Hmm.. intriguing thought..

[jadsded]

I was thinking about the changes that have transpired, and the way many are worried about how the fighter subclasses and Guards in particular are going to play out.  Let me get this straight we are tanks that tank only as good as everyone else, and our specialty is having one extra taunt and group buffs.  So hmm.. we have no dps and great group buffs.... kinda like a bard... But we can taunt and hold a sheild and use almost every weapon in the game like a EQlive warrior. I am Bardior fear me!! The sad part is that one utility doesn't stack with our other utility.  Either we are buffing everyone that shouldn't get hit due to our "best agg in the game" or our agg is useless so others can take advantage of it.  Why bother giving us both? It really makes no sense.  I know that this ihasn't changed since the beginning of the game, but I was reallly hoping when they shifted the CAs that they woulda seen this.  Give me more taunts and less group buffs thank you.  Or even better give me something that works in conjunction with agg like more or better self buffs, or hate procs, or something.  That or actually turn us into the Bards of the fighter line and take away our extra taunts and give em to someone who can use our buffs.  Just define our stinking role. Peace out, Jadd 36 Guardian Lost Heroes Faydark <div></div>

[MrMartin]

<DIV>Couldnt agree more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cant even stack my Do or Die and Battle tactics anymore. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>I feel ripped off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only good thing I found is that Desperate Flurry now gives me 48 str. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ohh and I managed to [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] up the respec. Took Do or Die as Master II instead of group-taunt!! :S</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lekoaf of Runnyeye</DIV> <DIV>37th Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Senior Officer of Paragons of Valour</DIV>

[Raahl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MrMartin wrote:<BR> <DIV>Couldnt agree more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cant even stack my Do or Die and Battle tactics anymore. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>I feel ripped off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only good thing I found is that Desperate Flurry now gives me 48 str. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ohh and I managed to [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] up the respec. Took Do or Die as Master II instead of group-taunt!! :S</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lekoaf of Runnyeye</DIV> <DIV>37th Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Senior Officer of Paragons of Valour</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Luck they are giving us another /respec after the Bonus exp period.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[Lemm]

<DIV>Let me preface my comments with this:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My character is a level 38 Guardian.  I've been playing since about January, and have no other characters besides this guy (well no others that I've played past level 10) and I have never played any other MMORPG (but I have played online RPGs-D2, NWN...)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>OK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think SOE has taken the approach that the guardian is, litterally, a *guardian*:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- We may tank as well as others, aggro on par, or slightly better than, other fighter classes.</DIV> <DIV>- We mitigate damage slightly better than *most* other classes (depending on a number of factors including equip, buffs...)</DIV> <DIV>- We can use tower shields to add to our mitigation</DIV> <DIV>- We can buff the defense/health/stamina/... of the group</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But here is the kicker.  Guardians can "guard" our allies.  We have a number of spells to allow us a chance to take a % of damage dealt to an ally. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think this has been SOE's plan for us since the beginning.  To aid our allies in battle.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We buff them, try to maintain aggro, but most importantly take direct damage away from them and onto us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We can complain that we are not the best aggro holder, the best shield, the best dps, but we certainly are the best at GUARDING or friends.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What we can complain about is the 85% of the time played spent looking for a group to protect. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Raahl]

<P>LemmyK, the problem with this is that it makes us off-tanks.  We won't defend the party by tanking mobs, we will be defending another fighter type who is tanking the mobs.</P> <P>I'm getting mixed signals from the posts here.  More than half do not like the changes, while the others seem to believe things are not that bad.</P> <P>As a level 40 guardian my base Mit = 34.5 and my base Avoid = 36.  I'm in fulginate and wearing T5 jewelry.  Using self buffs I am at Mit = 44, avoid = 40. </P> <P>I haven't gotten to test out combat yet.  But from what I am hearing, I am going to be taking a huge amount of damage.</P> <P>I'm wondering if it would be best to max out Agi in the next respec.  Not sure how that affects avoidance.</P>