New Guardian seeks advice

[Kroder]

<DIV>I am not high enough to be called a guardian yet, with this alt.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am wanting to know what to expect for him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some people thought I was silly to make a guardian, saying a berserker would be an overall better character, while still having all the important defensive abilities I would ever need.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have trouble thinking a guardian could be so without merit, and I would like to have some opinions with experience fill me in.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Raahl]

<P>Looking at the combat changes coming down the pike here's a very basic comparison.</P> <P><FONT color=#3333ff>Guardians Tank Above Average, Guardians DPS Below Average</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#3333ff>Beserkers Tank Average, Beserkers DPS Average</FONT></P> <P>Now if you tweaked your Beserker for tanking: He'd be a better tank, but his DPS might suffer.</P> <P>I guess we will have to see what happens when these changes take effect.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Arsen]

Beserkers are better all around characters.  Guardians are more specialized to be defensive tanks.  That certainly has some merit in some situations but it really depends on you as to which character will be best for you.<div></div>

[Kroder]

<DIV>I am interested in being the best defensive tank.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I want DPS, I'll play my caster. He's pretty good at that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I want to play the character class that is best at tanking.  I would expect this to be a guardian.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Shizzirri]

Nah guard's can get some good DPS if you land your ho's right look at the top ranks for overall damage and you'll be surprised at who's on top, was a couple guards a while back

[Kroder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shizzirri wrote:<BR> Nah guard's can get some good DPS if you land your ho's right look at the top ranks for overall damage and you'll be surprised at who's on top, was a couple guards a while back<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thats awesome!</P> <P> </P> <P>So, a properly equipped Guardian is the ultimate tank, then, and possibly not too shabby on dps either.... good to know.</P> <P> </P>

[Raahl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shizzirri wrote:<BR> Nah guard's can get some good DPS if you land your ho's right look at the top ranks for overall damage and you'll be surprised at who's on top, was a couple guards a while back<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>With the up coming changes, this might be different.  So I wouldn't count on it.  :smileyhappy:  </P> <P>The only thing we know is that guardians will be able to tank.  :smileywink:</P>

[Oakwood]

I think we were on top because of the ability that lets us hit ourselves for 15k damage.  It throws off the statistics but is not really a usefull measure of DPS, since it only hits ourselves.

[Arsen]

<span><blockquote><hr>Oakwood wrote:<div></div>I think we were on top because of the ability that lets us hit ourselves for 15k damage.  It throws off the statistics but is not really a usefull measure of DPS, since it only hits ourselves.<hr></blockquote> Lol, yup - those huge hits are not done on monsters! Guardians compete with Paladins for the low DPS rank of the fighters.  And if for some reason thats not the way it is now, it certainly will be after the fighter DPS nerfs that are coming sometime in the next few weeks.</span><div></div>

[Raahl]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakwood wrote:<BR> I think we were on top because of the ability that lets us hit ourselves for 15k damage.  It throws off the statistics but is not really a usefull measure of DPS, since it only hits ourselves.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We can hit ourselves?  What skill is that and what level do I get it?  I was wondering how we got those 15k hits.  I always thought it was some 3-4 person HO. 

[Rorrak]

<P>It's Unyielding Will, the adventure pack skill.  It puts you on the verge of death for a bit, with a small heal, then when it's timer expires it does huge damage to yourself.  The more HP you have and the higher the level of the skill the more damage it does to yourself, up to 15k.  Guardians are not even close to the top of any legitimate damage ranking.  Those hits shouldn't be included.</P> <DIV>- Rorrak</DIV>

[Raahl]

<DIV>Thanks Rorrak</DIV>

[sjaste]

<div></div>What is the upside to this skill? I don't see much use in hitting yourself for !15k! as far as I know no one in the game can take that. <p>Message Edited by sjastein on <span class=date_text>05-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:39 PM</span>

[Aren]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lol, yup - those huge hits are not done on monsters!<BR><BR>Guardians compete with Paladins for the low DPS rank of the fighters.  And if for some reason thats not the way it is now, it certainly will be after the fighter DPS nerfs that are coming sometime in the next few weeks.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I dunno about you guys, but our guild's paladin is consistently one of the top melee DPS in any fight. The Wizards and Warlocks usually beat him, but only the Bruiser can consistently out DPS our Paladin in a raid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've also done some parses agaisn't the assassins and brigands, and found that 50% of the time I am within 10dps when not tanking and using dps weapons and arts, and this is with me posting the parses so they won't drag thier [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. </DIV>

[Oakwood]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sjastein wrote:<BR> What is the upside to this skill? I don't see much use in hitting yourself for !15k! as far as I know no one in the game can take that.<BR><BR> <P>Message Edited by sjastein on <SPAN class=date_text>05-05-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:39 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you have the buff up, and get knocked down to zero hp, it heals you instead of you dying.  Then, a few monents later, it follows up with the tactical nuclear seppuku.  The upside is it lets you fight a few moments after you should have died.  You are still going to die, but you get a chance to fight on a bit, hopefully long enough to take the bastich with you.

[Luehma]

Ok, so I've got Bloodlines. How / where do I go about getting Unyielding Will? Are there any other Bloodlines spells, as a Guardian, I should know about?

[SheetMonk]

I think you receive it once you finish the quest in Bloodlines.  Every class receives a spell/ability upon completing the Bloodlines story line.  Start by examining the free ring you get with Bloodlines that should get you started.

[SheetMonk]

<p>Message Edited by SheetMonk on <span class=date_text>06-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:55 AM</span>