And when the dust settled.....

[Greyto]

<DIV><STRONG>Guardian changes:<BR></STRONG>- Guardian Sphere now has the potential to protect against all damage types. Also, the Guardian can proc a stoneskin effect to absorb up to 5 streams of damage while it is in effect.<BR>- Wall of Flesh now costs less power and boosts physical resistances instead of avoidance. The ability now triggers when attacks are made, and it will trigger more often.<BR>- Entrench now roots all nearby enemies and debuffs their attack speed and DPS. The physical resist buff component was removed, and the recast time and duration of the ability were lowered.<BR>- Sentry Watch has an improved taunt by the Guardian when defending the person that was rescued from dying.<BR>- The reuse timer of Bull Rush was reduced from 30 seconds to 20 seconds.<BR>- Iron Will is now a toggled ability without an expiration timer.<BR>- Batter now does crushing damage.</DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Guardian changes:<BR></STRONG>- Guardian Sphere now has the potential to protect against all damage types. Also, the Guardian can proc a stoneskin effect to absorb up to 5 streams of damage while it is in effect.</DIV> <P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></P>Guardian 50 Guardian Sphere Allows the guardian to protect the entire group, sometimes absorbing all the damage a group member would otherwise take <P><FONT color=#33cc00>was always supposed to take "All the damage" the stone skin proc is a nice addition I guess.</FONT></P> <DIV><BR>- Wall of Flesh now costs less power and boosts physical resistances instead of avoidance. The ability now triggers when attacks are made, and it will trigger more often.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian 27 Wall of Flesh Increases the defense of the guardian in exchange for decreased movement and attack speeds. Also grants a chance to root opponents that attack the guardian in melee.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>Was never meant to increase avoidance, works as intended.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>- Entrench now roots all nearby enemies and debuffs their attack speed and DPS. The physical resist buff component was removed, and the recast time and duration of the ability were lowered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian 32 Entrench Roots the guardian in place. This effect increases trauma mitigation and decreases the guardian's attack rate and melee attack damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>Took away the mitigation but slowed the mob, gave us root, might be useful but  not much as it slows us more then it slows the mob. so reduces argo on MD and any agro we might gain from DPS.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>- Sentry Watch has an improved taunt by the Guardian when defending the person that was rescued from dying.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian 55 Sentry Watch Allows the guardian to intervene and take the damage that would have otherwise killed an ally in the group for a short duration. This also increases the enemy's hate towards the guardian when this effect triggers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>agro any way I can get it I guess.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>- The reuse timer of Bull Rush was reduced from 30 seconds to 20 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000><FONT color=#33cc00>Speaks for itself.</FONT> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>- Iron Will is now a toggled ability without an expiration timer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>/shrug</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>- Batter now does crushing damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian 31 Batter A melee attack that deals crushing damage and drains some of the target's power on a successful hit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>Now works as intended.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>SO when the dust settles we are no further along then before.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>Taunts getting resisted still a problem, minor utility changes but nothing that makes ya go "OK that will work".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>DPS still well below other fighters (except paladins).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>All and all nothing to write home about (or post for the guardians by any CRR or game dev. ahead of time).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>Someone posted that they feel as if SOE would like to just move the guardians out of the game all together. It would be pretty hard for me put up much of a counter point to that argument atm.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>SO is this it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>Guardians are what guardians are going to be in this game?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc>Joel? anyone? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffcc></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Greytoon on <SPAN class=date_text>11-04-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>12:04 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Greytoon on <SPAN class=date_text>11-05-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>09:33 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Greytoon on <span class=date_text>11-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:34 AM</span>

[DmZB]

5 Stars...excellent post...unfortunately a funeral dirge for guardians.

[Lyrus]

The wall of flesh line increases defense in it's current state which in turn raises avoidance, the stone skin proc on guardian sphere now means that it absorbs 100% of the damage for an ally while when it procs, we take 0% damage. <span><blockquote><hr><font color="#ffffcc">SO when the dust settles we are no further along then before.</font> <div><font color="#ff9900">Something's better than nothing.</font>  </div> <div><font color="#ffffcc">Taunts getting resisted still a problem,<font color="#ff9900">(agreed) </font> minor utility changes but nothing that makes ya go "OK that will work".</font><span><font color="#ff9900">Something's better than nothing. </font></span><font color="#ffffcc">DPS still well below other fighters (except paladins). <font color="#ff9900">(at this point, I think the only dps adjustments for any class are going to be recast timers shortened, and I'd gladly take anything I can get)</font> </font></div> <div><font color="#ffffcc"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffffcc">All and all nothing to write home about (or post for the guardians by any CRR or game dev. ahead of time).</font></div> <div><font color="#ffffcc"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffffcc">Someone posted that they feel as if SOE would like to just move the guardians out of the game all together. It would be pretty hard for me put up much of a counter point to that argument atm.</font></div> <div><font color="#ffffcc"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffffcc">SO is this it?</font></div> <div><font color="#ffffcc"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffffcc">Guardians are what guardians are going to be in this game? <font color="#ff9900">(aside from minor Utility adjustments to make certain skills more useful and Combat art timers being reduced, I think there's going to be very little changes at this point. the stoneskin on guardian sphere was a good start, and I'm actually wondering how it will work on raid mobs with AoEs.  If it works better, there is an incentive at least to bring a guardian to a raid other than as the main tank.</font> </font></div> <div><font color="#ffffcc"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffffcc">Joel? anyone? </font></div> <div><font color="#ffffcc"></font> </div> <div> </div><p>Message Edited by Greytoon on <span class="date_text">11-04-2005</span> <span class="time_text">12:04 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Chin up, it's a start at least. </span> <div></div>

[Raahl]

<P>Could have put this in the other LU16b thread.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>When this goes live I will check out things.  Odds are if things stay the same, I will decide to take a long break from EQ2.</P>

[Damagema]

<P>I'm going to comment here about several things concerning Guardians and EQ2.</P> <P>Some background, so you know where I am coming from and how I am basing my opinions.</P> <P>I started playing EQ2 because I got tired of the game mechanics of EQ1.  I was a level 70 Warrior with close to 250 AAs.  I wasn't the best equiped Warrior by any means, but I enjoyed the game, playing almost every day.</P> <P>After starting my Gaurdian in EQ2, I have reached level 57, with decent gear, and have progressed at a nice rate.  I do not parse dps, etc.  Some of my abilities work better then others, so I use those and only use the less useful ones rarely.  I do belong to a small guild and yes I am the highest level member atm.</P> <P>What I am inteseted in is seeing the mob's health go done faster then mine, or the group's health.  As in RL, we have to use to the best of our abilities what we have been given to fight with.  The game is still fun for me, still a challenge, and I look forward to playing each evening.  Seeking new places, new experiences, new friends is the fun aspect of this game.</P> <P>Is the game perfect?  Is life perfect?</P> <P>So my advice to all, is go have fun, seek new adventures, and kill something before it can kill you.</P> <P>Damagecat, Level 57 Kerra Gaurdian</P> <P>Hands of Destiny Guild</P> <P>Guk Server</P> <P> </P>

[Vulking]

<DIV>...and when the dust settled, these pathetic adjustments will be seen as just that. Pathetic.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>no real significant changes have been made to the guardian CA lines that would give us any more ability than we had before. The token "j"esture of decreasing shield bash by 10 whole seconds is the only thing that comes close to not being pathetic. </DIV>

[Ironmeow]

changes arent that drastic but at least all the changes are positive imo, now all we need is knockback resist

[Wasuna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Damagemann wrote:<BR> <P>I'm .... you.</P> <P>Damagecat, Level 57 Kerra Gaurdian</P> <P>Hands of Destiny Guild</P> <P>Guk Server</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>So we are suppose to just accept not being equal? The whole purpose of the combat change was to make all fighters equal. They stripped the one ability Guardians had which was to tank. For that I hold their feet to the fire and demand to be made equal.<BR>

[Wasuna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ironmeow wrote:<BR>changes arent that drastic but at least all the changes are positive imo, now all we need is knockback resist <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We are not equal or OK until our DPS and Utility are equal to other classes. Knockback reist, while nice, is not good enough to offset lack of DPS, utility and subpar tanking ability.

[Benfyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Greytoon wrote:<BR> <DIV>- Sentry Watch has an improved taunt by the Guardian when defending the person that was rescued from dying.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian 48 Sentry Allows the guardian to protect an ally, sometimes absorbing most of the physical damage an ally would otherwise take</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>agro any way I can get it I guess.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>That's actually the wrong ability. Sentry Watch and Sentry are too different CAs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Krrrath lvl 60 Guardian of Kithicor.</DIV>

[Greyto]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Benfynyn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Greytoon wrote:<BR> <DIV>- Sentry Watch has an improved taunt by the Guardian when defending the person that was rescued from dying.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian 48 Sentry Allows the guardian to protect an ally, sometimes absorbing most of the physical damage an ally would otherwise take</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>agro any way I can get it I guess.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>That's actually the wrong ability. Sentry Watch and Sentry are too different CAs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Krrrath lvl 60 Guardian of Kithicor.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thanks Krrrath I missed that one.</P> <P>in other words it is only a minor change to a spell that already added agro.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>- Sentry Watch has an improved taunt by the Guardian when defending the person that was rescued from dying.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian 55 Sentry Watch Allows the guardian to intervene and take the damage that would have otherwise killed an ally in the group for a short duration. This also increases the enemy's hate towards the guardian when this effect triggers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33cc00>agro any way I can get it I guess</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P> </P> <P> </P>