Other classes soling heroic mobs.

[Kfi]

<DIV>Trying to keep this somewhat constuctive, but I thought this whole comabt revamp was to weed out the classes who had an advantage. Well here is proof that Bruisers are not only soloing heroic encounters, but in some cases could take 2 at a time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would like the Devs to look over this, and ask the question why are they able to do it now, and other classes cant?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Proof: <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=8305" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=7&message.id=8305</A></DIV>

[Gungo]

I may have missed it but no where did it say any bruiser took down 2 heroic at once. that best i saw was someone comment he took down a 2 up even con heroic. <p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:40 PM</span>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>An even con, Heroic three arrows is what he said, and then another confirmed it down farther that he also can do it, and Mez an add if he happens to get it...But YEAH good thing they nerfed plate classes...</P> <P> </P> <P>Covenant</P>

[Gungo]

<DIV> <DIV>Is anyone else having any luck with heroics?  I am able to solo even-conned ^ ^ heroics in DoF.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tysun,</DIV> <DIV>46 Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>51 Tailor</DIV> <DIV>Befallen</DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That was the First post </DIV> <DIV>another commented on taking down a blue heroic </DIV> <DIV>and another commneted on taking down 3x yellow 2 down  heroic</DIV></DIV> <P>So you are wrong please provide the qoute.</P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:57 PM</span>

[sylvo]

Your right, thats perfectly ok then... <div></div>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>My mistake...Even conned heroic ^^'s, and the 5th post down says he can tank even conned heroics and mez and add if he gets one and just FD's it so not to Die...Man to be able to solo a even conned heroic, and have self heal, and have FD, and have mez...its seriously a good thing they nerfed plate classes...And a good thing our sheilds are real valuable for blocking attacks...</P> <P> </P> <P>Covenant</P>

[Gungo]

<P>No and yes</P> <P>brawlers cant solo casters well, and they cant really solo even 3 up green heroics.  On the right mob if lucky we cna get 2 up white heroics soem blue and yes 2 up green. Is it right to solo heroic not really. although the devs had said it can be possible for some players/classes to solo some low con heroic. so i dont have a major issue w it. Casters sololing red con orange con and 3 up heroics w/o breaking a sweet kinda sucks. But since they are nerfing anyone from fighting orange red cons i dont have a problem w casters soloing white or lower heroics if they are a well equipped well played character.</P>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>WOW YOUR KIDDING ME!! you a bruiser doesnt have a problem being able to solo even con'd heroics...man you sure had a problem when Guards could do stuff like that...weird how that works huh...</P> <P> </P> <P>Covenant</P>

[Gungo]

hey i am proposing giving gaurd more utility to help them solo/small group better. maybe you cna solo soem low con heroic as well wouldnt't that be cool. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>no i never once said i had a problem w gaurds soloing heroic. please provide the qoute i said that</DIV> <DIV>what i complained about is guardians being the best tank by far and basically destroying other fighters.</DIV> <P>so please read, comprehend what you are writing make sure its factual, and make a decent debate.</P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:16 PM</span>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>Ya maybe someday I can solo low level heroics, with our "soon to be announced" utility buffs and CA's...That sure would be gee golly good pops...</P> <P> </P> <P>Covenant</P>

[Gungo]

<P>hey past all the ranting there is plenty of good ideas comign forth that don't include making gaurd have superior tanking.</P> <P>add mitigation to shields. this allows a differentiation betwen kite and tower. not like 200 extra mtitigation will make gaurds a super tank</P> <P>add a new pull ability to replace anchor- i proposed a long range stilfe bow atk it will help you pulling especially on caster so you don't get nuked. (usable on epics)</P> <P>reduce stuns/stilfes- i proposed adding stunprocs to your offensive stance thsi allows you to stun a mob so you will in turn be stuned less also helping you solo by reducing the damage during the fight</P> <P>a class defining long reuse ability- i proposed a shield block that negates the next DD spell you take.. long reuse 5 min reuse </P> <P>also can add a long 15 min reuse protect spell that takes all the damage another person gets for the next 5 hits at 50% reduced damage. That sound like a guardian to me. increases to this skill line can take additional hits. </P> <P>add slow to a gaurd group taunt.</P> <P>How about guards getting a Tsunami type skill (like the new monk) but this skill should riposte taunts not damage. Why well just like eq1 the first 15 secs of the raid are the hardest part. This skill would not only allow a gaurd to survive but also generate agro. So the debuffers can do thier job and slow/debuff the mob so you cna actually survive an epics mobs massive autoattack damage.</P><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:26 PM</span>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>Thanks for a Bruiser to tell us what we do and dont want.  YOU know what 90percent of the GUARDS want?>??? TO TANK BETTER!!!!  We want our mitigation fixed, keep our avoidance we shouldnt have that anyways, but we should be able to take hits A LOT BETTER!!!  If we wanted utility we woulda went Crusader....WE want to TANK so we went Guards... now scouts tank as well as that.  As a Bruiser IM SURE you dont want our mitigation fixed, but we dont a Bow Proc pull, who the heck cares about that...and as far as sheilds are concerned...YA fix those too, more mitigation(or mitigation fixed) AND fixing the Tower sheilds would be a huge jump in the right direction.  </P> <P>Bruisers can Self heal, Mez, FD, DPS, Tank...and your telling us with a straight face u think guards need a Bow Proc'ing Slow pull????  Theres a bruiser thread calling your name, suggest fixes to a class your familiar with.</P> <P> </P> <P>Covenant</P>

[Gungo]

<P>come now using the same argument  here ya go again here is a nice 2 page long thread w guards askign to solo/group better. wow the origianl poster said he didn't care about being able to raid tank or even be able to just take a hit he just wanted his class to be fun again. </P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=17791" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=17791</A></P> <DIV>actually soem of those ideas are mine but some are from guardians on the gaurdian forum i just sift thru the rants and pull out the actual ideas peopel have.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:35 PM</span>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>A 2 page long thread...umm okies, there are hundreds of Guards on each server...that hardly proves any point, and if SOE or You for that matter started sending tells to any guards over the level 45 they will tell you that they want to tank better.  Thats why they made Guardians TO TANK!!!  90percent guards are not happy about the revamp in the simple reasons that Bruisers are out there doing rediculous things, while guards can do almost nothing...Its absurd that you are really trying to say most Guards would rather have slows or buffs instead of better tanking abilities, its simple not true.</P> <P> </P> <P>Covenant</P>

[Gungo]

<DIV>hehe thats exactly my point not everyone is a maxed out power leveling guardian some do want utility and that is a notable concern. Like i said deny it if you want, but you and the handful of guards who post on the boards are nto the majority.</DIV>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>Your wrong take a poll, most guards did start a Guard cuz they wanted to tank...not cuz they wanted to buff, or slow, or heal, or mez, or nuke, read the description in the manual. Its amazing to me that you are really sticking to that MOST guards want utility and not better tanking abilities...THOSE people are the minorities.</P> <P>And ya know what, give guards utilities I dont care, if it allows Guards to Raid MT better, and Grp Tank better, and Solo Better, just as well as a bruiser, then we aint got an argument.  But I have yet to see you suggest anything that would help guards do any of these things other then increasing the sheild factor.</P> <P>And this nerf came about cuz monks/bruisers called nerf on the Guards, now Bruisers are soloing heroic encounters(something SOE said numerous times they didnt want happening) and your telling us that we should be happy with what we have...amazing how different it is when the shoe is on the other foot.</P> <P> </P> <P>Covenant</P>

[Gungo]

What other foot bud gaurdians are still the preferred MT on raids hence the best overall tank. You are tankd just becuase when you get utility does not mean you don't tank as well as other, but i guess you are blinded by your own ego. you asked for proff where guards want utility i give you a 2 page thread then you completely ignore it. funny thign about that thread if you actually read it there are many different people asking for the same thing where as the threads relating to gaurds asking for pure ac has the same handful of peopel whining. You fail to see any use in anything other then avodi and mititgation and dont realise those 2 factors are not all that encompasses tanking for instance guards have the highest defense and yes defense does more then add avodiance. what it does exactly no one on these boards except the devs know. you are currently the best tank what you are askign for is to be the only tank. atm all tanks are able to fulfil thier role and tank for groups and yet that bothers you. where is the logic in that. I am saying what you want will unbalance fighters period.

[Donfael]

<FONT size=2> <P>I watched a Berserker in Sinking Sands killing the Heroic Desert Lunatic groups. After a while I thought I would try them and see how I'd do. What was I thinking?! After killing just 1 of the 4-5 mobs I had one bubble of health left. Fortunately I had enough power left to sprint and escape.</P> <P>My general opinion is that the non-guardian classes needed adjusted so that they could tank decently and even be superior in certain situations. As it stands, guardians are seriously gimped and have no outstanding features. I agree with what I am hearing as the general assessment. Our mitigation needs to be upped or something needs to be done to make the guardian a viable tanking class.</P> <P> </P> <P>Donfaer</P></FONT>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>Amen Im constantly out solo'd and out tanked by other fighter classes and "Gunga" swears that Guards are still out there tanking raid mobs...Id love to see this, cuz as it stands no Guilds on our server are using Guards to tank any of the T5 contesteds cuz they die withing 10 seconds, even with 9 healers like we had against VazGok last night and a levle 53 Guard...</P> <P> </P> <P>Covenant</P>

[Gungo]

My guild uses his guard as does every other guild on my server. also You claim your guild guard gets ownd by t5 raid mobs, but how well do the other classes do agaisnt those t5 raid mobs? just as bad or worse correct? the reason is becasue most t5 raid mobs have not beeen retuned and are auto atking for 3-5k a pop. even airoliz our main tank gets ownd by 2x contested its probably possible to take out asphyxia w the best set up for mitigation, but we decided to wait till he gets full cobalt. angler, drayek meathook, broog, zalak are all doable by a gaurd now but abit harder. we havent even tried arch lich, Motm, temblar or kdal yet. and we use to do all these raids and more daily. So just becuase your guild is [Removed for Content] don't claim becuase your gaurd can't take epic that other fighters are better until you prove those other fighters can tank that raid where your gaurd cant as well. I am still goign to call you out on your B.S