Yet Another Post About How A Guardian Sucks

[Xti]

<DIV>and here it is another one</DIV> <DIV>i am another guardian effected by all the issses we face. i hear ya. and i want to put forth my 2 cents like everyone else</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i have read most if not all the posts here and i have come to the conclusion that we are completly useless and good for nothing class</DIV> <DIV>we cant DPS and defend people or even ourselvs for that matter, what does the guardian class do again??!? defend HOW?!?!</DIV> <DIV>all are taunt does is suck power, thats it. for me once aggro is on someone else in my group i cant get off them at all. except very are times i do some how</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>what SOE needs to do is Nerf zerkers to hell, and greatly improve taunt and defence for guardians</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>our A/C = Teh **mods 4 teh win!!1!**, a monk with lower A/C could do better then us at defending</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A defiler can out Dps us, A DEFILER!?! i duoed with one last night and he was kicking the **mods 4 teh win!!1!** outa the npc</DIV> <DIV>now a defiler compared to a fighting class-- this does not make alot of sence. so there for our DPS should be uped aswell</DIV> <DIV>and nerf the hell outa the defiler class</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>nerf nerf nerf, thast the way its done. only way SOE knows how to fix something is to nerf it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if any of you aggre pls say NERF <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i also would like someone here to start some sort of special petition against these isses</DIV> <DIV>a petition thread of some sort</DIV>

[Dalthenn]

I just made guardian (20 minutes ago), and posts like this one make me wonder if I picked the right class <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Xti]

<DIV>you did, just its totaly biggy atm. just keep posting</DIV><p>Message Edited by Xtife on <span class=date_text>12-05-2004</span> <span class=time_text>09:55 AM</span>

[Dalthenn]

Oh boy...can I /petition and have CSR make me a dr00d!? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Ok, I'm off; the more I read this board the more I get depressed /sigh.It appears that Guardians will go through the same pains as Warriors did in EQ1. Why can't they ever get this class right from the start? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by Dalthenn on <span class=date_text>12-05-2004</span> <span class=time_text>09:59 AM</span>

[Ainm]

On what parsing data are you basing your dps numbers on? Or are you just assuming Guardians are very low dps?Also, on what data are you basing your contention that Guardians do not have adequate defense?

[Xti]

<DIV>well a defiler can solo a red lvl 30 solo mob in EL, i cant</DIV> <DIV>theres somethign wrong with that</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i know for a a fact that i cant do decent damage without spamming skills and event hat still does crap</DIV> <DIV>i know that if i was the only thing attacking a mob it would take a really long time for me to kill it</DIV> <DIV>any mob, not just talking about group stuff</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and i know that theres a bug where a monk has better defence then any other fighter class even tho his A/c is lower</DIV> <DIV>i reported the bug and i was told that it was a known bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Xtife on <span class=date_text>12-05-2004</span> <span class=time_text>02:34 PM</span>

[Ainm]

<blockquote><hr>Xtife wrote:<DIV>well a defiler can solo a red lvl 30 solo mob in EL, i cant</DIV></blockquote>I can solo a Blue^^ level 23 Group Mob in TS, and I don't believe any other class can do that. There is definitely something wrong with that. It doesn't mean I have more DPS, as there is more to soloing than DPS.My point is that until we see someone compare equivalent classes using a set environment, it's pretty useless to post about how we're low dps that or can't take hits or can't taunt or whatever. It can be fun to argue a point based on an anecdote, but ultimately it's unsatisfying. If you think a Guardian does less DPS than it should, then run a series of tests that match your dps against the dps of others who you would consider a baseline.Only then will these kinds of complaints get anywhere.

[chudanat]

<DIV>hey how about this .... they nerf zerkers to hell like the original post says..... then they nerf gaurdians and you guys can only use shields ..... this way it works out.  zerks will only dps and draw no hate.  sounds good to me.  then we will be another dps.  and you guys can just be meat.  instead of saying nerf nerf i want my class to be the best tank in game.  this is why not only do they need regular servers they need servers with age limits.  just my 2 cents but hey who am i.... im a lowly 20 zerker.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>don't get me wrong i think they need to give you guys a spell at 20 or 21 that you can activate that constantly generates hate toward you.  but that is my 2 cents.</DIV>

[GenesisForgot]

Wow obviously you dont know what you are talking about.

[chudanat]

<DIV>i really don't ... your right... never played eq1 just a have a 20 warden and a 20 zerker but what i do know that i just started reading the zerker forums this weekend  and everyone is expecting a nerf of some kind ... well another one anyways.  not saying who is crying about it but i think you can guess.  instead of being jealous or invious why don't you guys put your heads together start a post with suggestions besides NERF ZERKERS</DIV> <DIV>it sounds like a bunch of spoiled children on these forums.  read em.  i have read all of them.  You guys do have a point.  You guys should be able to draw agro and hold it no matter what.  that is what your class is supposed to do.  so instead of crying about it .....do something.  i have read alot of ways about nerfing zerks.  why not come out and give the devs some help with suggestions as to getting the guardians on track.  and if your expecting the guardians to just outblast every tank out there ... soe stated all classes will be able to tank at all lvls ..... just some will probly live through it as some will not.   as i suggested earlier give you guys a spell that generates hate toward you... you can have all kinds of possibilites with that.  from doing an area taunt that recharges in 2 secs or something that attacks everything around your with a low recharge time that generates an large amount of hate.  i will go back and double check all the post on this forum but i can only think i have seen 1 or 2 helpful ones suggesting options not crying.  but needless to say they have the complainers posting on them as well.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>take a step back and read these forums as someone neutral and you do realize there is a problem with the guardian...</DIV>

[Troupez]

<DIV>I totally agree that we need more positive posts.  I don't say nerf Zerkers I say improve Guardians.  Guardians should be given more defense buffs since Zerkers have offense buffs and along with a Guardian "Guarding" spell that lasts more than 2 1/2 mins (Sentinel) so it is more useful.  I know we have Intervene but that is a Warrior spell so zerkers have it as well.  I haven't had much of a problem holding aggro so I believe that mitigation is the issue for guardians.  I say don't nerf zerkers but improve Guardians.  </DIV><p>Message Edited by Troupez on <span class=date_text>12-05-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:44 PM</span>

[Kasu]

<DIV>Im a level 29 Guardian from najena named Kasume and i've been reading these boards since release. Now although i agree with a lot of people that the guardian class wasn't what i expected ( The sought after tank / meatshield ) I will disagree with one thing...and thats our dps when we solo...As a level 29 guardian I am able to solo reds...yes thats right i said red conned mobs up to level 34 in Enchanted Lands with around 30% life left. I hit on average with both hands with my axe for around 20-25 per hand and on special moves I can hit upward to 120 sometimes...This is ofcourse with all combat skill at atleast adept 1...The only thing i see broken about my class is the taunt lines...I can spam taunts and buffs the entire fight and if a berserker wanted too he can pull hate of me instantly...all they really need to do to fix the guardian class is increase our taunt effectiveness even more...and make it so when mobs do special attacks that it doesnt hit me for full damage or same amount of damage it would on any other classes. For example when a monster does a special attack on me it will hit for 300 dmg..when that same monster does a special attack on say a wizard it will also hit for 300 dmg..this needs to be fixed...just my 2 copper.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Want]

<DIV>"Higher A/C and HP would be a nice addition along with a Guardian "Guarding" spell that lasts more than 2 1/2 mins (Sentinel) so it is more useful.  I know we have Intervene but that is a Warrior spell so zerkers have it as well."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why do you need higher AC and HPs? Guardians already tank fine. The reason Zerkers have intervene is guardian and zerkers are both warrior classes.The issue seems to be that you believe guardians should be the ONLY class that can tank in any group. Thats not how this game was created.  This is not EQL where you must have the warrior, cleric and CC class to hunt. You are a shielding class. You can shield any group member allowing them to "tank" via aggro/dps when they would never have the hps /ac to do so on their own. A guardian/zerker group is amazing to behold. The spam caused by a good guardian playing his class is wild. Learn to play outside the old EQL box and try a new game called EQ2.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The games been live for a month. Yes their are bugs. Yes they will tune / fix some issues. No your class isnt broken you just have to realize that your not in EQL anymore. Theres two tank classes in EQ2 , a shielding class and a damage class. One tanks better, the the other does more damage. </DIV>

[Troupez]

<DIV>Yeah I said that</DIV>

[God_of_Avalon]

<DIV>You have no clue what you are talking about Wanten so why waste bandwidth and time posting?  If you had any skill you would realize that aggro is the king of tanking skills and zerkers have the best aggro producing abilities in the game.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The zerker guardian combo, ie me cast my lame gaurd buffs on you and watch you tank, hold aggro and do more damage while i feel like a [Removed for Content].</DIV>

[GenesisForgot]

Also whats the point in having an HP sponge character sitting sideline? Just give the Zerker the same gear I do (since they have no equip penalty meaning they have same AC/HP potentially) and replace me with an assassin or wizard. Let's get realistic.

[Eal]

<DIV>I hope they don't change anything and keep it the way it is. I NEVER have an issue with agro. You all must be doing something wrong. The only reason you feel like a [Removed for Content] GoD_of_Nothing is because you must be one.  The only thing I haven't been able to keep agro on are multiples if a Nuker goes crazy but I still maintain agro on the one im attacking.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> BTW Great Job SOE...please dont change a thing about Guardians. It wont matter anyways once you fix the so called problem they will want more like the ability to crap magical A$ hammers to fling at their enemies.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now quests bugs thats another issue. I would rather have that fixed first. Nothing more annoying than spending hours on a quest then getting a blank stare from a NPC.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Ealix on <SPAN class=date_text>12-06-2004</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:26 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Ealix on <span class=date_text>12-06-2004</span> <span class=time_text>01:26 AM</span>

[God_of_Avalon]

<DIV> <DIV> <DIV>"The only reason you feel like a [Removed for Content] GoD_of_Nothing is because you must be one."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mods please ban ealix.</DIV></DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by God_of_Avalon on <span class=date_text>12-06-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:26 PM</span>

[Want]

<DIV><FONT size=4>God</FONT><FONT size=3>, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Do yourself and everyone else a favor and delete your char and stop posting. Your an embarassment to Guardians.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>This isnt EQL where your a warrior and the only tank in the game. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Guardians arnt the only tank class in EQ2. Do you have this inability to your job if there are two Guardians in the group?  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>If your grouped with a zerker and you refuse to allow them to MT because you cant understand that a Guardian -- GUARDS -- please reroll and stop whining. </FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Wanten on <span class=date_text>12-06-2004</span> <span class=time_text>04:19 PM</span>

[Can_O_Sp]

<DIV>Nerf those zerkers...Double Frost is Sooooooooo Overpowered!!!!!</DIV>

[Eal]

<DIV>  What are you hard of hearing?? I among many other people have no problem keeping agro from any class.THE PROBLEM IS YOU! How is my post moronic?? I am playing the game fine and enjoying every moment of it. You and all of the whiners on this board aren't going to convince anyone of this issue because its just not true if you know what you are doing. </DIV> <DIV>  As a dev the only thing that would convince me their is something majorly wrong with a class if people just stopped playing it, but of course you are going to keep whining and playing the class until you hit 50. I wish God_of_Nothing that you would pick another class so you can screw up their Forum with stupid rantics. If you have nothing to offer than you just become part of the problem. And dont tell me that you are offering suggestion because look at the title of the threads, just a bunch of cry babies.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Devs, how do we get rid of this guy because he is just wasting space in here??</DIV>

[God_of_Avalon]

<DIV><SPAN class=time_text>Ealix, you are not allowed to call me a [Removed for Content] or "God_of_Nothing."  Please call me God_of_Avalon.</SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by God_of_Avalon on <span class=date_text>12-06-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:50 PM</span>