Shields!

[Solj]

<DIV>Hello!  I would like to know better how shields work.  Today a friend of mine explained to me that he has upgraded his gear and I believe he said he's using a Kite shield.   He's a 20's guardian and he changed shields from one that has 152 shield factor to 250 shield factor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the issue he had with it was that it isn't riasining his mitigation and it even lowered his avoidance.  Arent shields supposed to raise avoidance?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is it right that buying a shield that has almost 100 more shield factor may lower stats? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(yes i had him make sure its attuned lol)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thankyou in advance.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Soljin on <SPAN class=date_text>10-31-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:54 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Soljin on <SPAN class=date_text>10-31-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:55 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Soljin on <span class=date_text>10-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:56 AM</span>

[Chungabun]

Shields not only raise your mitigation, they also add a % to the block skill. So having about 30% hits miss me, putting on a shield it put it up to 45%. -Bunga <div></div>

[Solj]

<P>So.. what youre saying is.. you didnt read the post.   Equiping the shield is NOT raising mitigation or avoidance, even with 100 more Shield Factor.     </P> <P> </P> <P>I'm hoping I can have this explained, please,  by one of you guardians who love your shield.</P>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Chungabunga wrote:<BR>Shields not only raise your mitigation, they also add a % to the block skill. So having about 30% hits miss me, putting on a shield it put it up to 45%.<BR><BR>-Bunga<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Shields do not raise or affect mitigation at all.  They only raise avoidance.<BR>

[Solj]

<DIV>It's frusttrating as hell to see people reply to folks that reply to my question and not even bother to answer the topic of this thread..   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why wouldnt a shield with 100 more shield factor raise avoidance?!</DIV>

[Solj]

<DIV>Forget it, i'm going back to the game.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'll check back here later, i cant stand the forum trolls.   I'll just bug it and hope it gets fixed. =)  you all enjoy your fun filled day of complaining about other peoples classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Ratty31]

Because the game is broken...shield factor of 1 is the same as 10000

[Starwind]

<DIV>I don't understand the shield factor thing much myself. You'd think that it would be the amount of mitigation that it would add to you, but it isn't. You might also think that it would be how much of a chance you have to block with it, but it isn't.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Did he move from a tower shield to a kite shield? Because out of the whopping 3 different shields I've had I've taken notice that it seems the bigger the shield, the better chance you have to block with it, shield factor aside. I jumped from a bucklet with about 40-50 shield factor, to a tower shield with 150 shield factor, and it made my block% skyrocket, then I went to a kite with 175 shield factor, and it lowered my block%.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't know why, or how, but whatever. Honestly, you'd think that a shield would add to your Mitigation. You could say that a shield either blocks the damage or doesn't, but so does all armour. Like your boots are really helping you absorb a hit to the head, yet all the mitigation pools together; so shouldn't a sheild add onto it too?</DIV>

[Wasuna]

<DIV>Each type of shiled has a set block factor. If you have a Tower Shield then you have what that type of shiled offers. I believe Kite and Tower shileds are now almost equal. Warriors were the only class that could use Tower shileds and that was over powering. Of course I believe Avoidance tanks now get a base block amount while they are duel weilding so they get to use two weapons for good DPS and still get to block. Funny how overpowering gets a new defination with a small adjustment in perspective.</DIV>

[davidro]

<DIV>The better quality the greater is the block chance, treasured->legendary->fabled</DIV> <DIV>Not 100 % sure though but I think it's like this, SF means nothing.</DIV>

[Pry]

<DIV>Here's something funny to think about.  The day that the CU went through, I tossed my shield in favour of SSOY in main hand and PGT in my off hand.  Why?  Because the benefit of Might of the Land from the PGT > whatever the shield was giving me, even though the PGT was grey.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sad but true. </DIV>

[RafaelSmith]

<span><blockquote><hr>davidrone wrote:<div>The better quality the greater is the block chance, treasured->legendary->fabled</div> <div>Not 100 % sure though but I think it's like this, SF means nothing.</div><hr></blockquote>Its worse than that. Not only is SF totally meaningless so is Tier. T1 Fabled > T6 Treasured in terms of block/avoidance.</span><div></div>

[Bhuhdiy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>RafaelSmith wrote:<BR><SPAN></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>T1 Fabled > T6 Treasured in terms of block/avoidance.<BR></P></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That's not entirely accurate.  While it's true that your <U>displayed</U> avoidance will be greater with the "T1 Fabled", that shield would only be effective against T1 mobs and will be useless against T6 mobs. <BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What the displayed numbers don't show you is this "level factor".  For example, when fighting a level 55 mob, a T6 Legendary shield will block better than T5 Fabled.  The T5 Fabled shield is only fully effective against mobs at the same level displayed on the shield (45) but is less effective (blocks less) against mobs higher than 45.  The higher the mob, the less effective it is.  This "level" factor is not displayed anywhere on your stats.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kite shields and Tower shields now have exactly the same base block factor.  So there is no longer an advantage to using a tower shield.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So for a Guardian, choose shield in this order, Kite or Tower shield since they're identical now:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>T6 Fabled</DIV> <DIV>T6 Legendary</DIV> <DIV>T5 Fabled</DIV> <DIV>T5 Legendary</DIV> <DIV>.. etc...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other than this criteria, choose the shield with the highest equippable level.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Bhuhdiy on <span class=date_text>10-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:20 AM</span>

[Greyform]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bhuhdiy wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>RafaelSmith wrote:<BR><SPAN></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>T1 Fabled > T6 Treasured in terms of block/avoidance.<BR></P></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That's not entirely accurate.  While it's true that your <U>displayed</U> avoidance will be greater with the "T1 Fabled", that shield would only be effective against T1 mobs and will be useless against T6 mobs. <BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What the displayed numbers don't show you is this "level factor".  For example, when fighting a level 55 mob, a T6 Legendary shield will block better than T5 Fabled.  The T5 Fabled shield is only fully effective against mobs at the same level displayed on the shield (45) but is less effective (blocks less) against mobs higher than 45.  The higher the mob, the less effective it is.  This "level" factor is not displayed anywhere on your stats.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kite shields and Tower shields now have exactly the same base block factor.  So there is no longer an advantage to using a tower shield.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So for a Guardian, choose shield in this order, Kite or Tower shield since they're identical now:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>T6 Fabled</DIV> <DIV>T6 Legendary</DIV> <DIV>T5 Fabled</DIV> <DIV>T5 Legendary</DIV> <DIV>.. etc...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other than this criteria, choose the shield with the highest equippable level.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Bhuhdiy on <SPAN class=date_text>10-31-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:20 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I believe all of your displayed stats are per an even con. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is why if you look at your avoidance number before you level as compared to after you level it appears as though your avoidance has gone down.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>reality is your avoidance is the same but now you are basing it on the new level of even con.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would however like some to explain to me what Shield factor is as it does not seem to change anything that I can see displayed.</DIV> <DIV>Avoidance goes up WITH a shield but a higher shield factor does not = a higher avoidance. mitigation is not effected with or without a shield. Even though it should be directly related.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Starwind]

A bit of a boost to make the Mit tanks more on par with avoidance tanks. Make avoidance tanks not be able to use sheilds, and have Shield Factor be turned into additional mitigation instead. So it helps you block, and ups your mit. <div></div>

[Wabit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bhuhdiy wrote: <DIV>So for a Guardian, choose shield in this order, Kite or Tower shield since they're identical now:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>T6 Fabled</DIV> <DIV>T6 Legendary</DIV> <DIV>T5 Fabled</DIV> <DIV>T5 Legendary</DIV> <DIV>.. etc...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other than this criteria, choose the shield with the highest equippable level.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>i haven't noticed a difference in the parses in t5 fabled compared to t6 fabled shields i block about the same % of times with them...  learning the new raids gives a good view of things (placing Lockjaw was a #$%# for me the first couple pulls)...  </P> <P>also tower > kite for guards (tower of stone)...</P> <P>SF means nothing, its all in the % of block a shield adds...</P> <P>Wabit<BR></P>

[ArivenGemini]

<span><blockquote><hr>Starwind87 wrote:A bit of a boost to make the Mit tanks more on par with avoidance tanks. Make avoidance tanks not be able to use sheilds, and have Shield Factor be turned into additional mitigation instead. So it helps you block, and ups your mit. <div></div><hr></blockquote> Avoidance tanks cant use shields, and have the equivilant of a shield build in (I think its a round shield, not 100% sure). I think the shield factor needs to be part of the shields effect.. mitigation may be nice, but it really does lend itself to being avoidance...  but a bigger and tougher shield -should- give more of whatever it gives than a smaller kite shield..</span><div></div>

[Prufro]

<span><blockquote><hr>Bhuhdiy wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <p></p> <hr> <p>RafaelSmith wrote:<span></span></p> <p><span>T1 Fabled > T6 Treasured in terms of block/avoidance.</span></p> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>That's not entirely accurate.  While it's true that your <u>displayed</u> avoidance will be greater with the "T1 Fabled", that shield would only be effective against T1 mobs and will be useless against T6 mobs.  <div> </div> <div>What the displayed numbers don't show you is this "level factor".  For example, when fighting a level 55 mob, a T6 Legendary shield will block better than T5 Fabled.  The T5 Fabled shield is only fully effective against mobs at the same level displayed on the shield (45) but is less effective (blocks less) against mobs higher than 45.  The higher the mob, the less effective it is.  This "level" factor is not displayed anywhere on your stats.</div> <div> </div> <div>Kite shields and Tower shields now have exactly the same base block factor.  So there is no longer an advantage to using a tower shield.</div> <div> </div> <div>So for a Guardian, choose shield in this order, Kite or Tower shield since they're identical now:</div> <div> </div> <div>T6 Fabled</div> <div>T6 Legendary</div> <div>T5 Fabled</div> <div>T5 Legendary</div> <div>.. etc...</div> <div> </div> <div>Other than this criteria, choose the shield with the highest equippable level.</div><p>Message Edited by Bhuhdiy on <span class="date_text">10-31-2005</span> <span class="time_text">10:20 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>If this was seriously the case then why would they show us a % to avoid and tell us it's the % to avoid an even con, no arrow mob.  You're saying that the % to avoid isn't really that % unless you're using gear that is all the same level as you, otherwise the number is basically lying to you. That would really make no sense.</span><div></div>