Guardian Trainings: 10- 40

[Sunth]

<DIV> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG>Warrior (Level 10)</STRONG></FONT></P> <UL> <LI>Braksan's Vicious Swing - An advanced form of Wild Swing. As a bonus to Wild Swing it deals increased damage.  <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>15.6 - Forced Swing </FONT></LI> <LI>Uthros' Defiant Cry - An advanced form of Call to Arms. As a bonus to Call to Arms it grants spell avoidance. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>23 - Guardian’s Call</FONT></LI> <LI>Saren's Crushing Blow - An advanced form of Kick. As a bonus to Kick it interrupts casting. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>19.6 - Knee Break </FONT></LI> <LI>Taron's Bleeding Blades - An advanced form of Assault. As a bonus to Assault it deals slashing damage over time. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>21.6 - Bury</FONT></LI></UL> <DIV><STRONG>Guardian (Level 20)</STRONG></DIV> <UL> <LI>Slate's Protective Stance - An advanced form of Soldier's Stance. As a bonus to Soldier's Stance it has a lesser attack technique penalty. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffff00><FONT color=#ffffff>44.4 - Fortified Stance </FONT>?</FONT></LI> <LI>Braksan's Crippling Slam - An advanced form of Shield Bash. As a bonus to Shield Bash it has a longer duration. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>27 - Bull Rush </FONT></LI> <LI>Briteblade's Thunderous Crash - An advanced form of Concussion. As a bonus to Concussion it has increased power depletion. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: 3</FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>1.6 - Batter </FONT></LI> <LI>Kisa's Ruinous Blast - An advanced form of Mangle. As a bonus to Mangle it decreases agility. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>25.6 - Ruin </FONT></SPAN><B><SPAN><FONT color=#000000>rdian (Level 30)</FONT></SPAN></B></LI></UL> <P><SPAN><STRONG>Guardian (Level 30)</STRONG></SPAN></P> <UL> <LI><SPAN>Seloxia's Daunting Cry - An advanced form of Shouting Cry. As a bonus to Shouting Cry it lowers attack speed. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT>36 - Smothering Cry </SPAN></LI> <LI><SPAN>Briteblade's Command - An advanced form of Call of Command. As a bonus to Call of Command it increases stamina. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>??</FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#ffff00> </FONT></LI> <LI><SPAN>Anrey's Precise Strike - An advanced form of True Strike. As a bonus to True Strike it posesses increased damage. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>40.8 - Unerring Strike </FONT></SPAN></LI> <LI><SPAN>Slate's Invigorating Threat - An advanced form of Taunting Challenge. As a bonus to Taunting Challenge it increases the guardian's attack speed. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>?</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL> <P><SPAN> </SPAN><B><SPAN>Guardian (Level 40)</SPAN></B></P> <UL> <LI><SPAN>Slate's Steely Resolve - An advanced form of Iron Will. As a bonus to Iron Will it increases strength.</SPAN> <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>46 - Iron Convicetion</FONT></LI> <LI><SPAN>Braksan's Desperate Rally - An advanced form of Do or Die. As a bonus to Do or Die it increases mitigation versus crushing attacks.</SPAN></LI> <LI><SPAN>Kisa's Devastating Rush - An advanced form of Topple. As a bonus to Topple it inflicts additional damage.</SPAN> </LI> <LI><SPAN>Briteblade's Watchful Guard - An advanced form of Safe Guard. As a bonus to Safe Guard it allows the guardian to take less damage. </SPAN></LI></UL><SPAN> <P></P> <HR> <P></P> <P>Someone else probably posted these already, I was thinking the other good thing to know is when these abilities get upgraded naturally rather than by the trainings. Let me know if any info should be added or fixed.</P></SPAN></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Sunthas on <SPAN class=date_text>02-12-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:25 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Sunthas on <SPAN class=date_text>02-13-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:30 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Sunthas on <span class=date_text>02-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:30 AM</span>

[TunaBoo]

Slate's Invigorating Threat - An advanced form of Taunting Challenge. As a bonus to Taunting Challenge it increases the guardian's attack speed. Replaced By: ?False, its a totally seperate attack on a seperate timer. Never replaced. Good till 50 Id imagine.

[Sunth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TunaBoo wrote:<BR>Slate's Invigorating Threat - An advanced form of Taunting Challenge. As a bonus to Taunting Challenge it increases the guardian's attack speed. Replaced By: ?<BR><BR>False, its a totally seperate attack on a seperate timer. Never replaced. Good till 50 Id imagine.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>If this is true that kicks [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot], unforunately it will probably be fixed.</DIV>

[TunaBoo]

Nope, it says an EXTRA attack in the desciption.

[Sunth]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TunaBoo wrote:<BR>Nope, it says an EXTRA attack in the desciption.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Ah its a bug? Taunting Blow is an extra attack, as are most of our special attacks, Tauning Challenge is not on the same refresh timer as Taunting Blow and neither is this, I suspect none of the taunting attacks are on the same refresh timer?</DIV>

[TunaBoo]

NAh look at all the other attacks. None said extra. This one did. It is EXTRA on top of taunting blow.

[Sunth]

<DIV>About to turn 30, which training should I get? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[WarShe]

<DIV> <DIV>Strange that Uthros' Defiant Cry  and  Call to Arms buff icons will stack I have noticed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They do share the same timer but after casting Uthros about 15 or some odd seconds later you can cast Call to Arms and the icons atleast stack, I will have to check to see if it actualy adds any thing to stats or what not or if it is a bug though, any one know for sure?</DIV></DIV>

[Fels]

No, they do not stack the bonuses. You still just get +2 Piercing, Slashing, Crushing, and the +2 Spell Avoidance from the training skill. I was also hoping it would be more like the Mage 10 buffs, that stacked with what they supposedly upgraded. But that is not the case.

[Wulfe]

<DIV>What should almost lv40 guardian choose then?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wulfeen</DIV>

[Napolle]

ima bout to turn 30.. what should i pick? im leaning towards the shouting cry group aoe taun thign...

[Napolle]

BTW- i got adept III shouting Cry ADN taunting challenge so whats gonna be the best bet for me???thans a bunch

[Napolle]

bump- anyone got ideas on this>?

[Sunth]

<DIV>Why would you choose the shouting cry training if you already got adept3 in it?</DIV>

[Napolle]

i got adept III taunting challenge too.. im just wondering if its more effective or whatnot-- some people say the slwo effect is great and helps alot. thats all im asking

[Sarelin-SeisB]

<DIV>At level 30 Seloxia's Daunting Cry is the only choice as far as I'm concerned due to the fact that our Smothering Cry doesn't work on most boss mobs - they are immune to stifle. If you don't take it you're reduced to using a very low level ae taunt on raids and other bosses for a long long time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not sure what I'm going to take at 40 though - which I should get tomorrow. We get an upgrade to Iron Will at 42, Our new Do or Die I think is at 47, Topple is eyecandy althought it doesn't get replaced untl 49 and Safeguard is something I use very rarely. If I lose aggro someone did something wrong lol. We get an upgrade to that at 48. Given that it mitigates the damage absorbed it might be useful. I'm erring towards <SPAN>Braksan's Desperate Rally  though. </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN>Any thoughts from higher level guardians?</SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jesper]

<blockquote><hr>Sarelin-SeisBua wrote:<DIV>At level 30 Seloxia's Daunting Cry is the only choice as far as I'm concerned due to the fact that our Smothering Cry doesn't work on most boss mobs - they are immune to stifle. If you don't take it you're reduced to using a very low level ae taunt on raids and other bosses for a long long time.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Not sure what I'm going to take at 40 though - which I should get tomorrow. We get an upgrade to Iron Will at 42, Our new Do or Die I think is at 47, Topple is eyecandy althought it doesn't get replaced untl 49 and Safeguard is something I use very rarely. If I lose aggro someone did something wrong lol. We get an upgrade to that at 48. Given that it mitigates the damage absorbed it might be useful. I'm erring towards <SPAN>Braksan's Desperate Rally though. </SPAN></DIV><DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><DIV><SPAN>Any thoughts from higher level guardians?</SPAN></DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>Im not level 40 just yet but I am leaning towardsSlate's Steely Resolve - An advanced form of Iron Will. As a bonus to Iron Will it increases strength. It increases strenght which is unique. Strength gives us power and strenght also have an influence on our melee damage.Dont know about stacking issues but this one is a winner in my book.Granbar

[Noah]

<DIV>At 40th don't make mistake I did by getting Slate's (replaces Iron Conviction).  Desperate Rally adds way more hps and boosts your resistance to Crush / Pierce and Slash.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TunaBoo]

Do or die upgrade is the best there, you can use it at 40.

[Sunth]

<DIV>I got Seloxia's Daunting Cry but I think I wanted the one that matched Taunting Challenge, either way I think I'm happy with my choice. </DIV>

[ColdBr]

<DIV>Slate's Protective Stance, now that we can see what spells are doing. It increases parry and defense by 7 each and seems to have no negative effects! I guess it is bugged but will be much more useful now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On an off topic note, Desperate Flurry at app 1 listed 20% haste. When upgraded to app 4 it changes to 3%! So either it is a misprint or bugged or both. I don't think I would upgrade it until it is fixed.</DIV>

[Sunth]

<DIV>The descriptions are wrong. Moorgard has a post that says so.</DIV> <DIV><BR>What what the spell actually does to your skills. I don't have slates, so it might not have a negative component, but with our other buffs lasting 15 minutes now, slates is a waste.</DIV>

[Jesper]

<blockquote><hr>ColdBrew wrote:<DIV>Slate's Protective Stance, now that we can see what spells are doing. It increases parry and defense by 7 each and seems to have no negative effects! I guess it is bugged but will be much more useful now.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>On an off topic note, Desperate Flurry at app 1 listed 20% haste. When upgraded to app 4 it changes to 3%! So either it is a misprint or bugged or both. I don't think I would upgrade it until it is fixed.</DIV><hr></blockquote>AppIII is 31% haste probably a bug.

[ColdBr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sunthas wrote:<BR> <DIV>The descriptions are wrong. Moorgard has a post that says so.</DIV> <DIV><BR>What what the spell actually does to your skills. I don't have slates, so it might not have a negative component, but with our other buffs lasting 15 minutes now, slates is a waste.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What makes slates a waste again? What 15 minute buffs do we have? I don't have any at level 31. Mine are either 3 minutes or 10 minutes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Where is that post the Moorgard mentions the haste spell has the wrong discription and isn't bugged?</DIV>

[ThramFalc]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ColdBrew wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sunthas wrote:<BR> <DIV>The descriptions are wrong. Moorgard has a post that says so.</DIV> <DIV><BR>What what the spell actually does to your skills. I don't have slates, so it might not have a negative component, but with our other buffs lasting 15 minutes now, slates is a waste.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What makes slates a waste again? What 15 minute buffs do we have? I don't have any at level 31. Mine are either 3 minutes or 10 minutes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Where is that post the Moorgard mentions the haste spell has the wrong discription and isn't bugged?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He says Slates is useless because the defense component does not stack with our 10 minute defense buff lines which are far superior.  However, if it does indeed buff parry by 7 then that may make it worthwhile.  I think Call to Battle only buffs parry by 5 so that extra 2 may be worth it to someone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The defense component is useless tho.  At 31 you should have Call of Command adept 1 or better up all the time and it will override.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Haven't seen moorgard comment on the haste description.  </DIV><p>Message Edited by ThramFalcox on <span class=date_text>02-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:57 AM</span>

[ColdBr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ThramFalcox wrote:<BR> <BR> <DIV>He says Slates is useless because the defense component does not stack with our 10 minute defense buff lines which are far superior.  However, if it does indeed buff parry by 7 then that may make it worthwhile.  I think Call to Battle only buffs parry by 5 so that extra 2 may be worth it to someone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The defense component is useless tho.  At 31 you should have Call of Command adept 1 or better up all the time and it will override.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Haven't seen moorgard comment on the haste description.  </DIV> <P>Message Edited by ThramFalcox on <SPAN class=date_text>02-21-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:57 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I was not aware that Slates did not stack with other buffs. Thanks for the information. I still have a reset waiting and will keep that in mind when making my new selections.</DIV>

[Obmarbe]

dig in stacks with do or dieare you sure slates doesnt stack?

[ColdBr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Obmarbeta wrote:<BR>dig in stacks with do or die<BR><BR>are you sure slates doesnt stack?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I check it and they do not stack. So with your normal 10 minute buffs slates is really only worth +5 to parry. That is still pretty useful but not nearly as good as I thought it was...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the info guys!</DIV>

[ThramFalc]

<DIV>Dig In stacks with do or die but not with Call of Protection (or command) and the Call line is the best we get.  Dig In/ Fort Stance etc are pretty lame.</DIV>

[Obmarbe]

TrueI use call all the time - dig in is relatively useless

[RigorreEQ]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sunthas wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff><STRONG>Warrior (Level 10)</STRONG></FONT></P> <UL> <LI>Taron's Bleeding Blades - An advanced form of Assault. As a bonus to Assault it deals slashing damage over time. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>21.6 - Bury</FONT></LI></UL> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>I can confirm that this hits multiple encounters, as opposed to Bury that only hits one encounter.  It is probably a bug on the part of Bury which may get fixed at some point in the future, but right now, this makes aggro on multiple encounters a huge benefit.  I saw immediate positive affect with this ability.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Guardian (Level 20)</STRONG></DIV> <UL> <LI>Briteblade's Thunderous Crash - An advanced form of Concussion. As a bonus to Concussion it has increased power depletion. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: 3</FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>1.6 - Batter </FONT><FONT color=#000000><STRONG>rdian (Level 30)</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></LI></UL> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ff0000>I just chose this one for the increased power depletion.  After watching guildies do a couple of high level raid mobs this weekend, I noticed that getting a raid mob to zero power made him much less formidable.  I don't have numbers to back up my reasoning ...maybe this was a bad choice ...*shrug*</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><STRONG>Guardian (Level 30)</STRONG></SPAN></P> <UL> <LI><SPAN>Slate's Invigorating Threat - An advanced form of Taunting Challenge. As a bonus to Taunting Challenge it increases the guardian's attack speed. <FONT color=#66ff00>Replaced By: </FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>?</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ff0000>I chose this one for the increased attack speed ...selfishly ...as, right now, my primary group generally consists of myself and my wife (mystic) and a friend (monk).  I'd guess Seloxia's Daunting Cry would be a hands down better choice overall for those interested in aggro management ...unless you have the Adept III to Shouting Cry as I intend to get?.  (I never did find an answer to whether Seloxia's worked like Shouting Cry on raid mobs either.)</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN><B><SPAN>Guardian (Level 40)</SPAN></B></P> <UL> <LI><SPAN>Briteblade's Watchful Guard - An advanced form of Safe Guard. As a bonus to Safe Guard it allows the guardian to take less damage.</SPAN></LI></UL><SPAN> <P></P> <DIV>At 40, I'll most likely go with this training.</DIV> <DIV></SPAN> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>At level 33, I /respec'd this weekend, and chose the trainings above.</P> <P>I'm not really a numbers kind of guy ...I don't run everything under a microprocessor and figure that spell A does .0048% more aggro efficiency than spell B.  I just chose trainings I thought would be helpful to me based on my experiences and goals.</P> <P>Your mileage may vary.<BR></P>

[Aandien]

<DIV>get <SPAN>Braksan's Desperate Rally  at level 40.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN>At a minimum the HP bonus of this line all stack.  And now that they are all on 10 minute timers, its easy to keep the entire line up.</SPAN></DIV>

[Obmarbe]

what about the lvl 40 that buffs str? +19 str is pretty niceI never use safeguard (ok rarely i do)

[tsaav]

considering the massive str buffs you can get from templars/etc i wouldn't worry about strength at all.