edited: Anyone care to post their 14,24,34,44, and 54 training picks? and thoughts?

[SkarlSpeedbu]

<DIV>BIG EDIT*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess since they just changed the levels and what choices we get for training, this post is garbage, sorry.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If anyone cares to discuss the choices they would pick at 14, 24, 34, 44, and 54 I would be interested though <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by SkarlSpeedbump on <span class=date_text>08-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:40 AM</span>

[SkarlSpeedbu]

<DIV>edited because it was not on topic.</DIV><p>Message Edited by SkarlSpeedbump on <span class=date_text>08-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:40 AM</span>

[Sir_Halbarad]

I am not in beta, so I have no real first-hand knowledge. I am only judging from forum info. Level 10-30: Since I am 50 and the days to use grey spells seem to be over, I don't care that much. I guess I will get the taunt/defensive stance stuff though I think in case of mentor raids 10: Shout 20: Soldier's Stance 30: Wall of Flesh or Goading Defense (no clue, look like new spells) Level 40: (at 50 outdated) Group Taunt OR Offensive Group Buff OR Defensive Group Buff OR Melee Attack I am pretty sure I will go for Call of Protection (which will be upgraded at 52 but all of them are or will be soon) Level 50: Hard to say I fear Single Target Taunt OR Encounter Taunt Attack OR HP Buff OR Defensive Stance Deafen Master II is a 20% increase to Adept III Fortified Stance Master II is a 20% Increase to Adept III Return to Battle Master II is a 40% increase to Adept I (guess it will be 20% as well compared to Adept III) Taunting Assault Master II is a 20% increase to Adept III At the moment I am leaning towards Fortified Stance personally. Level 60: Havent seen screenshots of those 4 yet, but I put my guesses - based on the names - in brackets Inflaming Defense (No clue) Steadfast Stance (Upgrade to Forttified Stance) Goading Assault (Upgrade to Taunting Assault) Confront (No clue, might be Deafen or Protect?) Not really bothering with these at the moment since the boards will be flooded with info once I hit 60 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Airog]

<P> Level 10 - no idea.</P> <P>Level 20 - no idea.</P> <P>Level 30 - no idea.</P> <P>Level 40 - no idea.</P> <P>Level 50 - I have been told that all level 47-50 Combat Arts are not going to get an upgrade Combat Art in T6. Can anybody confrim this? If so, I would pick Return to Battle as it is the only one that you will not have an upgrade for, thus makeing it MUCH more benefecial at level 60.</P> <P>Level 60 - Stead Fast Stance (assumeing this is the T6 upgrade to Fortified Stance)</P>

[Sir_Halbarad]

Good argument, Airoguy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Think Return to Battle is the better choice then <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Shizzirri]

<P>I did not see a new single target taunt in the list of level 51-57 skills so it may be worthwhile upgrading deafen, especially when the taunt we do get is a "hold the line" taunt and personally I hate that spell with a passion...</P> <P>You will also be able to get master 3 spells so take that into consideration.</P> <P>I do have master 1 return to battle so I would probably hold back on using my 50 skill as return to battle.  It wouldn't make sense to upgrade from master 1 to master 2.</P>

[SkarlSpeedbu]

So is this a relatively thought provoking topic?  I usually post drivel in ngd <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[WinterAnar]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SkarlSpeedbump wrote:<BR> <DIV>Level 10 - toughness, kick, shout or call to arms?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Level 20- soldier stance, anger, concussion, or battle tactics?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Level 30- wall of flesh, maim, iron will, or goading defence?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Level 40- call to battle, call of protection, smothering cry or ferocious charge?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Level 50- deafen, taunting assault, return to battle, fortified stance?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Level 60- inflaming defense, stead fast stance, goading assault, or confront?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think these are going to be the training picks outlined so far.  Which ones would you pick?  Why?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am going to research each of these from the beta Combat art screenshots and try to pick favorites, but I would love for some others to do the same to see what they think is best.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Humor me this at least seems something good to look up and compare <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grissil Blockhead</DIV> <DIV>ogre guard, oasis</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>This is what I would pick from my admitedly short time tanking in this game so far.  And this is also assuming that you'll be leveling up and caring about the skills.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>10 - Shout or Call to Arms.  They take a while to get upgraded and both are quite useful.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>20 - I'd go with soldiers stance.  The single target taunt seems almost worthless as well most encounters in this game seem to have more than one creature in them.  Getting hit for less when you have a ton of stuff bashing on you seems to be the best bet at this point.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>30+ - Not sure what all of these arts are but if any are a defencive stance (which some are I'm sure) or a shout upgrade I'd grab one of those.  I'd lean twards a defencive stance, but that's just me, with how much more common rare harvests are supposedly going to be (A Dev said this) I'd take master stances and adept3 taunts, but then again with the changes in healing agro generation it might be best to do it the other way. *shrug*  Need healed more and have more taunt threat or healed less and have less taunt threat.  Not sure if taking damage reduces your threat in this game, I'm used to FFXI where getting hit would rediuce your place on the hate list.</DIV>

[Dr]

<P>I created a few toons and took pics of each upgrade we get Traits wise for each tier.  Dont have the Tier 6 Choice yet.</P> <P><IMG src="http://www.vvvguild.org/guardtraits.jpg"></P>

[TunaBoo]

For 50 deafen = upgrade 55ish, so waste taunting assault = upgrade 60ish, i think return to battle = upgrade 50 some, won't stack fortified stance = no upgrade, clear choice for level 50 training. less I am missing something. <div></div>

[Chog]

Unless Guardinas are different then other classes, each skill is upgraded every 14 levels...<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TunaBoo wrote:<BR>For 50<BR><BR>deafen = upgrade 55ish, so waste  <FONT color=#66ff00>Receive at 45, upgrade is 59</FONT><BR>taunting assault = upgrade 60ish, i think  <FONT color=#66ff00>Receive at 44, upgrade 58</FONT><BR>return to battle = upgrade 50 some, won't stack <FONT color=#66ff00>Receive at 47, upgrade at 61</FONT><BR>fortified stance = no upgrade, clear choice for level 50 training. <FONT color=#66ff00>44 / 58</FONT><BR><BR>less I am missing something.<BR> <P><FONT color=#66ff00>If you only want a skill that will not be upgradeded by 60, Return to battle is the only choice.</FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[TunaBoo]

Wow you sure? I swear I saw a return to battle upgrade 50-60.  If not, I'm there. <div></div>

[WinterAnar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Chogar wrote:<BR> Unless Guardinas are different then other classes, each skill is upgraded every 14 levels...<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TunaBoo wrote:<BR>For 50<BR><BR>deafen = upgrade 55ish, so waste  <FONT color=#66ff00>Receive at 45, upgrade is 59</FONT><BR>taunting assault = upgrade 60ish, i think  <FONT color=#66ff00>Receive at 44, upgrade 58</FONT><BR>return to battle = upgrade 50 some, won't stack <FONT color=#66ff00>Receive at 47, upgrade at 61</FONT><BR>fortified stance = no upgrade, clear choice for level 50 training. <FONT color=#66ff00>44 / 58</FONT><BR><BR>less I am missing something.<BR> <P><FONT color=#66ff00>If you only want a skill that will not be upgradeded by 60, Return to battle is the only choice.</FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>As far as I can tell, Fighter stances are not upgraded every 14 levels.  iirc Soldiers Stance (level 16) doesn't get upgraded till Fortified Stance (level 44).  They may have changed this and I may be very wrong now.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by WinterAnarth on <SPAN class=date_text>08-27-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:33 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by WinterAnarth on <span class=date_text>08-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:34 PM</span>

[TunaBoo]

Well 51-60 posted http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=3&message.id=15552 See fortified stance upgrade, dont see do or die upgrade. less I am missing something. <div></div>

[knightinplaid]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>iirc Soldiers Stance (level 16) doesn't get upgraded till Fortified Stance (level 44).  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Dig In fits in at level 30.</DIV>

[Airog]

Aye, RtB would be best level 50 choise, as is only non-upgraded one.