Groups dont want my Guardian.

[Diabler]

<DIV>Hey all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am a lv 22 Guardian right now and I have to say that it is getting very hard for me to find a group.  I am playing an alt right now becuase the other night I was watching tv while waiting to get into a group and for 2 hours I did not find one.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WHEN I DID FIND A GROUP TO JOIN THE LEADER TOLD ME SORRY WE ALREADY HAVE A TANK!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It turns out that this tank was a SK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another group the other day said the same thing, their tank was a Zerker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It seems that people dont want me becuase they only think I am a meat shield and nothing more.  They dont know that I do my share of dmg.  They feel that I am only good as a tank and nothing else.  I picked Guardian because I wanted to be in groups and most of all I wanted to be a tank.  It looks like all the other classes are doing it too, the SK and all his little spell dodads and his horse (or pony to some shorter races).  The Zerker does all the extra dmg.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just think that we need to be better at tanking.  It seems that most people think we suck at everything else but being a giant piece of meat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I say better at tanking I mean when people are looking for a tank, they need to be looking for a Guardian and nothing else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love my Guardian though, and I am sure (OR I AT LEAST HOPE) that things will get better at later lv's.</DIV>

[GenesisForgot]

Groups are usually composed of:tank, priest (or 2), and 4 dps (optional chanter)As a guardian you are not dps, you are the furthest thing from it. Sometimes finding a group will be hard sometimes easy. Sitting there with a LFG tag on for hours with no group is partially your own fault.Travel to a different zone and advertise, dont just stand around.

[Diabler]

<DIV>DPS or not, I can do my share of dmg, it isnt horrible, it isnt amazing.  At my lv there are only a hand ful of zones to go to to lv, I went to those zones . . . no groups.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not asking for help getting into groups.  I am simply saying that groups grab a SK or a Paladin or a Zerker and put them as the MT.  I feel that tanking should be the Guardians job alone.  SOE doesnt feel the same way though.  I will just wait it out, I am sure as I progress in my lv's that things will start to get better.</DIV>

[Swordsm]

<DIV>nothing new diablerie, beginning when eq2 first came out everyone thought guardian is the best tank.</DIV> <DIV>as time goes by,  player learn that berkerser, sk, pal can tank pretty well too.  guardian are less need.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm a lvl 24 guardian, and have no problem finding group. why? because I have bunch of friends that</DIV> <DIV>play eq1 together for many years.  they are willing to group me whenever i ask and do quest together.</DIV> <DIV>other than that, I LFG /ooc in TS for a good 30mins no group needs me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i zone to nek forst and /ooc lvl 24 guardian lfg pst.  what happens? no one needs me.  going back and forward</DIV> <DIV>btw zones gets annoying.  Nowaday when my guildmate not on, what i do? go solo with cheap exp <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>better than nothing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the more exp player gain from eq2, people would choose a zerker over guardian anytime/anywhere.</DIV> <DIV>most noob like all of us from start thinking, man we're looking for a tank, let's get the first lfg guardian</DIV> <DIV>comes in.  guess what? this dont happan anymore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so far, guardian is not what i expected.  as i mentino from previous post, I will quit if guardian does not</DIV> <DIV>meet my standard when i lvl to 30+.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>currently i'm playing eq2 because my friends are still playing and it's graphics plus new things.  I chose guardian</DIV> <DIV>thinking that I will be the MT in guild but guess what?  i'm buffing my guildmate which is a Zerker(MT same lvl/gear)</DIV> <DIV>with my skill and do cheap dps.  I dont feel like a real tank, i feel like i'm taking an extra spot from group <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>but hey what's what friend are for <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hope guardian becomes a real tank higher lvl.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.s. you're posting old news here..... go solo some crabs in TS/Nek.  exp is ok.......GL</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE did it again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  </DIV>

[GenesisForgot]

sorry but guardian DPS is pretty horrible. When other classes are congratulating themselves on a 400 pt backstab and I'm happy about a 80 pt mangle you know you aren't a dps. Guardians are a meatshield but a group only needs one meatshield. If you can't find a group go somewhere else and look.

[ArgosyAxeGrind]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Diablerie wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hey all,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am a lv 22 Guardian right now and I have to say that it is getting very hard for me to find a group.  I am playing an alt right now becuase the other night I was watching tv while waiting to get into a group and for 2 hours I did not find one.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WHEN I DID FIND A GROUP TO JOIN THE LEADER TOLD ME SORRY WE ALREADY HAVE A TANK!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It turns out that this tank was a SK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another group the other day said the same thing, their tank was a Zerker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It seems that people dont want me becuase they only think I am a meat shield and nothing more.  They dont know that I do my share of dmg.  They feel that I am only good as a tank and nothing else.  I picked Guardian because I wanted to be in groups and most of all I wanted to be a tank.  It looks like all the other classes are doing it too, the SK and all his little spell dodads and his horse (or pony to some shorter races).  The Zerker does all the extra dmg.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just think that we need to be better at tanking.  It seems that most people think we suck at everything else but being a giant piece of meat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I say better at tanking I mean when people are looking for a tank, they need to be looking for a Guardian and nothing else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love my Guardian though, and I am sure (OR I AT LEAST HOPE) that things will get better at later lv's.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>I hate to say it, but I would agree with what that group leader told you - if they have a tank, there is no reason that you should be given priority over the other classes. In this game, the best balanced is achieved by grabbing 4 different types of classes, and then 2 "other classes." If they are tanking fine with just 1 tank, then that is fair IMO. There is no reason that your subclass should be any more desired than another for most given encounters, if that were the case, then the archetype system would be flawed. However, if you were to enter a situation whereby you were looking for a group and that group needed a "tank," but then told you "no thanks, we are waiting for a SK to come online," then I would agree there is a problem. One tank should be enough and as much as I hate to say it, Guardians should not be "THE" tank for every encounter, they should just be a viable tank like the other fighter classes should be.</P>

[gggun]

<DIV>What can I say man, you gotta find a group without a tank. Fact is our DPS is crap, worse than any other fighter and far worse than any scout. Why would a group want you as DPS when they can get a scout that does it 2x better?? We just need to find groups where we can be the tank, and if not then move on. Such is the life of a Guardian.</DIV>

[Xter]

<DIV>What happen to you has nothing to do with a fault of your class, but that they didnt need that class.  I form most of my own groups, mainly becuse i'm very picky about forming the RIGHT class components.  I would have turned you down as well, becuse they didnt need another tank. Guard is as much a DPS'er as it is a healer.  In other words, when looking for either of those, I dont look for any of the "tanks".  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Perfect group IMO:  1 Guard, 1 templar, 1 Secondary Healer (Shammie or Druid), 1 Chanter, 1 DPS rog type, 1 other DPS type (Ranger, Wiz).  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mobs go boom, fast, safe, with very little downtime.  </DIV>

[Demolitio]

<DIV>I don't have an extensive friend's list.  Most times I duo with a friend.  Me: 22 Guardian .. Her: 21 Warden.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On average I get a few tells a night from people I've never met or grouped with, asking if I want to tank for them.  This  is without a LFG flag up.  Most likely I'm already grouped, OR I'm tradeskilling.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We have our short comings, but we can take a beating like no other.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also in some groups, where there would be two tanks, I am more times than not the chosen one to tank (even if that paladin is 2 levels higher than me).</DIV>

[Caethi]

<DIV>I am expecting, or hoping at least that as we gain in levels, the differences between the classes will start to present themselves and Guardians will be a "must have" for certain raids/encounters. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As people start pulling more damaging mobs they're going to want a tank who can do two things: </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Take loads of damage</DIV> <DIV>Taunt and protect like there's no tomorrow</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I remember in EQ where Pallys and SK's were viable 'tanks' until the low 30's. Then on raids and big pulls they became the "secondary tank" behind the higher AC/HP but lower dps warriors. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am sticking it out as guardian in the hopes and belief that this is what will happen.</DIV>

[Cuthahot]

<DIV>I have just receintly decided to go start a Guardian.  My reason is simple.  I spend more time "Tanking" as a Troll Fury, than any zerker or sk in any group i've been in.  When I started the the toon(fury) I chose to be a Troll for the simple reason that as a healer, I expect to be an aggro magnet, whether I want to be or not. And the fact the troll has the highest base STA of any race, equals the higest base HP.  I assumed, healer = aggro and mass STA = durability.  My assumption has proven this to me more than once.  My troll actually does an admriable job as a tank.  When I get aggro (and i consider it a goof when i do, unavoidable some times, but a goof non the less.  All i do is drop a regen on my self and go back to healing as needed.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only FG group I have not had an issue with, was when we had a Guardian.  I didn't have to snap heal as soon as the pull was in camp, and could keep up nicely with regen and a couple of touch up heals here and there.  This allowed me to spend more time doing debuffs and dots.  Fights went faster, and I healed less.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My gut feel.  It will take some time for the game to shake out.  What is it, less than a month so far.  In the end game, aggro mgt will be up to everyone.  The Guardian will need to do everything in his power to keep aggro, and all DPS/Healers will need to pay attention and not pull aggro. This is no different than in EQLive.  We have grown up, needing to ensure the tank had adaquate time to build aggro. In the long run, I see a huge need for the Guradian, and am very concerned by what i read in here.  If folks bail on thier Guardians, I see the end game as being very difficult.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now answer me this.  HO's are at least extra dmg, and sometimes very serious weapons.  Why have i never (outside my guild) seen a group work out how to pull off the HO's in sequence.  We have done some serious dmg (mega exp) with well corrdinated HO attacks.</DIV>

[Syraxen]

<DIV>I just wish most of our abilities were based around protecting outselves to the max, as apposed to protecting others.  </DIV>

[Kagtu]

<DIV>I have a lvl 22 (almost 23) and we are doing the armor quests...  Currently we lack only the final fight against the named giant in TS.  I have found that most of the time i group with friends from past groups and now that i am in a guild, i am the guild tank.  That is awesome.  However, i did want to say something about this.  Guardians are great tanks.  And i think in time we will prove to be the high end requested tanks.  At least I hope so since that is all we really have to look forward too.  Furthermore, I am second to no one in damage dealing.  Case in point, a friend needed to finish his third armor quest however, he needed a tank.  He sends me a tell and i go to help.  I wasn't even done with the encounter and the entire group (full) was screaming about how the encounter was going faster then before when they had their pally tank of one level higher.  So my point is, that i realize that some classes have higher damage output, and I realize that at these younger lvl's (1-30) we seem equal with others in the tankage department, i feel we will shine in the end and our damage output will be fine.  Thanks for listening to me.</DIV>

[Deluw]

<DIV>Maybe when you are below lvl 25 other classes can tank as well but when you get higher things like vanguard armor(ac)/hp and aggro/protection skills will make a guardian a much better tank. I wont say you cant do it without a guardian I'm just trying to say it will be much easier with a guardian, aggro and ac/hp wise.</DIV>

[Obl]

Don't stand around LFG. You're a tank, one of the anchors of any good group. Find a healer and invite some DPS and bam, you have a group. I never stand around waiting unless it's for someone I invited to arrive. I usually have a group within 15 to 20 minutes tops...

[Fae]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Syraxen wrote:<BR> <DIV>I just wish most of our abilities were based around protecting outselves to the max, as apposed to protecting others.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Hunker Down.

[ArgosyAxeGrind]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faeye wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Syraxen wrote:<BR> <DIV>I just wish most of our abilities were based around protecting outselves to the max, as apposed to protecting others.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Hunker Down.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> And Solider's Stance

[Rie]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cuthahotha wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have just receintly decided to go start a Guardian.  My reason is simple.  I spend more time "Tanking" as a Troll Fury, than any zerker or sk in any group i've been in.  When I started the the toon(fury) I chose to be a Troll for the simple reason that as a healer, I expect to be an aggro magnet, whether I want to be or not. And the fact the troll has the highest base STA of any race, equals the higest base HP.  I assumed, healer = aggro and mass STA = durability.  My assumption has proven this to me more than once.  My troll actually does an admriable job as a tank.  When I get aggro (and i consider it a goof when i do, unavoidable some times, but a goof non the less.  All i do is drop a regen on my self and go back to healing as needed.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only FG group I have not had an issue with, was when we had a Guardian.  I didn't have to snap heal as soon as the pull was in camp, and could keep up nicely with regen and a couple of touch up heals here and there.  This allowed me to spend more time doing debuffs and dots.  Fights went faster, and I healed less.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My gut feel.  It will take some time for the game to shake out.  What is it, less than a month so far.  In the end game, aggro mgt will be up to everyone.  The Guardian will need to do everything in his power to keep aggro, and all DPS/Healers will need to pay attention and not pull aggro. This is no different than in EQLive.  We have grown up, needing to ensure the tank had adaquate time to build aggro. In the long run, I see a huge need for the Guradian, and am very concerned by what i read in here.  If folks bail on thier Guardians, I see the end game as being very difficult.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now answer me this.  HO's are at least extra dmg, and sometimes very serious weapons.  Why have i never (outside my guild) seen a group work out how to pull off the HO's in sequence.  We have done some serious dmg (mega exp) with well corrdinated HO attacks.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Very good point! I see everyone talking about how the other warrior classes are better than the Guardian based on their AC/HP at 20... At 26 I WAY out tank my guild mate that is a Zerker. You can't base a comparison on lvl 20, that is just when we start to seperate. As you work through 20, if you have quality players you will see that a Guardian is a better tank and the others are better damage dealers. Can Zerker, SK, Pally tank? Yes. Can they tank as well as a Guardian above 25? NO.<BR>

[benba]

<DIV>I've been soloing crabs from lvl 22 to lvl 26. Went shouting for 1 hour in TS and Forest LFG and gave up. I can't do anymore crabs. Reminds me of having to solo 200000 Rancors as  Jedi on SWG. Bored to tear</DIV>

[ArgosyAxeGrind]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> benbang wrote:<BR> <DIV>I've been soloing crabs from lvl 22 to lvl 26. Went shouting for 1 hour in TS and Forest LFG and gave up. I can't do anymore crabs. Reminds me of having to solo 200000 Rancors as  Jedi on SWG. Bored to tear</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>I'm not trying to be ugly (honest), but why don't you form your own group rather than waiting for someone else to pick you up? When you enter the zone, check who is lfg.</P> <P>/who lfg</P> <P>When someone shouts LFG, send them a tell to come join you and start your own group. You can sit and wait for the party to come to you, but if you bring yourself to the party, things will get moving much faster <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[benba]

<DIV>Because they disband immediately once they realize I'm a Halfing. I'm tired of the bigots in this game that discriminate against us Jum Jum Lovers</DIV>

[Xter]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faeye wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Syraxen wrote:<BR> <DIV>I just wish most of our abilities were based around protecting outselves to the max, as apposed to protecting others.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Hunker Down.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>And Solider's Stance </P> <HR> <P> </P> <DIV>All your Cry's, Thoughness, Sheild bash (stun, means not taking damage) your kick interupt (not taking damage) Attack that lowers the offence of the mob (taking less damage) and thats just at lvl 25, there's more to come.  You have to look at the big picture and see everything as it relates to the goal of tanking.  Also, I read on another post that our Def buffs dont stack.  Thats simply not true.  While they only add a small amount when stacked, every bit counts and should be used when needed.  </DIV>

[Uumuuanu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Diablerie,  not sure what server you are on, or who you play with but I have never had a problem getting a group as a guardian.  Granted I am only 20 working aq3 but never has my class been and issue of me not getting a group.  What I see alot, is that groups like guardians simply because we can take a beating like no other tanking class can.  </P> <P>Example last night, our guild did a raid in FG for some of the AQ3 stuff (which FYI raiding is bugged on quest items,  make sure you are killing the quest mob last or you dont always get credit for it).  Guild leader is a 24 SK with WAY better equipment (AQ5 complete).  I was pulling and he was tanking most of them.  However it didnt take alot for me to take over and maintain aggro simply because thats what the game gives you as a guardian, the ability to get aggro and hold it while the mob is killed, thus the basis of being a tank.  On over pulls, of which we had several because of pops, everyone focused on killing the mob he was on, while I would grab aggro of any non mezzed mob and hold it until the rest of the raid was ready.  </P> <P>At one point we had 8 popped mobs on us, 4 mezzed, 1 under fire and 3 on me.  I held all 3 of them down with one lvl 20  healer healing me, even when we got an addition 2 pops and that healer went down, I held those 3 long enough for the raid to take down all 5 other mobs before I went down, and that was with less than 1000 hp holding single and double up yelows.</P> <P>Honestly I dont think its going to be an issue of who will be the final end of the game tanks.  Guardians will be the stand there and get beat on MT, while the other classes will be the DPS 2A people.  Guardians will hold the aggro and get beat on while the casters and other melee do the damage.  I honestly think that is what SOE had in mind when they set up our skills and abilities.</P> <P>Another thing to keep in mind is that right now as with EQ1 in the beginning alot of things can keep up and take the damage.  Casters can tank at lower levels even.  But in the end game, even before the next expansion there will be mobs that are hitting harder then anything other then the most durable of tanks will be able to handle.  Those tanks will end up being guardians IMO.</P> <P><BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Uumuuanu]

<P>Grr double post.</P><p>Message Edited by Uumuuanu on <span class=date_text>12-03-2004</span> <span class=time_text>10:58 AM</span>

[Reol]

<DIV>Anyone who thinks a paladin and a shadowknight can take damage like a berserker and guardian is crazy, a sk and paladin can both tank yes, but i don't know of many that can take 5 oj mobs and live to talk about it. The warrior classes ( Guardian and Berserker ) will have the upper hand in the Main tank area, they should, thats there light, the paladin and shadowknight also are very good, but they are not the main tanks of a group, its not just damage, its skills and abilities that will i think in the end determine our roles in groups.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However just so its clear what im saying, Im NOT saying a Paladin nor Shadowknight CAN'T tank im saying that put side by side with a guardian or zerker, they are not able to mitigate damage nor deal with group aggro the same, they CAN main tank in there OWN way though, so they can efficiently do there job when its needed and not have to sit and wait for the guardians and zerkers to log into the game to play.</DIV>

[Vandame]

<DIV>I to have never had an issue finding groups and even start getting requests as soon as I log on with out turning on my lfg.  I have since started grouping with the same groups of people day after day and now are doing pretty much exclusive HO moments.   As the HO moments extra damage can be huge the Temp and I have been weaving heals and taunts in during the wheel cycle so as to not break the moment.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am wondering about those of you who are using Hunker Down as its a taunt reducer, great for getting out of sticky situations but not something I would use as common practice.  </DIV>

[Fatfinge]

<DIV>I currently play a levle 22 guardian as well, and i find it hard to get a group (at least in nek).  However, its not cuz we're gimped- actually, far from it.  The reason is becasue there are 5 OTHER tank classes out there, who all tank in different ways, and people either prefer the other tanking styles at this level or in the area.  The extra DPS the zerks give or the spells of the SK help more than pure tanking-ness, but maybe if the mobs hit for much much more, they'd change their minds.  IMHO people are much too quick to whine about a broken class (not that its happening here) than to think it through.  Just a thought</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Burdock, 22 Guardian, Najena</DIV>

[Belce]

<DIV>Any group that does not yet have a guardian would be well served to have one, unless they are interested in blue solo mobs, in which case a guardian would not be interested in their group. </DIV>

[OGRE4]

Sounds like your taking it a little personal heh. He could of possibly known the other tank as a friend and wanting to keep maximum exp decided to just keep one meatshield. I've never had a problem finding a group and when i can't i just solo so it's all good. Another possibiliy is they've had you in the group before and you werent efficient either ac wise ( wasting healing mojo ) or skill wise ( breaking ho's not taunting correctly)....but then again it could be nothing.

[OGRE4]

Sounds like your taking it a little personal heh. He could of possibly known the other tank as a friend and wanting to keep maximum exp decided to just keep one meatshield. I've never had a problem finding a group and when i can't i just solo so it's all good. Another possibiliy is they've had you in the group before and you werent efficient either ac wise ( wasting healing mojo ) or skill wise ( breaking ho's not taunting correctly)....but then again it could be nothing.Edit: Actually if i was the guy looking for group members i'd take a dps, rogue, assassin ect over another tank myself.

[Diabler]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>The so called tank that they had was a zerker, that is why I was speaking of them and the SK and the Paladin.  The Zerker was a friend of mine, same lv.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The leader said they had a tank.  I just feel that the Guardian should be the only tank and like I said.  In future lv's that should all start to come into play.  I saw a Zerker I think around lv 26 the other day.  My AC was around 100 less than his, I am at 22.  So from that I could tell that either I get a lot better as I lv than the Zerker or he was one poor SOB.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This group also was a four man group, no one else was LFG.  I still was unwanted.  ANY EXTRA DMG IS NICE.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just a few details on the situation.  Didnt expect to get so many replies.  I dont hate my class.  I tank very well.  I am happy that taunts have been increased and am eager to get out there and test it out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit: First post, made a mistake, first group tank was the Zerker friend, the second was the SK.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Diablerie on <span class=date_text>12-04-2004</span> <span class=time_text>04:12 AM</span>

[Lethe]

<DIV>All you'd accomplish in that group is lowering the current members exp/hour. Inviting a templar to nuke would probably be better dps than inviting a guardian.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1 fighter, 1 priest, 4 of any mix of scout and mage. That's the basic group 101. Exchange one dps for a second healer if doing something insanely hard. Your best bet is to make friends with every priest you encounter. Then you and the priest start a group and try to suck up all dps out there. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you want to solo great and always be in 4 times the demand for groups start a wizard/warlock. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If you just want to be in demand in groups all the time go for a chanter. It looks like DPS classes will be the most sought after group members this time. Not so surprising, as basically all standard groups in EQL consisted of tank, healer, slower and 3 dps.</DIV>

[Ellind]

<DIV>I think this is funny personally.  I mean there has not been a single instance in which someone has been looking for a tank and told me, 'no thanks, we're holding out for a zerker or paladin'.  OMG, that's just a joke.  I think people better step back for a bit, take a deep breath, look in the mirror and repeat "I love myself, I am a good person, everyone likes me".  ROFL  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Basically, if you think a group is turning down a guardian in FAVOR of a different warrior class, I think you're paranoid.  Now they may have preference due to level of the character, but that's a whole different thing people.</DIV>

[Fae]

<DIV>My current information on my warrior can be found below, in the link.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Last night I was picked to tank in a rotstuffed crow group at level 14 (I subsequently dinged 15 there after, and received Hold The Line). They already had two tanks, and it was a shaman healer. I had way more AC then the 18 Crusader and the 16 brawler. Crusader had more HP by 50, but he kept losing aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I tanked everything just fine.</DIV>