Guardians should be the best soloers in the game

[NinjaGangs]

<DIV>Because we're THE WORST CLASS in groups right now, our class is 100% eclipsed by Zerkers. It's hard to find a group of non-noobs right now with a Guardian because everyone who reads the boards or is in a guild has heard the truth that Guardian is a gimped class. They won't group with us, they wait to find a Zerker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Soloing green-blue mobs gives us LESS exp than we would get in a good group. How is this imba?? Zerkers get the groups and get more exp than we do alone. Sounds like IMBA in favor of Zerker if you ask me, Guardians need to be buffed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Solutions to fix Guardian / Zerker balance:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Allow Guardians to solo yellow ^^ mobs, this would let us get solo exp on par with a decent group. This is fair since we can't find a group of non-noobs OR</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Remove the Bloodlust line of spells from Zerkers. This would make Zerker DPS still greater than Guardian DPS, but Guardian agro > Zerker agro. Balance. OR</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Give Guardians a "Shield Lust" spell that causes us to "anti-Zerk" every time we're hit, increasing our defense rather than offense and creating agro every time we "anti-Zerk".</DIV>

[Rie]

<DIV>How about you go learn how to play your class. Make friends. And then you won't have to make such asinine posts on the forums.</DIV>

[TheOneAP]

<DIV>How can you accuratly say this with out knowing what happens on the high end.</DIV>

[taurmi]

i can fairly easy solo yellow solo mobs in Kex. i may have a couple bought wrists but am mostly quested gear and high 900 to 1000 hp/ac self buffed and seem to do all right and as far as agro goes if i pull , shout , assult ( bury now), and hold the line will still have agro at the end of the fight from 5 yellow mobs with only a shout or 2 during the fight no matter what other classes i have in the group. the key to agro for ma seems to be sure to get it good at the start of the fight so that there are no worries at the end. just my 2cp sumer 22 guard unrest

[Reol]

<DIV>Guardians are the worse class in the game..............Then quit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stop whining about something you have no clue what your talking about. I have a Shadow Knight and I have to say that I think they need way more help than a Guardian...hell guardians are tough [Removed for Content] that can take a beating, and speaking from a zerker standpoint...I much prefer a guardian assisting me or vice versa.</DIV>

[Xek]

wow, guardians are certianly the best WHINERS in the game. I have grouped with guardians as a defiler, and i like them alot. I dont have to heal them much becuase they TAKE HITS VERY WELL. When i have to heal less, i am very happy becuase it means i get aggro less and therefore, take alot less dirt naps.the game is one month old and people are already calling for the nerf bat. Wow, what a bunch of whiners!

[Game]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NinjaGangsta wrote:<BR> <DIV>Because we're THE WORST CLASS in groups right now, our class is 100% eclipsed by Zerkers. It's hard to find a group of non-noobs right now with a Guardian because everyone who reads the boards or is in a guild has heard the truth that Guardian is a gimped class. They won't group with us, they wait to find a Zerker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Soloing green-blue mobs gives us LESS exp than we would get in a good group. How is this imba?? Zerkers get the groups and get more exp than we do alone. Sounds like IMBA in favor of Zerker if you ask me, Guardians need to be buffed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Solutions to fix Guardian / Zerker balance:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Allow Guardians to solo yellow ^^ mobs, this would let us get solo exp on par with a decent group. This is fair since we can't find a group of non-noobs OR</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Remove the Bloodlust line of spells from Zerkers. This would make Zerker DPS still greater than Guardian DPS, but Guardian agro > Zerker agro. Balance. OR</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Give Guardians a "Shield Lust" spell that causes us to "anti-Zerk" every time we're hit, increasing our defense rather than offense and creating agro every time we "anti-Zerk".</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>ROFL .... you really should consider a game thats a bit easier , would save you a lot of stress. I recoment DOOM III in GOD mode , and keep it fun.</DIV>

[Willowwing]

<DIV>I do not understand why you are having trouble.  Even at lower levels under 20 I was able to solo even orange mobs.  I am only 22 and in Thundering steppes I can solo orange con mobs.  There are rare occasions when I can solo a ^^ depending on actually how tough it is.  Some mobs like Holly Windstalker to name a few are underconned for a ^^.  I have quested and used cash through gathering, and selling items to get the gear I have.  I have 1055ac 1042hp and all my resists are 200+  I did this a lot solo because of my playtimes.  With the skills we have, there is no excuse to be able to tank right.  If you cannot hold aggro then back off and let the person ganking the aggro have it.  You can sentinel and allay as well as use battle tacticts, and rally cry to reduce their damage.  In groups where I am with a rogue, zerker and cleric I have to just learn to use all my taunts first when pulling to get aggro.  Using shout, bury, anger, and taunting blow most always do the trick.  Rinse and it should be fine if a mob aggros your healer you should know that some app3s do this and have allay and sentinel up on them.  Then just target the group mob and use your taunts on them as well as melee to get aggro.  When you pull a group if you are the only one damaging the mob it will re aggro on you.  Maybe that's why in every group and guild group I have been complimented on my tanking abilities.  You can do it you just have to know how.  There are many quests out there that give you 50s to complete like the wholesalers quests.  With 1 gold you can buy 2 good pieces of armor, so there is no excuse not to have decent ac.  Quests exist that give you good armor pieces past 20 you just have to attune them.  The only piece of hearth I am not wearing that I have completed is the guantlets.  I got the guantlets of storms from the relic quest in Stormhold that have better stats and ac than hearth.  </DIV>

[Absinthe Armagedd]

<DIV>I dont know about not being able to find a group</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have had no trouble finding them</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Granted I rarely look for groups outside of the guild, but when I do, </DIV>

[Taurcl]

<DIV>Cry more n00bs. Im sick of these posts. People stand in awe of the poundings I can take many a time. </DIV>

[edge9]

<DIV>I'm a 24 Guardian on butcherblock and I've never had a problem getting into groups. Heck, there's only been 2-3 times I haven't been MT when I'm in the group. Most of the time, somebody in the group will say "cool, we have a Guardian, he's MT now".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only time I'm not MT is if there's a Pally, SK or Zerker at least 2 levels ahead of me, and even in those cases they barely out AC and HP me. We have a big responsibility in the group and I like that about the class. We defend everyone and hold ALL aggro. In my experience, when aggro breaks down, that's when you have group members taking dirt naps. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My 2cp</DIV>

[Sho]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> edge929 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm a 24 Guardian on butcherblock and I've never had a problem getting into groups. Heck, there's only been 2-3 times I haven't been MT when I'm in the group. Most of the time, somebody in the group will say "cool, we have a Guardian, he's MT now".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only time I'm not MT is if there's a Pally, SK or Zerker at least 2 levels ahead of me, and even in those cases they barely out AC and HP me. We have a big responsibility in the group and I like that about the class. We defend everyone and hold ALL aggro. In my experience, when aggro breaks down, that's when you have group members taking dirt naps. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My 2cp</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Um, why did you dig up this thread?  Did you see the date on it?  after the big patch even the whiniest Guards can't complain about Zerks.