80% mitigation? How can you tell...

[Kriddle Kraddle]

<DIV>Is there a way to tell if you are at max mitigation for your level? Does anyone have any data on how this is calculated? Is it based on level only or also based off of arrows up and down. My understanding is mobs with down arrows or up arrows hit for less or more respectively but do you mitigate the same amount of damage if its an even con +++ or ---?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, if a mob is higher level do you mitigate less damage period or does higher mitigation allow you to reach that 80% cap for that creature? Example:  1000 mitigation = 80% for your level but you have 1200 mitigation. Does that mean you can mitigate 80% of  a mob that is 2 levels higher than you?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Keep in mind these numbers are just being pulled out of the air.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Kriddle Kraddle on <SPAN class=date_text>09-23-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:38 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Kriddle Kraddle on <span class=date_text>09-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:39 AM</span>

[Gungo]

The simple aswer is yes. When you put your cursor over your miti number it tells you how much mitigation you do against a npc your lvl. It does not change whether its a 3 up or 3 down. If you exceed this 80% mark vs npcs yoir lvl you will then be able to mitigate more vs npcs that are higher lvl then you, but always up to 80% vs them.

[TunaBoo]

The way mita scales now.. at 6 levels above you, you might as well be naked... totally stupid. <div></div>

[Gungo]

O yeah tuna is right vs orange and higher con that value is further dimished.

[Pin StNeedl]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TunaBoo wrote:<BR>The way mita scales now.. at 6 levels above you, you might as well be naked... totally stupid.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <P>That's because all that shiny armour you have is effectively level 40-43, so you're being hit by mobs 16-19 levels above your armour.</P> <P>That's the downside with the new system where you get the full mitigation as soon as you can wear the piece - the level really matters now. The equivalent in the old system would be you wearing T4 gear to tank level 55+ mobs. The only thing to do is replace it with some nice 400mit per piece stuff.</P>

[TanRaistlyn]

<DIV>Hence the reason I been promoting not just raising miti cap cuz I dont think thats a good idea, I think they should rework the Mitigation FORMULA, on how mitigation effects hits we take on mobs conning higher then our level.  Right now fighting deep yellows and oranges(most raid mobs in the future) I might as well let a assassin tank, his avoidance is twice mine.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Covenant</DIV>

[Kell]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TanRaistlyn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hence the reason I been promoting not just raising miti cap cuz I dont think thats a good idea, I think they should rework the Mitigation FORMULA, on how mitigation effects hits we take on mobs conning higher then our level.  Right now fighting deep yellows and oranges(most raid mobs in the future) I might as well let a assassin tank, his avoidance is twice mine.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Covenant</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffffff size=3>This has been my experience as well.  Mitigation has very little value now.......</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff size=3>Yellow mobs are far to easy for a 6 person group.<SPAN>  </SPAN>We can kill yellows all day with little down time.<SPAN>  </SPAN>This would be fine except it does not matter who is tanking!<SPAN>   </SPAN>The yellow mobs can be handled with pets, rangers, mages all tanking.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Fully buffed there is little measurable difference between guardians and other non-fighter classes tanking.<SPAN>  </SPAN>The statistics might be slightly better for me, but these statistical differences don’t seem to make a big difference in the fight or power usage.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff size=3>Orange levels mobs are too risky.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Our mitigation (or how mitigation works) does not make enough difference….the spike damage is crazy on these mobs.<SPAN>  </SPAN>We might be able to kill several without issue, but eventually you will get two big hits and go down.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff size=3>The yellow mobs can be tanked by almost anyone.<SPAN>  </SPAN>The mitigation/avoidance we get is simply not significant enough to make mush difference.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff size=3>The orange mobs are too tough, since our mitigation seems to make no difference…avoidance takes over on these mobs and other classes have better avoidance.<SPAN>  </SPAN>They can get killed with two hits as well, but those hits are LESS likely to be back to back.</FONT></P> <DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff size=3>The ONLY mobs I have seen us make any impact on are the named yellow mobs.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Fighter classes seem to make a difference here, but there other fighter classes can tank these way better than guardians.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN><FONT size=3>Where do we fit in?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by Kellic on <span class=date_text>09-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:31 PM</span>

[TunaBoo]

No thats not why my shiney armor doesn't work. Kobalt is just as bad. Once you hit 6 or 7 levels above you, mita is rediced so far.. fabled t6 heavy and verylight t6 is very very very close. <div></div>

[Pin StNeedl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TunaBoo wrote:<BR>No thats not why my shiney armor doesn't work. Kobalt is just as bad. Once you hit 6 or 7 levels above you, mita is rediced so far.. fabled t6 heavy and verylight t6 is very very very close.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Exactly. Cobalt is level 50 armour. It doesn't get any better as you level up, it's always level 50 armour, or basically Ebon in the old system.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And as for the T6 heavy fabled I've got/seen, it's 100+ per piece upgrade over T5 fabled (it all depends on the required level to wear) and things feel better when you've added a few hundred mitigation.</DIV>

[Khurghan]

(might be wrong but) think Tuna is talking about your level vs the mob level <font color="#ff3300">not<font color="#ffffff"> the level of your gear. If the mob is 7 levels (or more above you) it doesn't matter if you are wearing level 70 armor you will still mitigate like a wet paper bag going through a threshing machine.</font></font> <div></div>

[TunaBoo]

Exactly, you are missing the point. At 6 levels, mitigation is 100% useless. Casters and gaurdians tank the same. <div></div>

[Poochymama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TunaBoo wrote:<BR>Exactly, you are missing the point. At 6 levels, mitigation is 100% useless. Casters and gaurdians tank the same.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Totally true, when a mob is like 6 to 7 levels above you you mitigate like 5% of the incoming dmg where as mages mitigate like 3% of the incoming dmg, the difference is they avoid a whole lot more than you do.