Fighters Balanced????

[TanRaistlyn]

<DIV>Four threads now where Bruisers are saying they can solo even con Heroic ^^^'s and meanwhile my Guard in almost full fabled Level 51 cant solo a level 45^^^....Class balancing hmmm....Please can a Dev post here letting us know that you are at least checking into the Plate classes?? A lot of people are not happy, regardless of what the Nonguards are saying in here...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Covenant</DIV>

[JBo]

<DIV>My level 50 guardian in mostly legendary gear (with 1 fabled 1hand)can't solo green 40 melee heroic mob (nightbloods in EL). Didn't have enough DPS to kill it, and it hit me too often.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If this is what the developers have intended, then please make sure other classes are on par with guardians. If this is not intended, then please make some adjustments to the guardian subclass.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As of today, guardians have very little mitigation bonus over other classes, and the avoidances are almost the worst in all classes. A bonus mitigation is much needed for the guardian class and all other plate classes as well. The heavy armor has lowered the base avoidance value of guardians too much. I would suggest giving all plate tank classes a base avoidance of about 30%, which is on par with mage classes right now. Heavy armor do lower your movement speed, but with figher trainings, it shouldn't have too much avoidance penalty.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Gungo]

Once again tan you are misleading people with your post as i showded you beofre not one bruiser said he can solo an even con triple up heroic infact i don't recall a bruiser sayign he can solo any triple ups. Please don't lie it makes you look ignorant <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________</DIV> <DIV>tan wrote</DIV> <DIV> <P>My mistake...Even conned heroic ^^'s, and the 5th post down says he can tank even conned heroics and mez and add if he gets one and just FD's it so not to Die...Man to be able to solo a even conned heroic, and have self heal, and have FD, and have mez...its seriously a good thing they nerfed plate classes...And a good thing our sheilds are real valuable for blocking attacks...</P> <P>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________</P> <P>see you even admitted you were wrong why then repost lies again. Misleading people eith exagerated information tan is petty and childish.</P></DIV> <P>the last thread you said a assasin was tanking a lvl 57-58 <STRONG>EPIC </STRONG>mob in a group. Yet you faild to provide any proof. Now you claim bruisers soloing white con 3 up heroics and again you have no proof just liek the last time i called you out.</P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:04 PM</span>

[dpsman]

<P>While the op may have mislead..I have seen with my own eyes, the following classes soling ^^^ heroics blue and even white to them:</P> <P>Conjurers, Bruisers,Monks,Illusionists " Please note I watched an illusionist solo a yellow ^^^, wizards, warlocks and necros"</P> <P>              There are many threads started on classes soloing ^^^ heroics and there always derailed by someone saying its bull. If its proof you want I will have my wife solo a ^^^ to end this bull saying its not happening, I will even solo a ^^^ on my warlocvk alt tp prove it. Please note most of these classes that say it cant be done may have tryed it once and gave up, It does take good gear and skill amd even then the outcome is very close can go either way. I do not want to see anyone get nerfed, I think its great that these classes acan solo and have fun; but SOE has shafted the Guardians, probably other plate classes; but I can only speak for Guardian as I play 1. Are we supposed to be soloing ^^^...NO, but It was the last straw when I took my lvl 52 Guardian to Everfrost and got killed by a lvl 44 golem, keep in mind my Guardian is fully fabled and I tryed to kill it in defensive and offensive stance.</P> <P>           When it comes to grouping I have no problem, I hold aggro just fime now and the healers keep me up just fine; but some of us do like to solo from time to time. I understand things may be fixed and Ive seen the devs say keep posting we are listening to your feedback; but does anyone from SOE even play a high lvl toon? How in the worls can you make a gamer like this and not have your own people qualified to get it right.</P> <P>         I think it would make all of us Guardians hapy if we could get some type of response on this issue, I dont plan on quitting; but something has happened this week I havnt experienced in 5 years of playing eq " I just didnt want to play, I lost interest"</P>

[dpsman]

<P>Here is a thread to read a little proof: </P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=8305" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=8305</A></P>

[Danter]

<P>Bruisers at the moment are way overpowered.</P> <P>I was trioing 53-54 heroics with a 52 Bruiser, 50 Paladin, and me (51 guard) and the Bruiser was putting up 280+ DPS with a prismatic and an imbued ebon weapon.  I was tanking and putting up about 80-100 DPS mainly due to Tremor Master I on aoe encounters and my fabled hardened metallic hammer's 12% proc rate for 175-250.  The Paladin was healing and warding and was putting up about 80 DPS per fight.</P> <P>We parsed for a good hour, so these are the averages.</P> <P>I don't mind Bruiser's damage, but if they're able to tank as well as guards (which he was when he used rescue when my life was low on adds)  and able to fear adds/interrupt/stun/FD, etc. something has to be addressed.</P>

[Gungo]

Dpsman no where in that thread does it say a bruiser solo'd an even con 3 up heroic the OP was wrong and lieing even after i pointed out his mistake and he admitted it he decided to create another post w the same misleading lie. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>also to the prior poster those numbers are fairly acurate but you have to take into regard the gaurd was tanking and dps decreases tremendously when tanking also i am sure the higher lvl brawler was in offensive stance or solo stance where you where in defensive w a shield. what is really sad is if that pally was in offensive stance 80dps is pitifully low.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text> and for the guardians who have yet to prove a brawler tanking a 3 up heroic, here is the clip of a fight.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=21601" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=21601</A></SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:42 AM</span>