odd nukes on raids

[Wabit]

<DIV>this happened in 2 different raids last night...  i got hit for 10k+ icecomets</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the first was against Dryake...  i had roughtly 5k cold resists and about 2 mins into fight i got hit with a 15k icecomet...  out zerker pulled agro while i was getting alive again he got nailed for 12k...  cycled agro through a couple ppl, templar in MT group was 10k nuked...  then the conj pet got agro (it tanked for longer than either me or the zerker)...  i got agro back and 30 secs later an 8k icecomet droped on me...  called for a wipe and someone to campout to reset the encounter...  redid groups so my resists were above 7k cold...  not one nuke was cast durin the second attempt...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>then in Ant raid the one of twins hit me for 10k icecomet (had 6k resists)...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>a couple days ago Zalak was doin 13k nils (6k resists), and the arch lich was doin the same...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it seems that if the encounter is reset the nukes aren't there the next time...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>my favorite was getting by a 6k icecomet then a 12k nil from the same mob in like 10 secs =/...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>am i just having bad luck or are resist totaly bugged now???</DIV>

[Pin StNeedl]

<P>Every time a mob spawns it can spawn with different attacks, and those attacks can be of different strengths. A reset is counted as a new spawn.</P> <P>As for the big hits with high resists. Those usually happen when the mob debuffs your resists (Drayek drops Piercing Icicles, followed with either Ice Comet or Ball of Flames, for example) and it's quite normal for you not to notice this - you see good resists at the start of the fight and then assume you had those when you were hit... It's also common for healers to fall asleep due to boredom on that encounter and miss the cure <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>At least it's not identical every day - some surprises are good to keep interest <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[TunaBoo]

Get 6k resists, and over 10k hp, and you can take any spell in the game. For bonus points get a shimmering star BP and shoot it back. <div></div>

[Pa]

<P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=58731#M58731" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=58731#M58731</A></P> <P>You can only mitigate 50% of epic mobs spell dmg now apparently, max. And yes its ignorant, Ice comet is like giving epic mobs that are 56+ random DT's. I've had 6k+ CR and still get hit for 8k-14k Ice comets over and over on borxx / zatan etc.. not once or twice.. over and over and over and over and over.</P> <P>Luck is fun!</P>

[TunaBoo]

<div></div>hummm I have never been nuked for over like 4000 in the past 2 months since I got my resist gear up to snuff. Capping resists is really lame.. as one aspect of tanking (resist gear) is now flushed down the crapper. Capping resists at 50% of an aoe.. means you only need 3k of a resist. So 3k cr is all you need for vox... any more is wasted. Back in the day we could boost a group up to 6k+, and be basically aoe proof.. if you go through the effort of getting those resists... it should work <div></div><p>Message Edited by TunaBoo on <span class=date_text>07-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:53 AM</span>

[Pa]

<P>This is just the most recent example I could look for in my logs</P> <P> </P> <P>I had 4300 something CR for first 2, which would normally suffice on Borxx with np at all.</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 15:59:16 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 14058 points of cold damage.</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 16:15:05 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 13777 points of cold damage.</P> <P>And 5735 CR for these last 3</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 16:58:02 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 7774 points of cold damage.</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 17:08:31 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 6434 points of cold damage.</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 17:10:45 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 8639 points of cold damage.</P> <P>Sometimes he doesnt ever cast Ice Comet at all, like the OP said, once they reset they seem to load a different spell lineup or adjust in some way.</P> <P>Resists are about as ignorant as the defense bug. Many mobs have come down to pure luck now, its ridiculous. Challenge doesnt involve luck, it involves skill, theres no skill involved in the RNG rolling you a decent resist when you have more than sufficient resists already, and then hoping you have near full hp's when the nukes you dont interrupt over a 10-15min fight land.</P> <P>I just hope these are bandaid fixes until the combat changes, a byproduct of raising mob levels significantly with no forethought or regard to their spells doing so much dmg afterwards etc.. When resists mattered it was ok, but compounded with the new resist change its just simply stupid. If this is the way the game is going to stay then the developers have no [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing idea whats 'fun' or 'challenging' theyre just pulling [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] out of their [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], which as a player isnt very comforting.</P> <P>And yea Niscanith was casting Ice Comet / Nil Distortion / Devastation all 3 the last time we fought him as the OP said happened to him on a mob as well, this stuff is just getting ignorant beyond belief. We still won after one wipe thinking [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], and the win did feel good, moreso for overcoming the pure idiocy than anything else. However that was before the new and deproved resist changes I'm pretty sure. If they want to cap resists at 50% mitigation thats fine I'm all for it, mitigating AE's to the point of them not even mattering was definitely not challenging. Tone down the stupid nukes though, a 10k max on Ice comet and Nil Distortion (5k mitigated) would be much more in line with how it <STRONG>should</STRONG> be, imo anyway.</P>

[Pin StNeedl]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Paen wrote:<BR> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=58731#M58731" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=58731#M58731</A></P> <P>You can only mitigate 50% of epic mobs spell dmg now apparently, max. And yes its ignorant, Ice comet is like giving epic mobs that are 56+ random DT's. I've had 6k+ CR and still get hit for 8k-14k Ice comets over and over on borxx / zatan etc.. not once or twice.. over and over and over and over and over.</P> <P>Luck is fun!</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>That's not 50% of all epic spell damage. That's 50% of certain sources of spell damage (or rather from certain types of spells). Ice Comet, Nil Distortion, Devastation, etc (i.e. all the spells which PCs also have) are not subject to this cap - they just hit hard.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ones which are subject to this cap are things like Vox' AoE, exploding royal patriarchs and the like</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Paen wrote:<BR> <P>I had 4300 something CR for first 2, which would normally suffice on Borxx with np at all.</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 15:59:16 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 14058 points of cold damage.</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 16:15:05 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 13777 points of cold damage.</P> <P>And 5735 CR for these last 3</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 16:58:02 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 7774 points of cold damage.</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 17:08:31 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 6434 points of cold damage.</P> <P>[Sun Jul 17 17:10:45 2005] Borxx's Ice Comet hits YOU for 8639 points of cold damage.</P> <P>Sometimes he doesnt ever cast Ice Comet at all, like the OP said, once they reset they seem to load a different spell lineup or adjust in some way.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>In these logs, what else are you being hit with at the time? Borxx has a habit of chain-debuffing your elemental resists and you'll need fast cures or interrupts to survive.<BR>

[Wabit]

<P>well on my 15k hit i had been hit with nothing strange as far a sa debuff...  in the last 30 sec of the fight the only thing i had been hit by was a knockback and his regular melee hits...  i had blocked/avoided and special attacks, and no other spells had been cast by him...  i know my guildies, they don't let any effect sit on me for more than 2 secs...  and my templar and warden both asked what truck ran over me when i went from full health to none, so that meant that all of their concentration buffs were up...</P> <P>i got my answer though that at least one other person has had this happen to them...</P> <P>Wabit</P>

[Pa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pin StNeedles wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>That's not 50% of all epic spell damage. That's 50% of certain sources of spell damage (or rather from certain types of spells). Ice Comet, Nil Distortion, Devastation, etc (i.e. all the spells which PCs also have) are not subject to this cap - they just hit hard.</BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ones which are subject to this cap are things like Vox' AoE, exploding royal patriarchs and the like</DIV><BR>In these logs, what else are you being hit with at the time? Borxx has a habit of chain-debuffing your elemental resists and you'll need fast cures or interrupts to survive.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I thought it was just AE's too, Ice comet in particular seems to have been affected though, and possibly any level 50 spells, if not I was just extremely lucky for months until recently, which is highly unlikely.</P> <P>Theres no chance of winning Borxx currently without cures and interrupts, ofcourse we were doing both.</P> <P>Regardless, they need to cap spell damage, wiping and wasting time because of bad luck on resist rolls is just ignorant. If I wasnt paying attention to my resists or interrupts and got near DT'd every 15sec that makes sense, when you do everything right and still die to chance, thats whats wrong. So many mobs are just cookie cutter lvl 56-57 warlocks or wizards (or both in some cases) with wrath AE its just not even fun.</P>

[TunaBoo]

This is to INIATE abilities.. borxx is just a wizard.. his aoe will not be resisted as much now, but his ice commets are fully resistable. 4k CR is way too low, 6k is the bare minimum if you wnat to be able to eat ice commets. <div></div>