Racials Diferrence at level 50

[Zodi]

<DIV>Hey guys sorry to bother you with this question but I would really like to know the following:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300>For level a 50 guardians with <U>no gear</U> what are the max possible stats difference?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Ogre (guardian level 50)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>STR, AGI, STA ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Barbarian (guardian level 50)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>STR, AGI, STA ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Human (guardian level 50)</FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>STR, AGI, STA ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Troll (guardian level 50)</FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>STR, AGI, STA ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Iskar (guardian level 50)</FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>STR, AGI, STA ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Etc, you guys know the question. I am really interrested to know what difference does a race actually makes on a toon and disprove or prove that myth is true or false</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I apprecite anybody who takes out of his own time to help me with this issue</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>

[MaddBomber]

<P>Hmm, do the stats increase as you level?</P> <P>I was under the impression that a level 50 and a level 1 will have the same base stats (the int str ectra).  Thier power pools would be diff, but not the base stats.  </P> <P>I have not watched this though as I have leveled toons.</P>

[SirDra]

Thats sorta of a crazy question and I dont feel like taking the time to actually go find out the answer, but if your asking which race is the best to be a tank the answer is an Ogre or Barbarian. Both of these classes get +5 defence passive traditions and alot of added hp. +5 defence is a nice advantage, it puts you one whole level ahead of the mob you are fighting. The one diffrence I have noticed is Ogres do get a 30 minute recast 3 minute duration +5 defence buff that can be cast between diffrent raid groups or on yourself. Humans also have leadership which gives defence but the agility, stamina, str start for them is not as good. Base stats aren't all that matter though, the person makes the character not the other way around, and on a side note ogres are just ugly. <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by SirDrake on <span class=date_text>05-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:45 AM</span>

[shilo]

<DIV>Dwarves also get a +5 defense racial trait...if you so choose that one. I have a level 50 Dwarf Guardian, and my base defense unbuffed, by myself or others, is 255.</DIV>

[SirDra]

<DIV>Forgot about dwarfs, dont see alot of them on my server. Yes they are very nice also.</DIV>

[Chanliang]

Base stats at 50 comes from racial stats + some mods when you choose your profession like fighter (easy to check just create fighter and hop to island of refugee) + traits which you can choose when you level up.  I think you don't gain any stats when you ding level 10 and 20 to choose sub-classes, didnt check those tho.  So basically 80-90% of yout attributes comes from equipment at 50. For traits if I remember right you can choose 4 times from all attributes as you please, then you can choose 4 times from racial traits and then you can choose some resists, hp, power etc few times. So basically it goes like: Racial attr. + class attr + 4x +4attr + 2-4xracial attr = str/agi/sta/int/wis at 48 or so.  Plus top of that hp/power/resists/trainings/shot dur buffs from different traits. So Ogre guard for example could be like base 25sta +10sta class + 4x4 sta + 1x4sta = 25 + 10 +16 +4 = 55 base (base str would be then like 25 + 10 + 4 = 39) http://www.eq2arcanum.com/static/TraitsTalents.php helpfull place to figure out different stats... <div></div>

[Zodi]

<DIV>The reason I ask such a crazy question is because I have heard in numerous times from OGRES and BARBARIANS players on my server that I made poor choice  with a Human / GUARDIAN  combo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand andi am fully aware that player skill, knowledge and EQUIPMENT its what makes the difference, but I was just curious to see what would be diference between a level 50 Ogre V/S Barbarian V/S Human with their own traits.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank everyone who contributed to this post</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Shizzirri]

I know I had one for avoidance/agility (woodelf), I believe I got one for defense as well but I am not if that was a class trait or a racial one.

[Yinli]

Thats Wind Warrior, +2% def and +2% parry

[MaddBomber]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zodian wrote:<BR> <DIV>The reason I ask such a crazy question is because I have heard in numerous times from OGRES and BARBARIANS players on my server that I made poor choice  with a Human / GUARDIAN  combo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand andi am fully aware that player skill, knowledge and EQUIPMENT its what makes the difference, but I was just curious to see what would be diference between a level 50 Ogre V/S Barbarian V/S Human with their own traits.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank everyone who contributed to this post</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just show them up : ), they prob just got useta eq syndrom (where they assume the things are like they were)</DIV>

[AshNebus]

<P><FONT size=2>I don't know when the increase in stats occured. Might all have been at lvl 3 choosing Fighter, I doubt that tho.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>When you roll a Barbarian, you get these stats:</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Str: 25</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Agi: 20</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Sta: 25</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Int: 12</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Wis: 18</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>I now have these <U>base</U> stats. That means no green numbers from traits and such:</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Str: 40</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Agi: 28</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Sta: 32</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Int: 12</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Wis: 18</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>Means I have gained 15str 8agi and 7sta on my way to level 50 as Barbarian berseker.</FONT></P>

[Rolsda]

<P>Humans also get the +5 defense that barbs orges and dwarfs get :p</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Frostborne]

<span><blockquote><hr>Zodian wrote:<div></div> <div>The reason I ask such a crazy question is because I have heard in numerous times from OGRES and BARBARIANS players on my server that I made poor choice  with a Human / GUARDIAN  combo.</div> <div> </div> <div>I understand andi am fully aware that player skill, knowledge and EQUIPMENT its what makes the difference, but I was just curious to see what would be diference between a level 50 Ogre V/S Barbarian V/S Human with their own traits.</div> <div> </div> <div>Thank everyone who contributed to this post</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote> I don't think in the long run it realy matters all that much.  The races aren't absurdly better than another like alot of games (Anarchy Online for instance).  Even in a game like that it was "doable", though you might not be able to get some of the higher level spells.  That being said, that isn't an issue with this game.  I really think they've minimalized the whole "which trait should I choose" as being an none issue in this game.  Cause when you think about it, even if you made a mistake and took something like INT, that's not necessarily a bad thing considering that is where your elemental resists/magic resists derive from.  What I think would change the face of races is if they gave you "more" stat points.  Like say every 5 levels, which would allow for more customization of a character, rather than just flavoring it.</span><div></div>

[Rolsda]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zodian wrote:<BR> <DIV>The reason I ask such a crazy question is because I have heard in numerous times from OGRES and BARBARIANS players on my server that I made poor choice  with a Human / GUARDIAN  combo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand andi am fully aware that player skill, knowledge and EQUIPMENT its what makes the difference, but I was just curious to see what would be diference between a level 50 Ogre V/S Barbarian V/S Human with their own traits.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank everyone who contributed to this post</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ignore them, becuase they are talking out their [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] tbh, the only difference is a few points of stamina, which makes little difference when  in raids with buffs etc.</P> <P>Its the same old stuff they were spouting in eq1, till stat caps came in.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Mig]

When wisdom and Intelligence starts coming into play to help avoid spell damage, I think many might question their choice of barb/ogre. But just look at who is ruling the world right now. Evil or Good, humans are in charge.

[Dart]

<DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>The important thing to remember is that +5 to defense equates to one game level. So a level 50 barb Guardian has the defense of a level 51 Guardian (raw unbuffed). On the flip side, my understanding is that Mobs specials total bypass defense. So in essence they do have a slight advantage in the min/max world of EQ2. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>That does NOT mean you are gimped in any way, you get your specials for your particular race. Only ONE thing is certain in EQ2, and that is Things will change over time, this game will evolve. So today it might be a great choice to be ogre or Barb, but who knows 6 months, a year or two years from now.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>Important thing is you are happy with your selection and don't regret it or look back to second guess yourself.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>Now go out and show em who's boss :p</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>The more and more I tank at level 50 Im starting to realize the importance of magic/elemental/mental ect... resists.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>

[Rolsda]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darton wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><STRONG>So a level 50 barb Guardian has the defense of a level 51 Guardian (raw unbuffed)</STRONG>. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><STRONG>That does NOT mean you are gimped in any way, you get your specials for your particular race</STRONG>.  <STRONG>So today it might be a great choice to be ogre or Barb, but who knows 6 months, a year or two years from now.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>Important thing is you are happy with your selection and don't regret it or look back to second guess yourself.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>Now go out and show em who's boss :p</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>The more and more I tank at level 50 Im starting to realize the importance of magic/elemental/mental ect... resists.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Humans, Ogres, Barbs, Dwarfs all get the similar options in defense traits to choose.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If 1 person from each race chooses all the defense traits available to them from 1-50, they will all have the EXACT same defense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Sir_Halbarad]

I don't think a race makes or breaks a class. Sure there are differences, but those are for the number crunchers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Anyway, here are my nekkid stats. Lvl 50 Barbarian Guardian - Naked and unbuffed Stats HP: 3233 Pow: 1117 Avoidance: 45.2% STR 45 AGI 28 STA 44 INT 12 WIS 18 Resists: Cold: 350 Disease: 300 Divine: 150 Heat: 200 Magic: 150 Mental: 0 Poison: 300 <div></div>

[M1A2Tankage]

<P>Interesting enough, </P> <P>There are a ton of us trolls as guardian's on RE.  Anyone have displayable stats?  At work now so can't provide them.  Funny how though, no one ever talks of Troll guardians.</P>

[Dart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rolsdar2 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darton wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><STRONG>So a level 50 barb Guardian has the defense of a level 51 Guardian (raw unbuffed)</STRONG>. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><STRONG>That does NOT mean you are gimped in any way, you get your specials for your particular race</STRONG>.  <STRONG>So today it might be a great choice to be ogre or Barb, but who knows 6 months, a year or two years from now.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>Important thing is you are happy with your selection and don't regret it or look back to second guess yourself.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>Now go out and show em who's boss :p</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>The more and more I tank at level 50 Im starting to realize the importance of magic/elemental/mental ect... resists.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Humans, Ogres, Barbs, Dwarfs all get the similar options in defense traits to choose.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If 1 person from each race chooses all the defense traits available to them from 1-50, they will all have the EXACT same defense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We are talking racial traits, not Guardian traits is my understanding. So no, an   elf will not have the same def as a Barb/Ogr/dwarf at 50 if they all make the same (class) trait choices up and to 50. Am I wrong? Dont humans have something different than a +5 racial trait to def?

[Rolsda]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darton wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rolsdar2 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darton wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><STRONG>So a level 50 barb Guardian has the defense of a level 51 Guardian (raw unbuffed)</STRONG>. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><STRONG>That does NOT mean you are gimped in any way, you get your specials for your particular race</STRONG>.  <STRONG>So today it might be a great choice to be ogre or Barb, but who knows 6 months, a year or two years from now.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>Important thing is you are happy with your selection and don't regret it or look back to second guess yourself.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>Now go out and show em who's boss :p</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=207504722-09062005><SPAN class=207504722-09062005>The more and more I tank at level 50 Im starting to realize the importance of magic/elemental/mental ect... resists.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Humans, Ogres, Barbs, Dwarfs all get the similar options in defense traits to choose.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If 1 person from each race chooses all the defense traits available to them from 1-50, they will all have the EXACT same defense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We are talking racial traits, not Guardian traits is my understanding. So no, an   elf will not have the same def as a Barb/Ogr/dwarf at 50 if they all make the same (class) trait choices up and to 50. Am I wrong? Dont humans have something different than a +5 racial trait to def? <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I didnt say anything about an any other race than humans, barb, orge dwarf.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yes you are wrong humans get the + def racial trait.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Dart]

Nice tone in your message <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=34406" target=_blank><SPAN>Rolsdar2</SPAN></A> , having  a bad day?

[Rolsda]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darton wrote:<BR> Nice tone in your message <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=34406" target=_blank><SPAN>Rolsdar2</SPAN></A> , having  a bad day?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>My message wasnt intended to come across with a negative tone, if it came across that way then please accept my apologies.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Rolsdar2 on <SPAN class=date_text>06-11-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:50 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Rolsdar2 on <span class=date_text>06-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:58 AM</span>

[Old_Ha]

<DIV>the +5 def is nice as an ogre or barbarian, but its not going to [Removed for Content] you, if you play as another race.  </DIV>

[Tula]

Well just to add my two sense I play a lvl 50 albino erudite guardian. Not only have I focused entirely on resists but I made my racial selection based on this as well. After the new wis/int changes I will only gain more of an advantage in this often overlooked area. With long parse data for quite a few months I have found that spell damage taken vs melee damage taken for times parse times of no less then a week are almost 5 to 1. With raid buffs I have no problem tanking any mob I have seen. My average base unbuffed resists are at least a couple hundred higher then a similarly equipped guardian of the same lvl. Being as most of the racial bonuses are actually percentage increase this will only increase my bonus as I level and continue to obtain better gear. My strength is probably my lowest stat, wisdom and stamina are almost tied for the highest. I get people that laugh at the sight of an erudite tank all the time only to see that I'm not one shot by that nil distortion mob that just ate the Ogre. I believe there is many ways to play and im glad i have the opportunity to be a bit different and unique. I believe that you can take any race and play any class with them with little or no penalty. It more is a function of wise selection of traits and how you play that make the most difference. I also strongly believe that gear doesnt mean all that much in this game. You gain plus or minus maybe 10 pct with gear selection. Spells on the other hand are vital to your success, guardians are truely the best buffers in the game in my opinion. Find another class that can add 2500 hp to self and add say 1500plus to everyone else while raising the effective tanking level of the whole group by say 6+ levels. Sure my dps sucks, 100dps works for me thou. Wow this got off topic . Chalk the Chosen Blackburrow <div></div>

[Tula]

<div></div><div></div> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Tulach on <span class=date_text>06-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:11 PM</span>

[Zodi]

<P>Tulash:</P> <P> Thank you very muchfor your post. </P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>" Not only have I focused entirely on resists but I made my racial selection based on this as well. After the new wis/int changes I will only gain more of an advantage in this often overlooked area. With long parse data for quite a few months I have found that spell damage taken vs melee damage taken for times parse times of no less then a week are almost 5 to 1."</FONT></P> <P>I think this is awesome because it will bringmore variety of tanks in the game making each race more suitable for each type of player. For example if you want to focus on HPS go Ogre or Dwarf. If you want to focus on resitances then this is when the games get fun since Half-elf, erudites and others races offer better resistances on their racial traits. This in my opinion makes the game even better.</P> <P> </P> <P>I hope this mod becomes official anytime soon. </P> <P>Thanos Warrath!</P>