WeaponChoice since big patch(Proc rate works same as Old EQ1?)

[Araki]

There is a lot of weapon choice since last big patch. What is your favorite weapon set up for normal xp situation? Why I ask this is when I grouped with Wizard and Assasin,I often have problem about holding aggro.As described often in this forum,If I use every aggro arts on enemy,there is no aggro problem with slow pull. But when I chain pull xp mob fast,my pow dry up real quick even with T5 drink and spamming mana stone. My every taunt arts and short buff are adept3. So I want to refine my aggro from normal weapon swing. Currently my weapon set up is Hiero Crook for Group Mob EBBC for ^ x 2 and ^^ Mob ebon spear + imbued cedar tower for boss or tough fight What I'm thinking is -Imbued ebon DW Pros:More Proc Cons:More Riposte I take,and small riposte dmg I give to enemy. -Imbued ebon 2H Pros:Less Riposte I take,and higher riposte I give to enemy. Cons:Less proc From following URL,every ebon made weapon seems have same DPS. http://www.eversor.com/public/ws/t5rare.html Proc rate works same with old EQ1?(2proc per min) If yes,there is no mean to chose faster delay weapon over slow weaon. But weapon proc description is "5% chance for proc..",but there is no description such like"1proc per min...". Anyone confirmed proc rate?

[Chanliang]

What comes to proc rate it should be that everytime you hit/or get hit you'll have certain percentage to proc which is usually 5%. So dw seems to be very good option for easier fights for more procs. But in tough fights additional 5% proc chance for off hand wep ain't better than 1h+shield. <div></div>

[Death4]

I can't remember where I saw it, but DW, 1hd, and 2hd proc all the same.  A single DW item has 50% the chance to proc a 1hd does, but coupled with another DW item they reach the same proc rate.  Where as a 2hd has twice the proc rate, giving it equal procs vs. swing speed of DW and 1hd.

[pohs]

<DIV>Proc % does work like old EQ proc %.   Faster weapons proc less often per hit, slower weapons proc more often per hit.   Weapon delay is not a factor procs over time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tested with identical poison procs on scout using variety of weapons.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The percentage listed in the examine window is kinda sketchy because it stays the same while actual percentage is dependant on weapon delay.   </DIV><p>Message Edited by pohsyb on <span class=date_text>03-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:59 PM</span>

[Araki]

Thanks info guys. I feel same things with you guys because my hiero really often procced. And I heard Assasin who use poison with bow procced really frequently. So overall, 2H seems to be what tank should use for DPS and Aggro. I just gonna stick with my Hiero and EBBC till more imbue recipe in game at BigPatch #6. Thanks!

[Sarel]

<P>Your riposte damage done to mobs is totally independant of your weaponry. Riposting is not a free swing like it was in EQ1. It is a special attack on it's own table. You could wield your newbie dagger, your EBBC or whatever you want and you'd still do about 200 damage on a riposte at level 50.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[ThramFalc]

<P>Currently I use PGT and SBD for normal exping.  The PGT is hands down the best weapon in the game unless you are fighting some high level raid mob that it won't work on.  With procs going off like mad now I actually can gain power in most fights with the PGT.  This means more specials (more dps) and more taunts (more agro).  The damage rating on the PGT isn't very nice but the proc (adds str too) more than makes up for this.  Guardians aren't about damage anyways.  I may swap an imbued cedar cudgel (same proc as ebon but cheaper) for the SBD but then I would lose some hps (SBD has sta) and again Guardians aren't about damage so I might stick with SBD.</P> <P>For raid mobs and other situations where I am taking good amounts of damge I'll swap in my Runed Ebon Sceptre and Aegis of Alacrity.  Its tough though because I am used to the constant influx of power from the PGT so I do this as little as possible.  As soon as I get the Screaming Mace I will test my ability to hold agro with it.  Every proc has a 250 deagro but over 300 power gain.  If I can effectively convert that power gain to agro quickly I am thinking it may be useful for all but the toughest raid mobs (won't take chances losing agro on them).</P> <P>I haven't really found a situation where I would use my EBBC of Crook over these two setups.</P>

[Raahl]

<P>I'm using a pristine imbued steel longsword (Yea I'm still a lowbie).</P> <P>It's a very nice weapon and it Procs often enough to make a difference.  At 24 it procs for 66-123 points of damage.</P> <P>Now all I need to do is find some fir and have a nice shield imbued!</P>

[Araki]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sarelin wrote:<div></div> <p>Your riposte damage done to mobs is totally independant of your weaponry. Riposting is not a free swing like it was in EQ1. It is a special attack on it's own table. You could wield your newbie dagger, your EBBC or whatever you want and you'd still do about 200 damage on a riposte at level 50.</p> <hr></blockquote>oh,didn't notice that. thanks advice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[Araki]

<span><blockquote><hr>ThramFalcox wrote:<p>Currently I use PGT and SBD for normal exping.  The PGT is hands down the best weapon in the game unless you are fighting some high level raid mob that it won't work on.  With procs going off like mad now I actually can gain power in most fights with the PGT.  This means more specials (more dps) and more taunts (more agro).  The damage rating on the PGT isn't very nice but the proc (adds str too) more than makes up for this.  Guardians aren't about damage anyways.  I may swap an imbued cedar cudgel (same proc as ebon but cheaper) for the SBD but then I would lose some hps (SBD has sta) and again Guardians aren't about damage so I might stick with SBD.</p> <p>For raid mobs and other situations where I am taking good amounts of damge I'll swap in my Runed Ebon Sceptre and Aegis of Alacrity.  Its tough though because I am used to the constant influx of power from the PGT so I do this as little as possible.  As soon as I get the Screaming Mace I will test my ability to hold agro with it.  Every proc has a 250 deagro but over 300 power gain.  If I can effectively convert that power gain to agro quickly I am thinking it may be useful for all but the toughest raid mobs (won't take chances losing agro on them).</p> <p>I haven't really found a situation where I would use my EBBC of Crook over these two setups.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote></span>Yeah,I used PGT for a while.but mana regen seems not increaced significantly. Just wondering if aggro from PGT Proc Mana (=several arts) > DPSaggro  with imbued ebon or cedar. Btw you use SBD on your primary hand right? I thought weapon cons affect arts effect. When DW, only primary weapon cons affect arts dmg?or average of both?

[Oakwood]

<DIV>the "less speed = more procs" thing has not changed since eq1.  It is why you needed a shaman to /dual you in eq1 when shaker-baking.  They would slow you down by some insane amount (90% or 95% i think), and every hit would be a proc.  With the rampage ability and an earthshaker, you got an AoE attack that did 246 damage times the number of mobs to each mob in the area.  Have a bard pull all of fungus grove onto the warrior, he hits area taunt then rampage.  about 80ish mobs on the warrior each take 20k damage in a single shot.  DING 2AA points.  rinse/repaet once zone repops and rampage refreshes</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[AsheM]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakwood wrote:<BR> <DIV>It is why you needed a shaman to /dual you in eq1 when shaker-baking.  They would slow you down by some insane amount (90% or 95% i think), and every hit would be a proc.<BR></DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ _________________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We Shaman only had a 75% slow. :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ThramFalc]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Araking wrote:</P> <P>Yeah,I used PGT for a while.but mana regen seems not increaced significantly.<BR>Just wondering if aggro from PGT Proc Mana (=several arts) > DPSaggro  with imbued ebon or cedar.<BR><BR>Btw you use SBD on your primary hand right?<BR>I thought weapon cons affect arts effect.<BR>When DW, only primary weapon cons affect arts dmg?or average of both?<BR><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>PGT mana regen is huge now.  Try it out again.  It grants over 200 power every few seconds. I can hold agro either way but with many fights lasting well over 10 minutes the mana boost from the PGT is a must.  I can be full power after a half hour of holding agro.  Over the long run PGT will mean a lot more agro since our DPS isn't great anyways.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I use PGT in primary because it is faster.  If you use the faster weapon in your offhand you will lose swings.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have no idea what affects the damage from arts but I don't notice a difference when swapping weapons.  I think low con weapons only hinder you on a few specific epic fights... ones I have not yet found.</DIV>

[Oakwood]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AsheMan wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>We Shaman only had a 75% slow. :smileytongue:</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I think they also used an item that slowed and stacked with shaman slow.  I could never afford an earthshaker on my warrior, but I knew people who used the tactic.  Apparently it also worked really well in PoF, but you needed 3 warriors shaking to output enough damage for the instant zone clear.</DIV>