 concentration.  Not sure how many you normally use up now or would need for a group.   But enough concentration to not warrent its damage benefits for in a large group but enough damage potential to aid for soloing, maybe it scales based on what you are fighting as well or maybe it doesn't do damage to heroics.

[LadyDor]

<P>Not to try to bring anyone down, but anytime I have mentioned anything like this the "typical" response from anyone at SOE has been something along the lines of ......" We never said all Sub Classes would solo the same. Some will naturally have an easier time soloing then others. The game is working as intended.". This is usually followed by the 'standard' response of someone (usually NOT a Guardian) saying something like..."Tuff cookies. You wanna solo? You want something that is playable? STOP asking for them to fix Guards and go re-roll a different toon."</P> <P>I know this information doesn't help you anymore than it did me....just thought I'd let you know to be prepared to hear it. </P> <DIV>I sooo agree with you that it is "whack"...I've also been out-solod by a same geared, same level Inquisitor (is my husbands character..we started on different mobs of the same type/level at the same time). The Inquisitor (naturally) finished with more health and more power and was done in about 1/3 of the time it took me to kill my mob. Now, knowing how well Inquisitors can tank (just tool over to their boards and see how much they love their DPS  :smileytongue: ) think about how SAD it is to be a FIGHTER and experience that. It was scary in the end..as not only was the Inq. faster in killing the mob, but the fight ended with him at about 50% health and 42% power while I was at 37% health and OUT of power.</DIV> <DIV>Also had a friend play her Monk (same level and comp. gear)...she was able to kill 3 and be working on the 4th mob by the time I killed the first one and finished the 4th/ started on the 5th while I got back up in health/power to attack my 2nd. Granted...i don't WANT to solo more often than not, but there are times when it just is what I have to do (if I want to play but don't want to work on Trade Skills or be LFG sitting at the keyboard reading a book waiting for someone to group with me).</DIV> <DIV>I remember all the hoopla about how this was going to be a solo and duo friendly game..and would be just as playable for the "casual" gamer as for the hardcore player. I doubted it, but after BETAing it thought "wow, this IS a good game for the Casuals and Solo/Duos...how COOL!" Now it is not only NOT for the Casual gamer or Soloer/Duos it is getting to the point it is NOT for them. I, too, wish the Devs would grasp that not everyone has 12 to 18 hours a day, every day to play but still PAYS the same to play and include some loving for us. You have zones you can't enter unless you have enough folks..why not have zones you can't enter if you have too many? You have Sub Classes that can solo so much easier it isn't funny...why not let folks know that when creating a character?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand you can't please all of the folks all of the time...heck you can't even please all of the folks SOME of the time; but I honestly think SOE could try a little harder. One of the ways I can see this occuring is by them letting those of us who voice our opinions about things like this know that they are paying attention to what is said.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I like your thinking Drulak...the solo only stuff would be very cool...and if they integrated it into the game for classes that struggle to solo that would go a looong way towards making some folks happy. I hope a Dev or two see this and decide to respond. :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Wli]

<P>What enrage(SP?) us, guardians on the higher levels, that got hit by LU13, is this:</P> <P>When I started the game, in november/december, I did not go after a lot of reading about the classes, I just read what the manual/EQII site said about the classes. I was fixed that I would make a fighter(I did play a ranger in EQ, I started a bit before Kurnak came, and I think a lot of us know what a ranger was. Well, what it was't ... so I was thinking, now I will go with a warrior).</P> <P>So I read the fighters. blah blah ... "I see, it all come down to: be THE TANK, or have a versatile fighter, that CAN tank." I went guardian, I will be the tank, for the guild I will surely join.</P> <P>And so it was, I could solo, yes, everyone can, chose your targets carfully, and you can. But a guardian have a lot less picks than other fighters. I could not go to places invised(self invised), or run, feing death, run again ... and so on. I could not fight till I am 10% HP, the mob 15%, thinking, I may own this, then see I will die, hit mend, yell and run. I had to have the mob's HP always 2/3 the HP I have, or the fight would end with my death.</P> <P>All that was OK, because I could be doing ANYTHING, if a group was forming for serious hunting, they would do a /w all guardian.</P> <P>So, we took a class WE KNEW was a [Removed for Content] on lot of a MMO game aspects, but we had THE TANKING.</P> <P> </P> <P>They cheated us, and LU13 kept us a class gimped on ALL, BUT TANKING. The others were "ungimped" on tanking, and they were never gimped on anything else ...</P> <P>Bah, this won't change, never more. I just hope they redesign some of the GUARDIAN FLAVOR, so we have some fun playing a guardian.</P>

[Drulak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LadyDor wrote:<BR> <P>Not to try to bring anyone down, but anytime I have mentioned anything like this the "typical" response from anyone at SOE has been something along the lines of ......" We never said all Sub Classes would solo the same. Some will naturally have an easier time soloing then others. The game is working as intended.". This is usually followed by the 'standard' response of someone (usually NOT a Guardian) saying something like..."Tuff cookies. You wanna solo? You want something that is playable? STOP asking for them to fix Guards and go re-roll a different toon."</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I know this is unfortunately the truth LadyDor , but i want to challenge the devs.  If they have to balace all fighters as tanks , to make the game fair at group level , why not balance the game at solo level to make the game fair ??</P> <P>Am i not MTing a mob when i solo it ???  i am the one taking the hits , so i must be . I am also the dps of the group - whoops do not have very much of that , I am also the healer , hmmm nope none of that either - so where is the balance.</P> <P>Now lets look at a monk.</P> <P>He is the MT of the group (again being solo , has to be) he does that equally as well as in my scenario - Good .  He is also the DPS - very nice DPS , looks like a good grp so far , he is also the healer - well not great here , but he does have some healing -  so he is an all round solo grp.</P> <P> </P> <P>Ok mister develpoer , if Fighters HAVE to be balanced as tanks , then how can they be so out of balance in solo aspects , Please show me where that was stated when i signed up to PAY for this game ??</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Dejetdude]

I'm a newbie gaurdian compared to most of you, only level 36. I've solo'd for about 2/3's of my exp so far. Lately I've been soloing with dual wield, the pgt and a poison edged stilletto. The proc on the pgt is such a huge advantage while soloing I leave my fabled twohander, and 1hd and shield in the pack. And since I wouldn't expect us to be allowed to heal, I was thinking that a ward line of spells for the gaurdian would be huge help while soloing. Some kind of small amount ward, with a regen and decent duration. Example at my level a 50 point ward, regen 25 per tic, duration 30 seconds, recast 1 minute. It would be nice to have something to offset a mobs initial burst damage. So even a 300 point ward, 20 second duration,  with a 1 minute recast would be a help while soloing. Just my two cents Lifetaker <div></div>