Please remove Shark Fin from game.

[Thibor24]

<DIV>I was happily levelling a provisioner until i reached t4 and started to fish for resources and look through the recipes i would get.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was shocked to see shark fins as resources and shark fin soup as a recipe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This encourages the barbaric practice of finning where the tastless fins (cartilage) are cut from the fish and the still living animal is thrown back where it sinks to the bottom and suffocates slowly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The cruelty and waste is horrific not to mention many shark species are endangered and 90% of large fish stocks have been depleted in the last 100 years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would hope my children can grow up to dive and see these creatures, I know i have enjoyed this myself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please remove these components and recipes from the game and replace with something that does not reflect such an abhorent practice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not a vegetarian and enjoy eating fish but if you spend any time researching this practice you will agree its horribly cruel and waseful.</DIV>

[Thuriel]

Norrathian sharks are a different breed altogether. Being the magical sort, their fins quickly regenerate over time so the harvesting of shark fins in Norrath is quite eco friendly. I do concede however that there may have been overfishing done in the past few months as there are far fewer fishing nodes now than there were in the past. <span>:smileyhappy:</span> <div></div>

[Calthine]

I figured they were harvested from all the sharks we have to kill for quests.

[zorros]

<span><blockquote><hr>Thibor24 wrote:<div>I was happily levelling a provisioner until i reached t4 and started to fish for resources and look through the recipes i would get.</div> <div> </div> <div>I was shocked to see shark fins as resources and shark fin soup as a recipe.</div> <div> </div> <div>This encourages the barbaric practice of finning where the tastless fins (cartilage) are cut from the fish and the still living animal is thrown back where it sinks to the bottom and suffocates slowly.</div> <div> </div> <div>The cruelty and waste is horrific not to mention many shark species are endangered and 90% of large fish stocks have been depleted in the last 100 years.</div> <div> </div> <div>I would hope my children can grow up to dive and see these creatures, I know i have enjoyed this myself.</div> <div> </div> <div>Please remove these components and recipes from the game and replace with something that does not reflect such an abhorent practice.</div> <div> </div> <div>I am not a vegetarian and enjoy eating fish but if you spend any time researching this practice you will agree its horribly cruel and waseful.</div><hr></blockquote>is killing deer as cruel and waseful? where do you draw the line on a game ?</span><div></div>

[osama]

I want whaling as a viable option in the game. Actually I think the next expansion should have an arctic theme, with lots of Minkie whales ready and willing for my harpoon. Only thing I find peculiar about sharks atm, are the so called 'whale sharks' in the sea around the sinking sands. They look more like great white on sterioids than whale sharks who has a completely different colour and are herbivore, and wouldn't attack swimmers like the 'whale sharks' of sinking sands does.

[Thibor24]

<P>If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer.</P> <P>I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me.</P> <P>If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory.</P> <P> </P>

[Calthine]

<P>Okay.  I understand your altruism, but I still think you're over-reacting.  It's a game.  Do we have to worry about the hole in the Ozone layer that Lunclin's explosion has caused?   Or the rampant poaching of badgers?  Or the exploitation of gnolls, which are not an inferior race as generally assumed, but rational, thinking peoples with their own society and lore?</P> <P>nah.</P>

[Shalwin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <P>If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory.</P> <P><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>What shark?  It's a game, there is no shark.<BR>

[Sunlei]

<P> In EQ1 it used to give me a bit of a winge when I first saw Stonebrunt mountians and there were pandas. Pandas! of all creatures. Then they attacked me! It's really just a game but I've always thought that any creature we kill in a game should not be similar to any real creature. </P> <P>There's manticore,tigers,lions and many other real looking creatures. We know it's just a game. I feel kindof bad for all the young kids that play these games. Is it good for them to kill pandas and people, even if it's a game?</P> <P>Then I think about what country owns sony. I think about how they treat the dolphins, how they deal with unwanted pets (theres a 'mail slot' you dump the unwanted pet into) the cage is cleared once a week. animals are not fed or watered.  I think about that countries new meat plant in the usa, that takes the wild horses off BLM lands. Gives them their first ride packed into a double decker truck, packed panicing for a 48 hour ride to the plant where they are dragged in the air by one hind foot, alive. For horse steaks in sonylands. A history of cruelty toward humans. A history of cruelty to animals.</P> <P>I don't know how hard it would be to change all the real type of animals and foods to more make believe types.  Sure wouldn't hurt the game at all if the names were changed.  But I doubt Sony corp. cares at all and they may even like the idea of 'shark fin soup' and panda hides. </P>

[Thibor24]

<P>Yes its a game but the game character is played by a person using their morals and ethics.</P> <P>Also shark fin and shark fin soup are not just in game items but real life items as well, by SOE having them in game it signifies that they endorse these products and the methods used to make them.</P> <P>If there was no link between real ilfe products and virtual ones there would be no fuss about marketing items or brands in a game.</P> <P>I'm literally sicked by this (or im just getting a cold) but i wish they would pull this from the game and replace them.</P> <P>For the posters questioning or criticising this please consider what would be the harm in replacing these items with something else?  </P>

[Arielle Nightshade]

On a side note:  all the house pets you can get are all coded so you cannot destroy them.  You have to find new homes for them.   As much as I'm beginning to dislike Norrath, I was touched by that clever detail.

[Contagion]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Thibor24 wrote:<p>If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer.</p> <p>I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me.</p> <p>If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory. </p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>You're fishing in a school of fish right?  No where do you see a shark amongst your harvest.  Maybbbeee, the fish are a form of Norathian Carnivore fish.  These fish might feed off of sharks, or at the very least have the capability to defend themselves from sharks.  What you have found must then be what is left of the last shark to have tried to remove one of the school's members from it's population. No where in your status did it tell you you caught shark, stripped it's fins and left it to suffer.  So, take your status message literally.. You found a shark fin... that's all. This is a game, its purpose is to provide entertainment.  The people who develop the game, are just like you and me.  Prior to reading your post, I had no knowledge that shark fin soup was a problem ethically.  It would be a fairly impossible task for the creators of any game this large to make the game 100% politically correct, and not cause a problem with anyone's moral and ethical beliefs. That is why games like this tend to be rated towards mature audiences (at least teens).  So they can seperate the real life from the fantasy world, and not be influenced by anything they might see, and hopefully not be insulted by something within the game world. My 2 copper. Bon Appetite.</span><div></div>

[zorros]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Thibor24 wrote:<p>If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer.</p> <p>I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me.</p> <p>If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>I'd liked to know where abouts you come from in the world please and then tell me that your culture does nothing to upset another one. It will be impossible. People from Norway,Finland,Japan just to name a few off the top of my head have been eating whales for a long time. Doesnt make it right in some opinion but its there way of life. Dont blame soe on this blame the human culture. Fact of life all meat comes from live animals.What makes whales any different to chickens,pigs or cows. They all have feelings and are all nature. Should soe take out all the wood nodes from the game just to please all the forest savers? You have to draw the line somewhere.This is a <u><b>GAME </b></u>if you dont like it go play another game that doesnt envolve killing something. Sims online comes to mind.<span>:smileywink: edit Would you be happy if they kept fins in and made another recipe for whale meat pies and and class for rubber from whale blubber?. </span></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by zorros on <span class=date_text>10-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:19 AM</span>

[XtremSummo]

<P>They've introduced PvP to the game too. Should we ask them to remove it, because killing other players should not be a moral and ethical lesson we want to teach.</P> <P>We kill animals and monsters to remove their eyeballs, optic nerves, ears etc etc for the Lore & Legend quests. Most of those monsters are also anthropomorphic.</P> <P>We kill human mobs too all the time of course - not just abstracted monsters. Is that a good moral lesson?</P> <P>Or perhaps you'd say that torturing a shark is worse than killing a human just for gain? That's a moral lesson too of course that could potentially lead to things like extremist animal rights activists injuring and even killing people who they think of as being evil.</P> <P> </P> <P>There <EM>is</EM> an argument that could be made against shark fins in game, but you have to go looking for the argument. There is also a very similar argument against the game itself - in that it's based around violence and killing (remember even tradeskillers only sell their wares because people need them to do the killing pretty much)... perhaps we should just ask for the game to be removed in its entirety?</P> <P>You need to approach these questions sensibly and not go looking for the argument. Once you start hacking bits of a game away because of potential real world moral values - then you leave open a reasoning that can be applied to other areas that you wouldn't want to lose. The lesson can also end up being turned against yourself. Going down that road is always a very dangerous way indeed.</P> <P>X</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by XtremSummons on <span class=date_text>10-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:32 AM</span>

[zorros]

<span><blockquote><hr>XtremSummons wrote:<div></div> <p>They've introduced PvP to the game too. Should we ask them to remove it, because killing other players should not be a moral and ethical lesson we want to teach.</p> <p>We kill animals and monsters to remove their eyeballs, optic nerves, ears etc etc for the Lore & Legend quests. Most of those monsters are also anthropomorphic.</p> <p>We kill human mobs too all the time of course - not just abstracted monsters. Is that a good moral lesson?</p> <p>Or perhaps you'd say that torturing a shark is worse than killing a human just for gain? That's a moral lesson too of course that could potentially lead to things like extremist animal rights activists injuring and even killing people who they think of as being evil.</p> <p>There <em>is</em> an argument that could be made against shark fins in game, but you have to go looking for the argument. There is also a very similar argument against the game itself - in that it's based around violence and killing (remember even tradeskillers only sell their wares because people need them to do the killing pretty much)... perhaps we should just ask for the game to be removed in its entirety?</p> <p>You need to approach these questions sensibly and not go looking for the argument. Once you start hacking bits of a game away because of potential real world moral values - then you leave open a reasoning that can be applied to other areas that you wouldn't want to lose. The lesson can also end up being turned against yourself. Going down that road is always a very dangerous way indeed.</p> <p>X</p> <p>Message Edited by XtremSummons on <span class="date_text">10-04-2005</span> <span class="time_text">01:32 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Very nicely put. I strugle with dislexia and ur post pretty well sums up what i would have like to have said. 1 example of animal rights protesters in the uk was to dig up a 80 year grandmother and hide her body,which has still yet to be found just because her son ran a animal farm thats provided animals for testing new drugs,which was totaly legel. Just shows these peoples moral's are no better than anyone else. </span><div></div>

[rant]

<DIV>/sigh. This is what it's come to? It's a game. If you are offended in any way, there's the simplest of solutions -- Don't play. Think of it this way, you can donate your monthly fee to a charity that fights shark abuse IN THE REAL WORLD. </DIV>

[kreli]

Just want to clarify here... You get an item called a shark fin and assume that the way you got it in game was by your character mutilating a shark and leaving it to die? You have serious issues. That aside, why don't you have a problem with: - Necromancer animating the rotting corpses of <b>human beings</b>. - Brutal slaying of random people, animals, or other creatures for no other reason than the experience of it. - Magic spells that infect people with disease or poison. And why is shark fin soup wrong? Next will you complain that Chocolate Bars should not be in the game because it encourages children to get fat? What about swords? I mean, they're sharp! Someone could get hurt! This is just rediculous. It's like activists everywhere; they see one thing they think is wrong and they don't realize how hypocritical they are. Do you eat any meat at all? How is it okay to kill the shark for the fins if you leave him to rot on land, but not okay if you throw him back in the water for other marine scavengers to eat? <div></div>

[Tadash]

<DIV>real life agendas have no place in a fantasy game setting.  period.</DIV>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<DIV>When my guild first tried the Zalak raid, we got spanked pretty badly.   We were joking that we should all sue for personal injury pain and suffering and for armor repair costs.   I told my sister (a real world mega-lawyer) the story and she said:  "Let me get this straight.  A group of you broke and entered onto this Zalak Guy's property, with intention to murder him for personal gain.  You attacked him, he killed you in self-defense...and you want to SUE?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>LOL....</DIV><p>Message Edited by Arielle Nightshade on <span class=date_text>10-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:57 AM</span>

[Calthine]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arielle Nightshade wrote:<BR> <DIV>When my guild first tried the Zalak raid, we got spanked pretty badly.   We were joking that we should all sue for personal injury pain and suffering and for armor repair costs.   I told my sister (a real world mega-lawyer) the story and she said:  "Let me get this straight.  A group of you broke and entered onto this Zalak Guy's property, with intention to murder him for personal gain.  You attacked him, he killed you in self-defense...and you want to SUE?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>LOL....</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Arielle Nightshade on <SPAN class=date_text>10-04-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:57 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I like your sister <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Arielle Nightshade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Calthine wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arielle Nightshade wrote:<BR> <DIV>When my guild first tried the Zalak raid, we got spanked pretty badly.   We were joking that we should all sue for personal injury pain and suffering and for armor repair costs.   I told my sister (a real world mega-lawyer) the story and she said:  "Let me get this straight.  A group of you broke and entered onto this Zalak Guy's property, with intention to murder him for personal gain.  You attacked him, he killed you in self-defense...and you want to SUE?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>LOL....</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Arielle Nightshade on <SPAN class=date_text>10-04-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:57 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I like your sister <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You are actually very  much like her, Calth   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  You cut right to the chase in most threads...and your combination of humor and practicality is much appreciated  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[Surething]

<DIV>You're right those poor defenseless sharks never hurt anyone.  Now baby seals, there's a threat; we need to start clubbing those little menaces to death.</DIV>

[Calthine]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arielle Nightshade wrote:<BR><BR>You are actually very  much like her, Calth   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  You cut right to the chase in most threads...and your combination of humor and practicality is much appreciated  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Aw, thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[tillerman35]

<span><blockquote><hr>Arielle Nightshade wrote:On a side note:  all the house pets you can get are all coded so you cannot destroy them.  You have to find new homes for them.   As much as I'm beginning to dislike Norrath, I was touched by that clever detail. <div></div><hr></blockquote>To continue this (almost) completely unrelated topic <span>:smileywink:</span> , You can destroy a housepet by destroying the owner.  Admittedly it might be a bit of a pain, especially if it's a NO-TRADE pet and you're faced with deleting your level 50 main character.  But technically, it's possible. Oh and to bring it back to the original topic, I feel the same way as the OP about the shark-fin issue.  I understand that it's a game, but the RL equivalent is a pretty heinous act and I see no compelling reason to have it in the game.  If it were shark soup, fine.  I have no qualms about killing sharks.  At the very least, make them change the fishing reward message to "you've just fished a shark, cut off its fins, and thrown it back to bleed to death." Level 50 provisioner (retired) - So I've finned a few sharks in my time.  Always felt a bit squeamish about it though.</span><div></div>

[zorros]

In RL they dont just cut off the fins and throw it back so its made up anyway. They eat the meat,use the skin,use the blubber etc <div></div>

[kreli]

This is still laughable.... "In real life, it's a pretty horrific act" So is MURDER and that's 99% of the game you're playing. I am the only one that doesn't think that's more than a little hypocritical? <div></div>

[Calthine]

I'm still really worried about the wholesale sluaghter of sentient beings...

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

<DIV>I read this and had to laugh. I *am* a vegetarian. I find all killing of all animals for food cruel. I am not going to debate over it or try to shove it down anyone's throat. This IS a game. There is all kinds of crazy cruel animal and beast killing in it. Screw the sharks.</DIV>

[Bethin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <P>Also shark fin and shark fin soup are not just in game items but real life items as well, by SOE having them in game it signifies that they endorse these products and the methods used to make them.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You're a fool.  By your logic they endorse murder as well because people do commit murder in this game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[zorros]

Human skin hand bags and lamp shades now theres a idea for soe to add to the game <span>:smileywink:</span> Maybe i watched silence of the lambs too much. <div></div>

[Xcuetioner]

<P>In T1 zones you got turtle meat to make Turtle Soup.  Isn't that sort of the same thing?</P> <P>My children play this game and they know the difference between games & reality.  I would hope that your children will also know the difference between fishing up a shark fin and the barbaric act you describe.</P> <P>Have you swam with Dreadwake lately? He might make you change your mind about killing sharks.  lol</P>

[Barq Bandit]

<DIV>this is silly.  i understand feeling adamant about the RL practice of finning a shark, but this isn't RL.  this is a game.  this is Norrath, where the problems of shark extinction are NOT a problem.  this game has absolutely NOTHING to do with real life!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>...other than depriving all of us of massive chunks of our free time, that is.  : )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[kreli]

That's a good point. In Norrath shark finning is not a barbaric practice. In fact, I'm quite certain I've never seen a finless shark sinking to the bottom and drowning. I have seen sharks spontaneously spring into existence, and, despite my best efforts, I am unable to make them extinct... <div></div>

[cooper9280]

<P>Much ado about nothing (as some wise person once wrote)!!!  Get a grip folks, as has been pointed out, this is a GAME and occurs in a world that existed way before the world had any notions about being politically correct.  Why should we try to force our modern moral dilemas on a world that had enough to contend with just surviving.  Doesn't make any more sense than it would seeing automobiles crossing Antonica.  I'll stick with the Griffons and enjoy the rest!!!</P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by cooper9280 on <span class=date_text>10-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:15 AM</span>

[Barq Bandit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> cooper9280 wrote:<BR> <P>Much ado about nothing (as some wise person once wrote)!!!  Get a grip folks, as has been pointed out, this is a GAME and occurs in a world that existed way before the world had any notions about being politically correct.  Why should we try to force our modern moral dilemas on a world that had enough to contend with just surviving.  Doesn't make any more sense than it would seeing automobiles crossing Antonica.  I'll stick with the Griffons and enjoy the rest!!!</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>this game takes place in a world that never existed at all.  it's fantasy, not historical.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[smckean]

<DIV>OK..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   Get up off the chair in your dorm room/mom's basement.   Walk to the door, open it,  walk to the nearest  busy street.  Observe real life.   The "mutilation" you refer to is a minor facet of a game.. and it isnt even represented in a graphic form.  If you want to wave a flag, go play Grand Theft Auto.</DIV>

[comwebgr]

You probably caused the application to forget that it ever existed. Horrible!<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <P>If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer.</P> <P>I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me.</P> <P>If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory.</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[comwebgr]

It is also possible that the animated crabs ate the rest of the animated shark.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <P>If you took the deer, chopped its legs off while it was still alive and left it to die slowly over hours or days while only taking the legs to eat then yes i would have a problem with killing deer.</P> <P>I dont think you understood my post, its not the killing of the animal but the way it is tortured to death and the way that the meat is left to rot while only the fin is taken that upsets me.</P> <P>If i go to a node and retreive a shark fin i have to wonder what i did with the rest of the shark as its not in my inventory.</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Ken Sh]

<P>Don't take it too serious it's just a game. It'll lead to everlast discussion or confusion if you compare the game with real life. You make your choice on crafting an item or killing a mob it's totally yours. If you don't like making sharks fin soup or killing faires just ignore it.</P> <P>This topic reminded me something. In this game silver clusters are rare however gold clusters are common. Before removing Shark Fin, ask them to fix this first it is totally ridiculous LOL (IF you linking it up with real life). :smileyvery-happy: Peace.</P>

[BigDawgy]

mmm...More sharkfin for me! 

[lover]

I'm sorry - but you really need to STOP thinking when playing a game/watching a movie/reading a book.  The fact that we can as human beings employ the suspension of disbelief serves to illustrate why we are a creative race!  If you, and others of your *serious* tendencies, continue the way you are noone will be able to go anywhere or do anything for fear of doing something incorrect or inhumane or yada yada.  And I am guessing you drive a car and wear leather shoes etc, but of course thats justifiable =) If I wanted to roll around in the dirt of the world and give myself a heart attack or cancer worrying about all the injustices I wouldn't be playing games, I would be saving the whales and the sharks - and patting myself on the back for being such a good person while I kick the next homeless person out of my doorway =)

[TheyLi]

<DIV>All I can say is, go swim around in Sinking Sands or Everfrost for a while then tell me if you still feel for the plight of the poor, defenseless sharks.</DIV>

[Ariana217]

<DIV>Forget the sharks!  I'm more upset at the alchemists' usage of the deadly chemical dihydrogen monoxide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Make it stop!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.dhmo.org/" target=_blank>http://www.dhmo.org/</A></DIV>

[Kthaara]

<DIV>Heh.  Housepet problem?  Easy solution.  Collect all of your belongings except the pets, then relinquish the house.  Poof.  No more pets.  I guess that they either starve to death or are picked up by the Norrathian Humane Society.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't assume that Sony made them no-destroy to appease the people at PETA.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This thread is idiotic.  Don't come in to a fantasy game forum and expect real life issues to matter.  Perhaps you were looking for like-minded people to join your crusade?  rofl.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I suggest you fire up a nice game of Blues Clues instead.  Should be pretty safe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>K</DIV>

[Kthaara]

<P>So, killing a shark for its fin is worse than breaking into someones house to steal money?  After killing mobs?  Then complaining when you get pwnd?</P> <P>Here is one of your posts:</P> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>There is a tears grifter quest where you have to steal a money pouch after killing the mobs in the zone.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>When you steal the money about 4 triple down blue mobs spawn on you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>For a class that is meant to be king of ae dps i got smashed three times in a row and then deleted the quest.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Constant interrupts and the one time i did get bony grasp off it was resisted by half of them.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Almost any other class would have found this an easy quest but because of our stupidly long cast times and the sheer number of interrupts i found it impossible as a 48 warlock.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>I'm not impressed.</FONT></DIV> <P><FONT color=#ffcc00></FONT></P> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00>Shadrack 50 Warden<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I too, am not impressed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>k</DIV>

[zorros]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kthaara wrote:<div></div> <p>So, killing a shark for its fin is worse than breaking into someones house to steal money?  After killing mobs?  Then complaining when you get pwnd?</p> <p>Here is one of your posts:</p> <div><font color="#ffcc00">There is a tears grifter quest where you have to steal a money pouch after killing the mobs in the zone.</font></div> <div><font color="#ffcc00"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffcc00">When you steal the money about 4 triple down blue mobs spawn on you.</font></div> <div><font color="#ffcc00"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffcc00">For a class that is meant to be king of ae dps i got smashed three times in a row and then deleted the quest.</font></div> <div><font color="#ffcc00"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffcc00">Constant interrupts and the one time i did get bony grasp off it was resisted by half of them.</font></div> <div><font color="#ffcc00"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffcc00">Almost any other class would have found this an easy quest but because of our stupidly long cast times and the sheer number of interrupts i found it impossible as a 48 warlock.</font></div> <div><font color="#ffcc00"></font> </div> <div><font color="#ffcc00">I'm not impressed.</font></div> <p><font color="#ffcc00"></font></p> <div><font color="#ffcc00">Shadrack 50 Warden</font></div> <div> </div> <div>I too, am not impressed.</div> <div> </div> <div>k</div><hr></blockquote>lol enough said i think <span>:smileytongue:</span></span><div></div>

[Thunderchick]

Try telling all the people that have lost an arm, leg, etc to a shark in rl how you feel about this not some gamers in a fantasy world.

[valkyrja]

I think it's funny that this caught your attention, and not the killing of countless creatures, and people.<div></div>

[Tayros]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Calthine wrote:<BR> <P>Okay.  I understand your altruism, but I still think you're over-reacting.  It's a game.  Do we have to worry about the hole in the Ozone layer that Lunclin's explosion has caused?   Or the rampant poaching of badgers?  Or the exploitation of gnolls, which are not an inferior race as generally assumed, but rational, thinking peoples with their own society and lore?</P> <HR> <P>I'm still really worried about the wholesale sluaghter of sentient beings... </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#33cc00>[Removed for Content]!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#33cc00>This is the funniest thread of the week. Calthine you're on a roll! no pun intended. Put this in the treasure chest!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#33cc00>The original poster has my thinking though that every animal on the planet has it's place: right next to the mashed potatoes...</FONT><BR></P>

[Thibor24]

<P>To those who have read my post and responded thank you.</P> <P>I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.</P> <P>For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you.</P> <P> </P>

[Tayros]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <P>To those who have read my post and responded thank you.</P> <P>I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.</P> <P>For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you.</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#339900>Hey T, no one is calling you anything, it's good to have conviction. I was a die hard vegan for 2+ years, and my toon sucks down dried meat and water every meal!!! You gotta admit, this is a funny thread though!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#339900>There's no ESRB rating for "Politically Correct".</FONT></P>

[griffens cl]

<P>k, i don't want to make people mad or anything, but to me this issue does seem a little silly...keep in mind that that is my opinion, and in no way meant to disparage the beliefs of the OP.</P> <P>perhaps the sharkfins that are fished up merely come from recently deceased sharks that have been eaten by other sharks? i mean, all we see is our toon throwing out his/her fishing line, and poof! you have fished a shark fin! if our toons were really fishing sharks, i'd sort of expect to see the message "you have fished a shark" appear, and then a shark to spawn BAM on top of us and start attacking. would definitely make fishing a little more exciting...</P> <P>anyhow, i can't really see that the shark fins used in our recipes are coming off of live sharks, as if our puny lines could pull the fins off, and if it is meant that our toons are really catching a live shark, shucking off the fins, and throwing it back, i'd sort of expect to see that...</P> <P>i don't really think it encourages the practice of finning, as i really don't think very many people even thought of this until it was brought up in this thread. i certainly don't feel the urge to go out and hack the fins off a shark just because i fished a fin in this game lol</P> <P>meh, i ramble, i know, but that's just what i think...although i do agree that this really is just a fantasy game, and no amount of rationalization or logic is going to make it comparable to real life morals or ethics when considering the source of crafting raws lol</P>

[XtremSummo]

<P>Lol I love that this thread is still going. Seeing whether the shark fin debate (or one sided lambasting of the OP) is still going puts a smile on my face in the morning when I check the forums... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>X</P>

[zorros]

<span><blockquote><hr>XtremSummons wrote:<p>Lol I love that this thread is still going. Seeing whether the shark fin debate (or one sided lambasting of the OP) is still going puts a smile on my face in the morning when I check the forums... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>X</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Ifeel the same way, </span><div></div>

[Barq Bandit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <P>To those who have read my post and responded thank you.</P> <P>I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.</P> <P>For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you.</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>The change itself would not be unreasonably difficult, no.  But there are some reasons why the suggestion is laughable.</DIV> <OL> <LI>If the Devs catered to your trivial request, then they would open themselves up to having to cater to every last little politically-correct, moral-squad, over-reacting, tree-hugging notion that popped into the heads of every single one of their several thousand subscribers.</LI> <LI>Everquest is not real.</LI> <LI>The sharks are not real.</LI> <LI>The shark fins are not real.</LI> <LI>The imaginary shark fins aren't obtained through slaying sharks, imaginary or real, in any way or form.</LI> <LI>It would take time away from genuinely needed changes to the game, like putting <EM>breaded flounder</EM> in the lvl 6 Provisioner recipe book where it <EM>belongs</EM>!</LI></OL> <DIV>And thank the gods for that breaded flounder move.  I don't think I could have endured another day with it being in the wrong place.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[XtremSummo]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Quote: I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You're missing the main issue entirely which would be: Where do you draw the line?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>You say in your original post: "This encourages the barbaric practice of finning". You have to show this though. In what way does the presence of Shark Fin and shark-fin soup in the game encourage the practice of Shark Finning in real life? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You're assuming that the contents of this game seriously and deeply affect the way that players go about forming real-life moral judgements. That having shark's-fin soup in the game is likely to make people more likely to eat it in real life and thus support the barbaric slaughter of shark. But exactly why would this be so? As others point out there are all sorts of things in the game that may be morally objectionable that we don't expect players to replicate in real life - why would this thing be so influential where the others aren't?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you say that having Shark Fin in the game can encourage the practice of finning in real life, then how do you answer those people who try to have games like this banned on the basis that they encourage people to be violent in real life?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If your basic premise is accepted, then that opens the door to all sorts of other things that would have to be banned from the game - and possibly the game itself being banned. Basic things like encouraging hunting of wildlife for meat and pelts would be seriously objected to by my vegan sister - and others in this thread have given you many other examples that range from sensible counter-examples to more exaggerated (but just as valid) ones.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not enough to look at the game through your own eyes and say "Those things don't need to be banned - but shark's-fin does" because other people may look at the game through quite different eyes and want the game or basic elements of the game itself banned. So in the end, establishing the principle of removing items from game based on requests such as these could very well affect other people's game play. Not by removing shark's fins themselves... but by establishing a precedent through which many other game elements may be attacked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The question isn't really why shouldn't SoE change it. The question is why should they? If you could show that having it in-game encouraged the practice of shark-finning in real life, then OK, take it out.... but if you could show that, then the game itself wouldn't exist because it'd have been closed down for all sorts of other things soon thereafter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>X</DIV></DIV>

[Katie B]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Barq Bandit wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <P>To those who have read my post and responded thank you.</P> <P>I realise this may be a non issue or seem silly to many but its how i feel and as i dont think the change would affect anyones gameplay i think it ok to ask for the raw and recipe to be changed.</P> <P>For those who abuse me or call me hypocrit or an idiot for having an opinion different from your own i feel sorry for you and those around you.</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>The change itself would not be unreasonably difficult, no.  But there are some reasons why the suggestion is laughable.</DIV> <OL> <LI>If the Devs catered to your trivial request, then they would open themselves up to having to cater to every last little politically-correct, moral-squad, over-reacting, tree-hugging notion that popped into the heads of every single one of their several thousand subscribers.</LI> <LI>Everquest is not real.</LI> <LI>The sharks are not real.</LI> <LI>The shark fins are not real.</LI> <LI>The imaginary shark fins aren't obtained through slaying sharks, imaginary or real, in any way or form.</LI> <LI>It would take time away from genuinely needed changes to the game, like putting <EM>breaded flounder</EM> in the lvl 6 Provisioner recipe book where it <EM>belongs</EM>!</LI></OL> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>And thank the gods for that breaded flounder move.  I don't think I could have endured another day with it being in the wrong place.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffff>/Cheers Barq !!!!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Breaded Flounder</FONT> is soon to become the staple food of the game! Well... that is unless PETA steps in and request a change. After all, PETA says people should not fish at all because of the pain the fish endure while being caught.</DIV> <DIV>OMG!! The thought of <FONT color=#ffff00>Breaded Flounder</FONT> not being in the game is enough to drive a girl to brink of  /delete !</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nice reply Barq....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Now remind me if you will... This<FONT color=#66ff00>  IS a</FONT> <FONT color=#66ff33>game</FONT> right? I mean, there are lots of games out there that have a social interaction within the game that do not involve killing/slaying/maming of animals or people right? I have seen the ones where you build roller coasters, cities, even the ones where you make a family and have a garden! But the fact remains, nobody twists anyone's arm to subscribe to any game, and if things within the structure of a game personally affect someone and their belief system, they should quit. If someone were against the death penalty, would they play a game that made them an prison warden?</DIV> <DIV>/shrug... I dunno... I respect the way everyone believes to a point, so good luck with your march to remove shark fin. I am sure you will get that pretty close to the same time we get t6 food fixed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Omonus... Hunter of the <FONT color=#ffff00>Ubber Flounder</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>PS... If I have failed to thank  SOE for making us feel so special for being subscribers and provisioners, well it was intentional.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>I do thank you for finally fixing that flounder issue! It troubled me all the way to lvl 60!</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[notxab]

<span><font face="Arial" size="4">Freak.  But I see it is ok to deforest Norrath for your craft.</font></span> <hr>Shadrack 50 Warden <font color="#ffff00"><b>46 Carpenter</b></font> Of Dracos Argent <hr> <div></div>

[Kthaara]

<P>OMG.  I hadn't even thought about the forests.  I am sure that the defense to that is that all of the lumber harvested is from "felled" trees.  Perhaps we can start putting tin spikes in the felled lumber to discourage harvesting them?</P> <P>What about the Antonican Wood Cutters?  They are non-aggro and are obviously just out trying to make a few copper for their families.  I suppose I should wipe the zone of them every time I log in.......just to be safe.</P> <P>K</P> <P> </P> <P>I too, love the fact that this post is still alive.</P>

[Jillybean]

<P>*marches with a save the pixels sign* hey...if we don't think of the pixels being killed daily in EQII...who will?</P>

[notxab]

Pixels are people, too. <div></div>

[Ironmeow]

<DIV>i agree with the op, my fishing skill is way too low and im not paying taht 10cp for a sharkfin.</DIV>

[notxab]

Ah ha!  I knew the OP had a hidden agenda.  She didn't care about the poor sharks.  She was just concerned about the bottom dollar.  Thanks for pointing that out Ironmeow. <span><blockquote><hr>Ironmeow wrote:<div>i agree with the op, my fishing skill is way too low and im not paying taht 10cp for a sharkfin.</div><hr></blockquote></span> <div></div>

[Keir]

<DIV>Working towards a degree in environmental biology, I understand your sentiments. But really now, even if this does influence a few kids to think that finning sharks is ok, when would they ever have the opportunity to do it? It is illegal just about everywhere (except for parts of asia), and I don't think I've ever been somewhere that serves shark fin anything.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I don't see where throwing them back or keeping them makes a real difference. Either way, they die a horrible death. Would you rather asphyxiate or bleed to death? I think throwing them back might be better for the environment, thousands of organisms could feed from a single body.</DIV>

[zorros]

I'm sure the orcs dont like there spines of hearts being ripped out and examined just so we can get a nice book for our room. But its only a game<span>:smileywink:</span> For all that say orcs arn't real i agree but dwarf's are and we kill them. <div></div>

[FatherThyme]

<DIV>Had to share this...  was reading your post to my 13 yr old son, and when I was done, my 6 yr old son says from the other side of the room "It's just a game, dude!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The wisdom of children <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Littl]

Im going to try to argue your point respectively.I don't agree. I fish alot in tis game and when I fished up a shark fin I didn't think anything of it because that's all that happened. You see your point could make more sense if it showed med actually commiting the act in detail or show a video of the precedure by mutilating a shark. But you never even get to see a shark, all you see is a fin icon. I dont even look it till im done gathering and look at my inventory. I didn't even know that people did that with shark fins until you told me. I have heard of dolphin fins being eaten in real life in antartica or something but not sharks and I am willing to bet that almost virtually 99% of people that fish in this game are not thinking of sharks being mutilated for a fin. So in conclusion, nothing actually happens. Again, if it showed a video or a detailed action when you fished up a shark fun, actually cutting it off and such, your point could stand a chance.I fear that if you are offended by such a thing that is not even happening in the game that you are offended too easily and make yourself worried. All that happens is a fishing pole dips in the water and once in a while a fin icon shows up.

[PballinRebel]

<DIV>Ok, Dude i was just cruisin along trying to find where the provie society is cuz im a new provie n cant find it... then i see this topic! God Bless America for idiots! I work as a Mate on a charter boat... i fish for a living. do you know what i do with sharks? </DIV> <DIV>1. i hook them with a hook that has a diameter of about the size of your pinkie finger.</DIV> <DIV>2. i fight them as long as possible to give the PAYING customers a good show.</DIV> <DIV>3. </DIV> <DIV>      a. if they are small enough i load them into my boat n slap them cross the head with my billy bat n throw them in the cooler.</DIV> <DIV>      b. if they are too big i keep them alongside the boat for all the PAYING customers to get pictures... they dont mind he is prolly in alot of pain, then i cut the line n send him on his way with some new jewlery ( a brand new stainless steel non-rusting sharkhook).</DIV> <DIV>4. with the smaller sharks i throw them into my cooler FILLED with ICE! and wait till we get back to port.</DIV> <DIV>5. at port i gracefully sling the shark(s) onto a board overlooking the boat with nails sticking about 5 inches out and stick them through the eyes.</DIV> <DIV>6. the PAYING customers take pictures n share horror stories.</DIV> <DIV>7. i take the hook(s) out of the shark(s) (there like 5 Bills ea.) and throw them into the harbor and tell the customers they are no good to eat because i do not want to clean them.</DIV> <DIV>8. the sharks are then just simple lowered to the bottom of the food chain where crabs, trashfish, and all sorts of other crap will eat it!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thats what pisses me off bout u PETA ppl! theres this thing, it's called a Food Chain! in Nature Nothing is wasted.... those poor defenseless sharks that were finned could have just fed the King Crab your Eating it's last meal!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Go get a life n stop worring about some immaginary shark you never see get finned! Its a game!</DIV> <DIV>hmmm... what if nobody killed shaks? surfing would go from sport to Xtreme-Sport!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. ive never felt any remorse about throwing any shark or fish back in my job... i realize nothing is wasted and im just doing my job as a human keeping Nature in balance.</DIV>

[Orjak]

<P>Jesus Christ people - it's a GAME.  A GAME.  A highly addictive game, yes - but this is insane!! I can understand flame threads and quibbling, but people reacting this way over a harvested component called shark fin?  ........please.</P> <P> </P> <P>Lukaron Gunadain - Leader of GODS</P> <P>46 Templar, 26 Provisioner - Lavastorm</P> <P> </P> <P>Get a life.</P>

[Calthine]

I can't believe this thread is still going, lol.

[aeuwave]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arielle Nightshade wrote:<BR>On a side note:  all the house pets you can get are all coded so you cannot destroy them.  You have to find new homes for them.   As much as I'm beginning to dislike Norrath, I was touched by that clever detail. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>You have exploiters to thank for that. :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One a real note, if Sony makes all these changes they need to make a change to the female graphics. What is this telling people? That women are tiny with large breasts? My dark elf is probably 4-5 feet, with an 17 inch waist and an F cup. Is this how people think women should look and must? Notice no one really plays troll or ogre women...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then I realise oh it is just a game. It is not real life. Does this mean sony supports women being viewed in this light and think it is ugly/unattractive for a woman to be more "womanly"? Isn't making women look like this and less real a way of just continuing the cycle of how women must look in the media? I don't know. You have no idea why they put this in the game or why they use shark fins or anything for that matter. They are just trying to make their game enjoyable and it is impossible to make it 100% PC for everyone. It will always be impossible to please everyone. </DIV>

[Darkd]

How is defending the poor leggless frogs across Norath?? <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And what is wrong with a 4 foot woman with F cups??  Sounds like a perfect woman to me.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Darkdog on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:10 AM</span>

[LightHor]

<P>Can I influence or convince you all to move these conversations over to the "10,000 post" thread.</P> <P>We need the volume. LOL</P> <P> </P>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<span><blockquote><hr>discord37 wrote:<div>I read this and had to laugh. I *am* a vegetarian. I find all killing of all animals for food cruel. I am not going to debate over it or try to shove it down anyone's throat. This IS a game. There is all kinds of crazy cruel animal and beast killing in it. Screw the sharks.</div><hr></blockquote> <font color="#339900">Well said ! Exactly what I think. *goes back to halfling-ganking in EL* </font><font color="#339900"></font></span><div></div>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<span><blockquote><hr>PballinRebel wrote:<div>Ok, Dude i was just cruisin along trying to find where the provie society is cuz im a new provie n cant find it... then i see this topic! God Bless America for idiots! I work as a Mate on a charter boat... i fish for a living. do you know what i do with sharks? </div> <div>1. i hook them with a hook that has a diameter of about the size of your pinkie finger.</div> <div>2. i fight them as long as possible to give the PAYING customers a good show.</div> <div>3. </div> <div>      a. if they are small enough i load them into my boat n slap them cross the head with my billy bat n throw them in the cooler.</div> <div>      b. if they are too big i keep them alongside the boat for all the PAYING customers to get pictures... they dont mind he is prolly in alot of pain, then i cut the line n send him on his way with some new jewlery ( a brand new stainless steel non-rusting sharkhook).</div> <div>4. with the smaller sharks i throw them into my cooler FILLED with ICE! and wait till we get back to port.</div> <div>5. at port i gracefully sling the shark(s) onto a board overlooking the boat with nails sticking about 5 inches out and stick them through the eyes.</div> <div>6. the PAYING customers take pictures n share horror stories.</div> <div>7. i take the hook(s) out of the shark(s) (there like 5 Bills ea.) and throw them into the harbor and tell the customers they are no good to eat because i do not want to clean them.</div> <div>8. the sharks are then just simple lowered to the bottom of the food chain where crabs, trashfish, and all sorts of other crap will eat it!</div> <div> </div> <div>thats what pisses me off bout u PETA ppl! theres this thing, it's called a Food Chain! in Nature Nothing is wasted.... those poor defenseless sharks that were finned could have just fed the King Crab your Eating it's last meal!</div> <div> </div> <div>Go get a life n stop worring about some immaginary shark you never see get finned! Its a game!</div> <div>hmmm... what if nobody killed shaks? surfing would go from sport to Xtreme-Sport!</div> <div> </div> <div>P.S. ive never felt any remorse about throwing any shark or fish back in my job... i realize nothing is wasted and im just doing my job as a human keeping Nature in balance.</div><hr></blockquote><font color="#339900">Uh, while I wholy disagree with the OP, I completely disagree with you as well.</font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900">First, this has nothing to do as an argument on a GAME's forum.</font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900">Second, how's it in Nature's order or food chain or whatever that you fish with a frickin boat and hooks ? Were you born with them ? I don't disagree with fishing, but wasting is something else. We don't HAVE to rush every other specie to extinction, you know, we still can learn a great deal from them.</font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900">No need to get to either end of the spectrum, extremism is always the worse choice. Always. Open a book about History.</font> </span><div></div>

[grymmstone]

That does it I am becoming an in game Vegen!!!! Now gimmee my darn Tofu and Timneh to craft with.

[HolyAvengerOne]

<span><blockquote><hr>grymmstone wrote:That does it I am becoming an in game Vegen!!!! Now gimmee my darn Tofu and Timneh to craft with. <div></div><hr></blockquote><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900">No, no tofu for you, its bad for your Mental resist <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></span><div></div>

[hammong]

<DIV>With all the sharks out there that want to eat ME, I have no problem eating THEM.     This game is all about killing endangered species for fun and profit.   If we take shark fin soup out of the mix, whats next?    The tigers, lions, elephants, rhinoceros, sea turtles, predatory hawks, giant bats, and badgers too? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I say kill em all, as long as you eat what you kill.   We are provisioners after all.  =)</DIV>

[BigDawgy]

<DIV>I say "Yummy Soup"</DIV>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<span><blockquote><hr>hammong wrote:<div>With all the sharks out there that want to eat ME, I have no problem eating THEM.     This game is all about killing endangered species for fun and profit.   If we take shark fin soup out of the mix, whats next?    The tigers, lions, elephants, rhinoceros, sea turtles, predatory hawks, giant bats, and badgers too? </div> <div> </div> <div>I say kill em all, as long as you eat what you kill.   We are provisioners after all.  =)</div><hr></blockquote><font color="#339900">Yeah, I sooo know what you mean. I married a provisioner and she's always like "oh honey, can you gank some more sharks 4 me ?" and like "oh dear, can't you just grief some more liioooooonns, oh pretty please ?". You know. So [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] species preservation, you know <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></span><div></div>

[XtremSummo]

<DIV>Oh great it's still going! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>* settles down into a comfee chair with a glass of wine and Provisioners' Weekly to enjoy the ongoing show...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>X</DIV>

[Biggles72]

www.eathufu.com now where are my recipes for baby seal. <div></div>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<span><font color="#339900">Biggles, I like the depth of the tought in your sig. Probably used more brainpower to come up with that then many other people have put in their whole posting history. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </font></span><div></div>

[Biggles72]

wish I could claim credit for it, but I stole it from someone else. <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<span><blockquote><hr>Biggles7268 wrote:wish I could claim credit for it, but I stole it from someone else. <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div><hr></blockquote><font color="#339900">EVIL !!! You stole it !! O. M. G. you are <i>soooooooo</i> gonna get banned when I report you !!!</font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900">This isn't right ! Remove stealing from the game !!!</font></span><div></div>

[Biggles72]

I didn't steal in game, got it from some guy over on slashdot. <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div>

[Glennai]

I know this is completely OT, but the quote (to the best of my knowledge anyway) is originally from a Terry Pratchett book, although I forget which one. Happy to be of virtually no help. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> /me crawls back into cave. <div></div>

[illum]

<UL> <LI>maybe the shark was mutilated and you found the fin on the beach</LI> <LI>crab meat is pretty cruel also...you have to dunk them into boiling water to firm the flesh to remove</LI> <LI>it's Norrath...maybe shark fin is a creature :smileyhappy:</LI> <LI>genocide...it happens all through the game</LI> <LI>dont know where you get your info, but sharks are killed for more than just the fin</LI> <UL> <LI>nearly the whole shark is used when they're killed</LI> <UL> <LI>the fins are used in soups</LI> <LI>if you use fish oil pills, good chance it's from a shark's liver</LI> <LI>eye transplant (I kid you not)</LI> <LI>lipstick and skin care products</LI></UL></UL> <LI>it's usually poachers that just go for the fin...and i doubt finding sharkfin on the game is going to cause most people to suddenly desire to become poachers...if it does, those few need serious help</LI></UL><p>Message Edited by illumin on <span class=date_text>11-30-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:39 PM</span>

[Pipp]

This is the most rediculous thing I have ever seen.  You must work for PETA because only someone in that whacko of a group could even remotely link something so benign to real life issues.<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/jasonmicron/15841.jpg"><div></div>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<span><blockquote><hr>Pipple wrote:This is the most rediculous thing I have ever seen.  You must work for PETA because only someone in that whacko of a group could even remotely link something so benign to real life issues.<div></div><hr></blockquote><font color="#339900">I love this argument. </font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900"> </font><font color="#339900">/steal_argument <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></span><div></div>

[Pipp]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>Well hey since this thread was already started by a troll (at least I HOPE it was a troll) why don't we add in this argument?  It seems to be acceptable considering the OP:What about shark killers that now play EQ2 as Provisioners as a means of shaving off the fins and throwing away the remains?  I mean, those real life shark shavers play this game and they need an outlet for this kind of mutilation. If SoE takes away this kind of outlet these people just *might* go back to doing it in real life!SHOCKER!<p>Message Edited by Pipple on <span class=date_text>12-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:41 AM</span>

[Greml]

<P>Someone please give me a hand so we can successfully extract his head from his [Removed for Content]. It's just a game so get a grip damnit. What happens to sharks in RL has NOTHING to do with what happens here in game!!! How long has it been since you actually exited your cave and seen this is (much to our dismay),  just a game? Please, someone throw me a towel so I soak up his tears to keep the dog from slipping in it.  Maybe we should think more along the lines of a CT scan so we can see which direction his head is facing, while its up his [Removed for Content], so we can shove him a breathing tube. Sounds like he's 36 rounds shy of a 40 round clip. Someone cap him so it puts the rest of us out of our misery from his stupid S**T!!!</P> <P> </P> <P>Lorado</P> <P> </P> <P>If it's not dead I havnt been there yet.</P>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<DIV>Ok, while we're at it:</DIV> <DIV>Remove Tigers from the game, they're an endangered species (and the [Removed for Content] get in the way while i'm harvesting t6 junk)</DIV> <DIV>Remove Wolfs, some species of wolfs are endangered!</DIV> <DIV>Remove bears, some bears are endangered!</DIV> <DIV>Remove halflings and gnomes and dwarves, they're offensive to little people/midgets</DIV> <DIV>Remove ogres and barbarians, they're offensive to athletes, characterizing them as big dumb brutes with no int or wis.</DIV> <DIV>Remove Kerras, they're offensive to some cats.</DIV> <DIV>Remove people, we're offensive to aliens.</DIV> <DIV>Destroy the computer you are playing on, it's offensive to amish people</DIV> <DIV>Remove swords and weapons, otherwise this game teaches children how to kill people with swords</DIV> <DIV>Remove ale, it teaches children that it's a good idea to chug down a few ales before you go off and slaughter hordes of endangered species.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You see, if you removed every little thing that offended someone in the least we would have no game, being politically correct has no place in any kind of video game.</DIV>

[abstrac]

<DIV>"Yes its a game but the game character is played by a person using their morals and ethics."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My in-game role is generally "evil". That's the fun of roleplaying, we can let out aspects of ourselves that are bad without harming anyone nor anything. My morals and ethics have very little to do with what happens in a game setting. It's fantasy, and humans ARE brutal predator animals in the real world no matter how civilized they shape their worldly actions. These games, they are ALL about killing things. Death, murder, slaughter. That's the way us animal predators release deep down urges, and we are all like this no matter how much we lie to ourselves and others. I know you enjoy killing at least deep down, you're here in a game that revolves around murder now aren't you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Humans are the most brutal animals on this planet, that's just the fact of things. It's better to have these urges dealt with in a game then acted upon in life. That is what roleplaying is all about. Who roleplays as themselves?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's not roleplaying, that's pure laziness.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I won't go around in the real world killing things for pleasure, but I do so in game on my evil characters. Evil is a lot more "fun" to play then my actual life persona, I tend to play a lot of "evil" characters. In this game that means Freeport, which is some mutation of how it is in the bigger cities in the USA. Yeah, that is actually how rude people are around here where I live, disrespectful, out for themselves, greedy, and often sadistic.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Getting worked up over killing sharks in game is absurd. Especially considering I can't stand playing games as a human character, so I don't de-fin anything then let the animal drown. My Troll has no problem devouring the whole [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] beast, and my dark elves laugh at your dismay over the suffering they so gleefully induce. My ogre would just kill them all for the sake of killing them all, and my ratonga is indifferent to the whole thing and probably a little frightened of sharks anyway. As for my Iksar, well he delights in the fear, the smell, the taste, the whole terror filled experince of the victim.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Roleplaying. These were roleplaying games at one time you know, and they still are to those that grew up without computers and to some that did.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw, yes I have eaten Shark MEAT in real life over in Morro Bay, Cali. It's quite tasty, but not something I'd have often.</DIV><p>Message Edited by abstractx on <span class=date_text>12-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:47 AM</span>

[Calthine]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> abstractx wrote:<BR> <DIV> Who roleplays as themselves?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's not roleplaying, that's pure laziness.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I'm gonna save that one.<BR>

[abstrac]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Calthine wrote: <P>I'm gonna save that one.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV> <DIV>:smileyvery-happy: Hmm, and here I thought nobody read my drivel, as it's always too lengthy and mostly articulate.<BR></DIV>

[Calthine]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> abstractx wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileyvery-happy: Hmm, and here I thought nobody read my drivel, as it's always too lengthy and mostly articulate.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Oh, I was supposed to read the WHOLE thing???  :smileytongue:</DIV>

[abstrac]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Calthine wrote: Oh, I was supposed to read the WHOLE thing???  :smileytongue: <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>     I'm a speed reader, they don't look that big to me until I hit preview. Sorry. :smileysad:</DIV>

[Xcuetioner]

<DIV>Please don't be sorry.  Articulateness (ok, so it's not REALLY a word) needs to be encouraged and applauded. /applauds & cheers  I love what you had to say and agree with all of it. My ogre would really enjoy shark slinging.</DIV>

[Calthine]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xcuetioner wrote:<BR> <DIV>Articulateness (ok, so it's not REALLY a word)<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I'll be darned, it IS a word!  <STRONG>ar·tic<IMG height=22 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gif" width=4>u·late·ness</STRONG> or <B>ar·tic<IMG height=22 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gif" width=4>u·la·cy</B> (-l<IMG height=15 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gif" width=6>-s<IMG height=15 alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/emacr.gif" width=7>) <I>n. <A href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=articulateness" target=_blank>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=articulateness</A></I></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV>And I agree <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Tchtch]

This thread has become something of a warm fuzzy blanket for me. It never fails to make me smile or lightly chortle on even the most dreary of days.

[StoneySilen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I was happily levelling a provisioner until i reached t4 and started to fish for resources and look through the recipes i would get.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was shocked to see shark fins as resources and shark fin soup as a recipe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This encourages the barbaric practice of finning where the tastless fins (cartilage) are cut from the fish and the still living animal is thrown back where it sinks to the bottom and suffocates slowly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The cruelty and waste is horrific not to mention many shark species are endangered and 90% of large fish stocks have been depleted in the last 100 years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would hope my children can grow up to dive and see these creatures, I know i have enjoyed this myself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please remove these components and recipes from the game and replace with something that does not reflect such an abhorent practice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not a vegetarian and enjoy eating fish but if you spend any time researching this practice you will agree its horribly cruel and waseful.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So should we remove Elephants from EQ2 because they are endangered?  How about Crocs?  Rhino's?  Where does it stop?

[abstrac]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Tchtch wrote:<BR>This thread has become something of a warm fuzzy blanket for me. It never fails to make me smile or lightly chortle on even the most dreary of days.<BR> <HR> <P>It's too bad Thibor24 doesn't pop back in again, but I understand that when one says all one has to say about a subject there is little point to adding anything else. Strange how a supposed "serious" thread (or a blatant attempt to get reactions out of people) is a nice light hearted affair, while trivial matters revolving around game mechanics cause people to boil over. :smileyhappy:</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>

[Captain Apple Darkberry]

<P><FONT color=#ff6633>Ya ever had sharkfin soup...?  Its yummy...:smileyvery-happy:</FONT></P> <P> </P> <P><FONT color=#ff6633>So there's another dead fish...   ...he sure tasted good.</FONT></P>

[Creyzee]

<DIV>Unfortunately, I don't find this thread funny. I think it is pathetic and the OP should not play these types of games. Just pathetic.</DIV>

[DeaconB]

<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">  I am an inquisitor.This means that I do not directly kill things, rather I test their faith. This test often proves lethal for those being tested. By testing the faith of those I encounter, I am part of a greater good, one day our gods shall return, and then on that day of judgment, the faithful shall be rewarded.. Only the cleansing fire will prove your innocence. Only the continual testing of the children of the land shall cull the weak and unfaithful.I light hundreds of things a week on fire, I stand and watch them die a slow and painful death. It is sad they must loose their faith.I do not enjoy some aspects of my job, but I find solstice in the knowledge that I am doing my part.I test their faith, and finding them weak I then mash them to death with my little hammer until they are a burned, charred pile of flesh in front of me. Then often I  cut portions of their flesh, and cook it, serving it to my <span class="285564816-09122005">flock </span>with tea or coffee.I have personally been the instrument of destruction, the hand of god in the painful but righteous deaths of over <span class="field_data_large">4,000 creatures</span>.I have ripped the wings of fairies, stolen broaches from old ladies. I have killed people while they sleep, and preyed upon innocent immigrants.I have fished bodies of water until they where barren.I killed a nice young but disturbed fisherwoman, at night along a deserted road. Her faith was lacking.I have raised the dead, and destroyed them.I have watched adventures die, simply because it amused me. They lost faith in their way, and for that, deserved death.Sadly I could not harvest their meat to make into food for the faithful. I have ripped the toes from giants before their hearts had finished beating, I have preyed upon the proud majestic griffins, and once they had ceased to exist, I tracked down dozens of their young, and destroyed them.I enter areas where the fauna cower from me in fear, and laughing I slay them, all the while harvesting their pretty flowers and coffee beans. Fear show a lack of faith, and shall not be tolerated.There is no manner of creature that is safe, for in time, they all shall feel the warm embrace of my judging fire. They shall feel the remorse of their ways, and they shall all face a day of judgment.I have <span class="441215816-09122005">yet to test the faith of a shark</span>, however, in time I am certain that they too will feel the cleansing of my fire.<span class="441215816-09122005"> The guilty ones shall fail, and shall be harvested.</span>If they fall before me, it only serves to prove their guilt, and therefore their<span class="441215816-09122005"> need to be removed from the populace.</span></font></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><font><span class="441215816-09122005"></span><span class="441215816-09122005"></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">I<span class="441215816-09122005">f I prevail over them, it is my faith being rewarded, and the plunder is a sign from a greater power that I have done well.</span>A monster? Guilty?No, I am none of these.I am an inquisitor, I am the uncontrolled wrath of a god long ago gone mad.This land of unfaithful heathens has much more to worry about now than shark fins.Anfy, the Froglok Inquisitor, coming soon to test a faith near you!...the fire only burns the guilty...usually..</font></font></font></div>

[Moredecay]

I <u><b>LOVE</b></u> this thread! <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div>

[Darkefang]

I say get rid of shark fins just because there aren't enough recipes that use them.  <div></div>

[grymmstone]

/shudder... Anfy you just scare me. And I definately agree the the original poster should IMMEDIATELY terminate his/her account in protest to this sickening practice that is in game. OOOOOOO wait please send all loot and in game coin to Grymmstone@highkeep , then delete character and terminate account.

[Impetus]

<span><blockquote><hr>StoneySilence wrote: So should we remove Elephants from EQ2 because they are endangered?  How about Crocs?  Rhino's?  Where does it stop? <div></div><hr></blockquote> Halflings. They deserve their endangered status. <span>:smileysurprised:</span></span><div></div>

[ApDa]

We should remove all the quests from the game that involve the killing of animals.  Then we can replace them with quests that involve petting as many as possible.  Then we can add quests where we hug trees.  OH OH and instead of heritage quests we should get really cool items and gear for organizing big hugging circles where we all meet up and sing kum bay ya.  <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why do hippies try and ruin everything.  I think cartman said it best.  "Always talking about peace and love but all they wanna do is smoke weed and smell bad" or something like that.</DIV>

[Lleinen]

<P>I grill kittens alive, cause I dont like them.</P> <P>I cut lobsters in half while alive, because when you cook em like that, they taste better.</P> <P>Dog doesnt taste too good, make sure you skin em alive next time.</P> <P>My computer desk is made of ivory.</P> <P>I wear fur coats, am I a bad person?  Its freakin cold here!</P> <P>Baby seals baby shmeals.</P> <P>I think sharks look better without fins.</P> <P>Am I really a bad person!?</P>

[Grra]

I don't know about you, but the fish I have seen in EL have just been playing tug of war with shark fins that apparantly have been shed by the deeper water sharks. I merely hava been taking that toy away from them because it's bad for their teeth.

[Nuhus]

The Dark Elves made me do it, they like it... I can't help it, I live to serve them. <div></div>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<font color="#339900">Happy holidays Shark Fins !</font> <div></div>

[Shotguns]

<span><blockquote><hr>Thibor24 wrote:<div>I was happily levelling a provisioner until i reached t4 and started to fish for resources and look through the recipes i would get.</div> <div> </div> <div>I was shocked to see shark fins as resources and shark fin soup as a recipe.</div> <div> </div> <div>This encourages the barbaric practice of finning where the tastless fins (cartilage) are cut from the fish and the still living animal is thrown back where it sinks to the bottom and suffocates slowly.</div> <div> </div> <div>The cruelty and waste is horrific not to mention many shark species are endangered and 90% of large fish stocks have been depleted in the last 100 years.</div> <div> </div> <div>I would hope my children can grow up to dive and see these creatures, I know i have enjoyed this myself.</div> <div> </div> <div>Please remove these components and recipes from the game and replace with something that does not reflect such an abhorent practice.</div> <div> </div> <div>I am not a vegetarian and enjoy eating fish but if you spend any time researching this practice you will agree its horribly cruel and waseful.</div><hr></blockquote>then dont be wastful and use the whole shark...stop crying.</span><div></div>

[Calthine]

three months, this thread won't die...  /chuckle

[Nuhus]

*chuckles* It reminds me of the "." thread. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[XtremSummo]

<DIV>Reminds you of the "." thread???? Can't you see the deep significance and earth-threateningly important cultural impact of this thread?!?!??!?!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The "." thread was vapid and insignificant in comparison. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>X</DIV>

[Dannd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sunlei wrote:<BR> <P> Then I think about what country owns sony. I think about how they treat the dolphins, how they deal with unwanted pets (theres a 'mail slot' you dump the unwanted pet into) the cage is cleared once a week. animals are not fed or watered.  I think about that countries new meat plant in the usa, that takes the wild horses off BLM lands. Gives them their first ride packed into a double decker truck, packed panicing for a 48 hour ride to the plant where they are dragged in the air by one hind foot, alive. For horse steaks in sonylands. A history of cruelty toward humans. A history of cruelty to animals.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hmmm...I lived in Japan for four years, and never seen any of these "mail slots" you speak of.  Or, did you read that in an e-mail that followed another that stated you will earn 1 million dollars if you forward this to 80 people?  Please, give me a break.<BR>

[Hawgeous]

LOLOL, great thread keep it up, sorry gotta go kick the cat, oh nm, can't do that anymore, guess I'll just have to go duel a ratonga guildy. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Barq Bandit]

<DIV>*looks up from her hot, steaming bowl of sharkfin soup*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>hrm?  you guys still at this?  silly people...  why not enjoy a nice bowl of soup together and be friends?  i'll make some right now!  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>   - Disha</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <p>Message Edited by Barq Bandit on <span class=date_text>12-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:18 PM</span>

[Impetus]

<blockquote><hr>Barq Bandit wrote: <DIV>*looks up from her hot, steaming bowl of DELECTABLE sharkfin soup*</DIV><hr></blockquote>Fixed. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Calthine]

Is there garlic bread to go with that?

[Seiden]

The sharks attack YOU, and you want god(dev's) to just come on down and kill all of them?remember.. it is "role playing"<div></div>

[Barq Bandit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Impetus wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Barq Bandit wrote:<BR> <DIV>*looks up from her hot, steaming bowl of DELECTABLE sharkfin soup*</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Fixed. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR><EM>all</EM> my stuff is delectable, silly!  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[r00tk]

<div></div><font face="Arial"><span>Please remove the gambling from the game as it can turn into a RL destructive addiction.</span>Additionally, i was running through RE farming "?"'s and i saw a naked lady toon. She had biiiig bazooms.</font><div></div>

[Foible]

This is just to add my support for removing the recipe from the menu.

[Xeri]

<div>I agree with the OP.  Remove this recipe; there is no legitimate reason why it <strong>should</strong> be kept in the game.</div><div> </div><div>/signed</div><div> </div>

[Barq Bandit]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Xeriem wrote:<div>I agree with the OP.  Remove this recipe; there is no legitimate reason why it <strong>should</strong> be kept in the game.</div><div> </div><div>/signed</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><div><font color="#ccffff" face="Comic Sans MS" size="4">sure there is.  because the complaint is ludicrous.</font></div><div> </div><blockquote dir="ltr"><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"><strong>lu·di·crous (</strong></font><i>adj.) </i>Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity. See Synonyms at foolish.</font></div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div></blockquote><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div>

[Giallolas]

<div></div><div></div><p>This is my support for keeping Sharkfin IN the game.  There is no legitimate reason why it should be removed.  Btw, could we get some recipes for Spotted Owl, Bald Eagle, Dolphin, Timber Wolf...heck maybe some Doe Doe Bird while you're at it.</p><p>For heavens sake, it's a game.  We fish it out of the water.  We don't cut it off or enforce such practice.  You ever ask how we got the pelts while trapping?  I bet the critter is sure missing his warm fur about now.  Or how we collect sand giant toes in SS?  I hear it's an incredibly cruel practice to cut their toes off and release them into the desert to eventually stumble, fall down and suffocate.</p><p>You sensitive folks need to lighten up.  I'll play your little liberal games in RL so you guys can sleep at night, but not going to do it in a game that I pay to play too.  I log into this game so I can get away from all that crap.  If you don't like Sharkfin, stop fishing for it.  If you get it, it's you that did it not me.  You can always throw it back in.</p><p>Sorry you're so bored as to mess with my game,</p><p>Message Edited by Giallolas on <span class="date_text">01-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:14 PM</span></p>

[XtremSummo]

<div>Ohhh I was so sorry to see this had dropped to the second page. Ah well... all things must pass...</div><div> </div><div>OH! Look!</div><div> </div><div>It's back! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>X</div>

[Aranieq]

<div></div><p>I gotta be honest I only read 2 pages before I decided to back to making the greyed-out sharkfin recipie.. and maybee even put it up for free on my vender. </p><p><img src="http://www.oups.ac.jp/unsupported/bukka1/misc/chronicle/m_sharkfin.jpeg"></p><p>I'm pretty sure I'ts been said a few hundred times in this thread and actually reasoning with the most hipocritical veiw of ethics I've had the oportunity to laugh at in a awhile buuuut..</p><p>YOU KILL PEOPLE in this game, bunnies and birdies and fairies and gnomes and baby deers and momma cubs n frint of her children ... in fact coercers take those mommas and charm them against their little babbies... /tap /tap ... its not real.  It's a game.  Not that any POLITICAL veiws belong in a FANTASY game, but if youre gonna go hardcore at least be consistant /petition to yank the game haha.</p><p>I know even reply is silly and just encourages sillyness but I hate to pass up good oportunity to just laugh out loud, and point and giggle...</p><p>can we have a new avatar choice for provisioners?</p><p><img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:SMCZ0jumkax4GM:http://marenostrum.org/pesca"></p>

[Descolin]

Just replying to the first post:This is a freaking game, who cares, let them worry about more important things than removing shark fins from the game because it offends a few people.<div></div>

[grymmstone]

<div></div>Bang... Bang... Bang... Still going!!!

[Zetnorr]

<div></div>Rest  easy , here in  Australia  Shark's  are protected from  the  evil  human's ( but not the  other way, Human's are not protected  from  Shark's & we've  had  5  attack's so far this  summer ) occaisionaly shark's are still caught when  fishing  for other large marine life ( Marlin etc )  & there are a  cou[le  of  smaller species that  are  can be  fished. It's  the  l;arge  so called  " man eating " shark's that are protected.So  let's  hear  it  for  the  Shark's !  YAY  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><p>Message Edited by Zetnorr on <span class="date_text">01-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:07 AM</span></p>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Zetnorr wrote:<div></div>Rest  easy , here in  Australia  Shark's  are protected from  the  evil  human's ( but not the  other way, Human's are not protected  from  Shark's & we've  had  5  attack's so far this  summer ) occaisionaly shark's are still caught when  fishing  for other large marine life ( Marlin etc )  & there are a  cou[le  of  smaller species that  are  can be  fished. It's  the  l;arge  so called  " man eating " shark's that are protected.So  let's  hear  it  for  the  Shark's !  YAY  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><p>Message Edited by Zetnorr on <span class="date_text">01-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:07 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><font color="#339900"></font><font color="#339900">Lol, sounds like the sharks won the first round, hehe. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></span></div>

[tweety1972]

<div></div>You don't like fishing for the shark fins, get in the water and try and get it from them willingly. (if you do send me pictures, heck videotape it. either way it goes it will be entertaining)

[Sharis]

We can't let this die!!  Sharks ftw!Seriously it baffles me why people worry about this sort of thing in a video game but not about the wholesale slaughtering of animals we do in that same game, not to metion the fact that you do your darndest to wipe out entire species such as orcs, goblins, etc if only you could!<div></div>

[evilpants]

<div>I like the arctic expansion idea. I think they should put baby seals in there that can be harvested for their skins. Maybe a sweet weapon like Seal Smasher- +10 str, +8 agi, +8 sta, +20 v.s. cold. Yeah, thats the ticket. IT'S A GAME! 'Nuff said.</div>

[Xeri]

<div></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="4">sure there is.  because the complaint is ludicrous.</font><div> </div><blockquote dir="ltr"><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"><strong>lu·di·crous (</strong></font><i>adj.) </i>Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity. See Synonyms at foolish.</font></div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div></blockquote><p></p><div><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="4"><font color="#0093d9"><b>Tock</b> <i>Gnome</i> 29 Ranger / 58 Carpenter</font><font color="#ffffff"><b>Disha</b> <i>Ratonga</i> 31 Templar / 60 Provisioner</font><font color="#8080c0"><b>Arilou</b> <i>Erudite</i> 23 Wizard / 41 Alchemist</font><font color="#a600a6"><b>Gribbik</b> <i>Froglok</i> 24 Palladin / 40 Woodworker</font></font></div></div><div> </div><div><hr></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>The only ludicrous argument is the one which suggests that in-game behaviour isn't subject to any kind of moral scrutiny because its venue of expression is artifical.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Spectralmist]

<div></div><p>Personally, I'm very upset that I have to slaughter beavers for quests.  Greedy trappers just want the beaver pelts for hats.  And they don't even pay me very well.</p><p>As for the shark fins - don't Norrathian sharks shed their fins every year?  Like antlers off of deer?</p>

[Barq Bandit]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Xeriem wrote:<div></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="4">sure there is.  because the complaint is ludicrous.</font><div> </div><blockquote dir="ltr"><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"><strong>lu·di·crous (</strong></font><i>adj.) </i>Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity. See Synonyms at foolish.</font></div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div></blockquote><p></p><div><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="4"><font color="#0093d9"><b>Tock</b> <i>Gnome</i> 29 Ranger / 58 Carpenter</font><font color="#ffffff"><b>Disha</b> <i>Ratonga</i> 31 Templar / 60 Provisioner</font><font color="#8080c0"><b>Arilou</b> <i>Erudite</i> 23 Wizard / 41 Alchemist</font><font color="#a600a6"><b>Gribbik</b> <i>Froglok</i> 24 Palladin / 40 Woodworker</font></font></div></div><div> </div><div><hr></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>The only ludicrous argument is the one which suggests that in-game behaviour isn't subject to any kind of moral scrutiny because its venue of expression is artifical.</div><div> </div><div><hr></div></blockquote><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3">wha?  look, it's very simple.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3">i agree that the practice of shark fining in reality is probably quite unpleasant for the shark.  but so is the process of being slaughtered for all the millions of moo cows that get slaughtered each year to keep Mc Donald's in business...</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3">the morality of those real life things <em>isn't</em> the issue here, however.  the matter at hand, which i (and seemingly the vast majority of EQ2 players if the comments in this thread are anything to judge things by) personally find ludicrous, is the suggestion that the developers should yeild to pressure to make their game as politically correct and squeeky clean as possible so as not to offend any particularly sensitive members of their gaming audience.  that's ludicrous.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3">because once you start down that path...  there's no turning back, and ya gotta do it every single time someone points something out that could probably be made a bit less offensive to them.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3">i swear, it seems like some people are out to <em>find</em> things to be offended about.  one single item in this vast world of a game sparked off this one person's tirade against the apparent "insensitivity" of EQ2's developers, and a <em>demand</em>  that that one item be removed from the game.  it's silly.  it's just the name of an item.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"></font> </div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3">i could understand if the entire <em>game</em> was a simulation of sharkfining, where you owned a sharking boat and had to meet quotas and avoid those pesky tree-hugging hippie Green Peace loons...  but it's not.  it's not.  it's just an item name.  and it's here to stay.</font></div><div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"></font> </div><div align="center"><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"><img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/iesmeh/EQ2_000067.jpg"></font></div><div align="center"><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"></font> </div><div align="center">:smileywink:</div><div align="center"><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3"></font> </div><div align="center"> </div>

[tweety1972]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Xeriem wrote:<div></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="4" face="Comic Sans MS">sure there is.  because the complaint is ludicrous.</font><div> </div><blockquote dir="ltr"><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"><strong>lu·di·crous (</strong></font><i>adj.) </i>Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity. See Synonyms at foolish.</font></div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div></blockquote><p></p><div><font size="4" face="Trebuchet MS"><font color="#0093d9"><b>Tock</b> <i>Gnome</i> 29 Ranger / 58 Carpenter</font><font color="#ffffff"><b>Disha</b> <i>Ratonga</i> 31 Templar / 60 Provisioner</font><font color="#8080c0"><b>Arilou</b> <i>Erudite</i> 23 Wizard / 41 Alchemist</font><font color="#a600a6"><b>Gribbik</b> <i>Froglok</i> 24 Palladin / 40 Woodworker</font></font></div></div><div> </div><div><hr></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>The only ludicrous argument is the one which suggests that in-game behaviour isn't subject to any kind of moral scrutiny because its venue of expression is artifical.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>No it is ludicrous because we use the whole shark, or did you forget there are sharksteaks?

[tyhan]

<div></div><div><em><font color="#9933ff"></font></em><div><blockquote><hr>Thibor24 wrote:<div>I was happily levelling a provisioner until i reached t4 and started to fish for resources and look through the recipes i would get.</div><div> </div><div>I was shocked to see shark fins as resources and shark fin soup as a recipe.</div><div> </div><div>This encourages the barbaric practice of finning where the tastless fins (cartilage) are cut from the fish and the still living animal is thrown back where it sinks to the bottom and suffocates slowly.</div><div> </div><div>The cruelty and waste is horrific not to mention many shark species are endangered and 90% of large fish stocks have been depleted in the last 100 years.</div><div> </div><div>I would hope my children can grow up to dive and see these creatures, I know i have enjoyed this myself.</div><div> </div><div>Please remove these components and recipes from the game and replace with something that does not reflect such an abhorent practice.</div><div> </div><div>I am not a vegetarian and enjoy eating fish but if you spend any time researching this practice you will agree its horribly cruel and waseful.</div><hr></blockquote><em><font color="#9933ff"></font></em></div></div><div><em><font color="#9933ff">OMG you are joking right ? we are not really killing it.   this is only a game not to be confused with RL. Pixels on a screen in front of you.What about the poor shrimp,  bear  and all the other meat that is made in game they dont matter  lol.</font></em></div><div><em><font color="#9933ff">Oh by the way  Shark fin soup is really good in RL, very expensive tho. To each there own im sure there is those who dont like to see a COW eatten eather.........  Wondering if you are the person that got the "kick the cat "changed from the cache, Gesh its just a game.........</font></em></div><div><em><font color="#9933ff"></font></em> </div><div><em><font color="#9933ff"></font></em> </div>

[tyhan]

<div><blockquote><hr>Xeriem wrote:<div></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="4" face="Comic Sans MS">sure there is.  because the complaint is ludicrous.</font><div> </div><blockquote dir="ltr"><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"><strong>lu·di·crous (</strong></font><i>adj.) </i>Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity. See Synonyms at foolish.</font></div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana"><font face="Courier New"></font></font> </div></blockquote><p></p><div><font size="4" face="Trebuchet MS"><font color="#0093d9"><b>Tock</b> <i>Gnome</i> 29 Ranger / 58 Carpenter</font><font color="#ffffff"><b>Disha</b> <i>Ratonga</i> 31 Templar / 60 Provisioner</font><font color="#8080c0"><b>Arilou</b> <i>Erudite</i> 23 Wizard / 41 Alchemist</font><font color="#a600a6"><b>Gribbik</b> <i>Froglok</i> 24 Palladin / 40 Woodworker</font></font></div></div><div> </div><div><hr></div><div> </div><div> </div><div>The only ludicrous argument is the one which suggests that in-game behaviour isn't subject to any kind of moral scrutiny because its venue of expression is artifical.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>Oh my god I had my laugh for the day......... moral scrutiny  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]  we kill animals, bird, griffins,people, orcs, giants and on and on if you have so much high moral standards that you want to bring into the game how will you play the game? Because if you bring in your moral standards and take out all the things you shouldnt kill what is left to kill?</div><div>This is the stupidest thing ive ever seen, or read on here. while everyone else is worried about game play and content and not getting our  game play nerfed you are worried about killing some pixels and wheather its moral or not .... this is not the right game for you......</div>

[Grra]

<div>McDonalds uses real meat?? Will wonders never cease.</div>

[Slinkie]

<div></div>My goodness...this is the thread that just wouldn't die.  Of course, if it did, we'd probably find a way to cook it and serve it on a plate.

[Cele]

<div></div><p>I dont even know how to respond to this.  And tust me, for me to be speechless is amazing beyond belief...</p><p>/gently prods certain folks in the direction of reality....and reminds them not to kill the cute glade deer in Antonica.</p><p> </p>

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

<div></div>Hey, you don't want to support the shark fin soup recpie? Great, don't make it then.

[MrDiz]

Its official: This is the silliest thread ever written!The very first quest I didnt entering Qeynos was the citizenship quest and it gave me the option of brutally slaying what were essentially misguided but innocent people. In this game I can do a quest that demands I slaughter 1000 sentient beings.I can even raise a dead corpse and go off killing sweet little fairies if I so choose.There is even a recipe for toasted halfling for the love of sanity! NPC trolls can slowly boil halfling children in a pot and thats ok.... troll PC makes shark fin soup and thats bad....*BOGGLE*

[Arody]

<div></div><p>OMG this is the most stupid thread i think i have read yet.....because one [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thinks that a sharkfin affends them well [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to loot the shark fin you have to kill it first so no your pet shark (Jaws) is not feeling an agony over losing a fin...</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>such a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] post by a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing  stupid person</p>

[MRRX]

<div></div><div></div><div><strike>Is this a doctored picture ?    Or does he actually say that ?</strike>        EDIT - Yes, he does say it.</div><div> </div><div>Rolling on the floor laughing my @$$ off.</div><div><font color="#ccffff" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"></font> </div><div align="center"><font color="#ccffff" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/iesmeh/EQ2_000067.jpg"></font></div><div align="center"><font color="#ccffff" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"></font> </div><div align="center"><a target="_blank" href="http://eqjournal.blogspot.com/">http://eqjournal.blogspot.com</a></div><div align="center"> </div><p>Message Edited by MRRX on <span class="date_text">03-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:53 PM</span></p>

[Binea]

I'm a proud Member of PETA.... People for the Eating of Tasty Animals...  if shark fins taste good eat them.... if kittens taste good eat them.... if baby dolphins taste good eat them....BTW has anybody done the quest where you rip the wings off fairies to stuff a pillow?<div></div>

[Daisy Lou]

ROFL, this thread is like the Energizer bunny....just keeps going and going and going.  But hey at least it's been good entertaining reading while I'm sitting here bored at work.<div></div>

[Suraklin]

<div>Leave it in the game. Why should the politically correct tree huggin hippies get something removed from the game for such a dumb reason. Oh and bring back alcohol effects in game they were removed for dumb reasons too. RL and a game are two different things.</div><div> </div><div><font size="1">Please please let someone make Grand Theft Auto into an MMO I'd love to see how Politically Incorrect that game could be.</font></div>

[Iari111]

<div>Came back to check on one of my favorite threads.. still going I see <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>I  must say that on the day my provie hit that magic level, I scribed my new recipes and saw shark fin, I laughed and laughed thinking of this thread.  Felt like I'd hit an historical milestone in my cooking career in eq2 lol.  Think I made an entire level that night just on that <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Toej]

<div></div><font color="#ffffff" face="Tms Rmn"><p><font face="Arial">This Thread can't die...it is too important of a subject!!!! lol</font></p><p><font face="Arial">I have done some research and have found out how some of the other items in the game are actually harvested.  We all know how the shark fin is obtained so here are some descriptions of how the other meats in the game are obtained that SoE didn't tell us.</font></p><p><font face="Arial">1. Turtle meat - You have just turned a poor turtle upside down on its back to die a very painful slow death.  After hours of its pain and suffering you collect one turtle meat.</font></p><p><font face="Arial">2. Bear meat - You trap a bear by use of a mettle leg catching trapping device.  The bear dies a slow very painful death as all the blood drains from the body. After hours of pain and suffering you collect one bear meat.</font></p><p><font face="Arial">3. Frog legs - just like a kid you capture a loveable frog crocking in the moon light and rip its bloody legs off and throw the rest into the pond to sink to the bottom and die a painful death.  You collect Frog legs.</font></p><p><font face="Arial">4. Lion meat - You sneak up behind a lion and slice its head open with a battle axe.  The Lion lays on the ground and slowly dies while you laugh and play cards which have naked women on them.  You then get drunk and use the lion (while still alive) as target practice for your bow shots.  You then have sex with your girlfriend on the dieing lion.  You have collected Lion meat.</font></p></font>

[Daisy Lou]

ROFL!!!!<div></div>

[B]

What about the poor elephants trapped in those tiny denns?!?!

[Spectralmist]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Big wrote:What about the poor elephants trapped in those tiny denns?!?!<hr></blockquote><p>It's not the elephants that are trapped in there - it's only the meat.</p><p>The badgers swarm the poor elephant, biting and tearing.  As the poor creature trumpets in fear and pain, the badgers continue their bloody work.  Soon, the elephant is reduced to a bedraggled shadow of it's former self.  Dropping to it's knees only gives the vicious badgers more incentive to continue their attacks. </p><p>Soon, there is little left of the once grand elephant but a pile of bloody bones.  The badgers head back to their dens and squirrel away their ill-gotten gains.  Some even trek across the ocean to get their bloody booty into their dens in Antonica.</p><p>You do not want to mess with the badgers of Norrath.  The Vulriches don't stand a chance - the badgers take them down on the way to the elephants...</p>

[Nuhus]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Spectralmist wrote:<div></div><p>You do not want to mess with the badgers of Norrath.  The Vulriches don't stand a chance - the badgers take them down on the way to the elephants...</p><hr></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php" target="_blank">Badgers</a> :smileyvery-happy:</p><p> </p><p>Time for the hate mail.</p>

[canis1]

<div></div>ARGH snake! Argh SNAKE!

[Daisy Lou]

Badgers!!! We don't need no stinking Badgers!!! =)<div></div>

[Barq Bandit]

<div></div><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#ccffff" size="3">[Removed for Content]!  love live the badgers!  (and mushrooms and snakes!)  (^_^)</font>

[Spectralmist]

<P>Well - it finally happened - I hit level 34!  Shark fin for teh win!  </P> <P>It was a huge milestone.  Unfortunately, I needed the Wild Apple milks for Lluk, so I didn't grind the fins as much as I'd like.  I've got a huge stack of raws I'll be working through though...</P>

[Barq Bandit]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ccffff size=3>~O8>  <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ccffff size=3>~O8>  <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ccffff size=3>~O8>  <EM>Conga Rats!</EM>  <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ccffff size=3>~O8>  <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ccffff size=3>~O8>  <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ccffff size=3>~O8></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>

[Red Sox Suck]

<DIV>This thread delivers</DIV>

[FordPrefect]

best ... thread ... ever

[Dagorth07]

<P>Wow this has to be the greatest thread ever!!</P> <P>I seriously hope the OP way back when was just trolling for his own amusement, i mean somebody could not be that rediculous in there PC ways could they???  :smileysad:</P>

[Tokam]

<P>Ok then, I'll see you your badgers and raise you...</P> <P><A href="http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/" target=_blank>http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/</A></P> <P>I wins <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>/runs off</P>

[selch]

<P>I want whale oil and clubbed seal heads...</P> <P> </P> <P>Geez, relax, it is a game..</P> <P> </P>

[Nuhus]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sulpeel wrote:<div></div> <p>Ok then, I'll see you your badgers and raise you...</p> <p><a href="http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/" target="_blank">http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/</a></p> <p>I wins <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>/runs off</p><hr></blockquote>Haha... Nice </div>

[Bangpop]

<DIV>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Now that is out of the way. HAHAHA.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You play a game where you kill people and you worry about fish?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA</DIV>

[Shonin]

<DIV>Thanks for the laugh, I truly enjoyed most of the comments.  I loved the the quote about a man on fire, truly made me laugh out loud.  I will not repeat the comments made by others, because I would only be repeating all that can be said.  BTW my provisioner is a female troll and she is sexy from behind.</DIV>

[Jardo]

I have spent most the morning ready the posts to this and i just can't help but laugh.  I can't believe people these days.  It's like people want everything to be perfect and nice for them...never going to happen.  The world we live in is bad enough with people telling others what they should and shouldn't do and now they try to do it in the game.  I agree if you don't like the game then don't play the game.  I play the game to get away from the people in real life that act retarted and all the political drama involved.  And now its a debate on a shark fin.  I have to ask myself why in the world  does it bother you so much about a stupid shark fin, yet you slaughter the crap out of everything that tries to kill you in the game.  In real like no way would i do what i do in the game but thats the fun part its not real life its a game.  And on a side note if you don't like the idea of the shark fin make something else. <span>:smileyvery-happy:  But don't ask someone to change something because you think its cruel thats just funny in every sence of the word, because if you can't seperate real life from a game then you had problems long before you started playing this game.</span>

[Dak]

<P>And some wonder why PAMA is hated so much by animal rights groups. This is an area I woulds truely indorse slamming the people arguing about.</P> <P>Games are games, and unless you have real world issues, most know the difference.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[grymmstone]

*Rolls post over checks for pulse* *nods approvingly* *Beats old dead post with a stick a bit longer*

[SpryYoungE]

Wizzel picks up a baseball bat and whacks the dead post in the head, splattering brains and congealed blood on the walls. He keeps at it for a good five minutes, then pauses to examine the unrecognizable, mangled corpse of the post."Hey, this reminds me of that time I caught a dolphin while deep-sea fishing. That was a fun day."He sighs nostalgically.

[Calthine]

/peek

[Nuhus]

<P>/poke</P> <P>/prod</P> <P> </P> <P>[Thread appears to move a little]</P>

[Calthine]

<P>/nudge</P> <P>(are you sure it moved?)</P>

[Nuhus]

(check for Zombies!)

[Suraklin]

<DIV>Holy undying thread Batman!</DIV>

[Scow]

<P>Save the Sharks.</P> <P>Club a baby Seal instead. I need a new wallet.  :smileysurprised:</P>

[Spectralmist]

<P>Dead Threads - as I understand it - are threads that are inactive for 4 months or so.  THIS thread, however, is always on the front page or the second page of the forum.</P> <P>It is here for a very good reason.  Comic Relief.</P> <P>When I hit 34 and could make Shark Fin steaks, it was a highlight of the game for me.  I celebrated.  I posted a note here noting that huge milestone.</P> <P>As for people with issues - I think the ONLY person with an issue with the shark fin was the OP - and that individual, after the most infamous original post and a few rebuttals, has NOT contributed to this thread as far as I can tell.</P> <P>It is all of us other goofballs, that feel the burning need to point out the hilarity of the situation, that keep this thread alive.</P> <P>For as long as I play MMORPG's, if I ever hear "Shark Fin for teh WIN!" in /ooc or even as a /shout, I will probably fall off my chair laughing.</P> <P>This is as it should be.</P> <P>Please read the entire thread before posting comments.  (That should keep you busy for a couple days...)</P> <P>"Doctor!  I think... Yes!  there's a pulse!  IT IS ALIVE!"</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Spectralmist on <SPAN class=date_text>05-02-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:17 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Spectralmist on <span class=date_text>05-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:20 PM</span>

[Nuhus]

<DIV>I can't believe you actually posted on topic..... On the other hand my provisioner is now high enough a level to make Sharkfin Soup. MMMmmm <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Calthine]

There was a topic?  Oh yes!  endangered species.  Like clean socks in my house today...  definatey endangered....

[Tokam]

<P>/wibble</P> <P>I like sharks</P> <P>Long live King Sharky McGnasher - Lord of the Toothbrush</P> <P>/bows</P>

[Tokam]

<P>PS</P> <DIV align=left><IMG height=552 alt="The Shark House, Headington" src="http://www.headington.org.uk/pics/general/shark_big.jpg" width=350></DIV>

[Barq Bandit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sulpeel wrote:<BR> <P>PS</P> <DIV align=left><IMG height=552 alt="The Shark House, Headington" src="http://www.headington.org.uk/pics/general/shark_big.jpg" width=350></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=4>/falloutofchairlaughing  :smileyvery-happy:</FONT>

[Spectralmist]

<P>That shark was obviously just as offended by the thought of shark fin in the game as the OP.  Taking matters into his own hands (er, fins), he hired an aircraft, jumped from the appropriate height, and smashed through the roof of the house of the most recent individual to make shark fin steaks in game - all in an attempt to eat that person's computer.</P> <P>The impact, however, killed him instantly (this is obvious from the rigor mortis that has set in). </P> <P>However, the supply of shark fin just went up...</P> <P> </P>

[grymmstone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Spectralmist wrote:<BR> <P>Dead Threads - as I understand it - are threads that are inactive for 4 months or so.  THIS thread, however, is always on the front page or the second page of the forum.</P> <P>It is here for a very good reason.  Comic Relief.</P> <P>When I hit 34 and could make Shark Fin steaks, it was a highlight of the game for me.  I celebrated.  I posted a note here noting that huge milestone.</P> <P>As for people with issues - I think the ONLY person with an issue with the shark fin was the OP - and that individual, after the most infamous original post and a few rebuttals, has NOT contributed to this thread as far as I can tell.</P> <P>It is all of us other goofballs, that feel the burning need to point out the hilarity of the situation, that keep this thread alive.</P> <P>For as long as I play MMORPG's, if I ever hear "Shark Fin for teh WIN!" in /ooc or even as a /shout, I will probably fall off my chair laughing.</P> <P>This is as it should be.</P> <P>Please read the entire thread before posting comments.  (That should keep you busy for a couple days...)</P> <P>"Doctor!  I think... Yes!  there's a pulse!  IT IS ALIVE!"</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Spectralmist on <SPAN class=date_text>05-02-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:17 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Spectralmist on <SPAN class=date_text>05-02-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:20 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Spectral as you peruse the subtlies of this thread you will note that back on page 2 or 3 I chimed in for the first time. I was then creating Shark Fin Soup, and still to this day find myself buying a stack of shark fins whenever I go craft just to ensure there is ample supply of soup for all to enjoy. I do check back from time to time to see exactly how many new posts have been added. I must admit the goof ball that posted the shark through the roof pictures takes the win on this post. HUZZAH!!!! Shark Fin for the WIN!!!

[Spectralmist]

<P> </P> <P><BR>I humbly apologize Grymm.  It wasn't you specifically I was responding to though - just the dead thread posts in general...  With tongue in cheek.</P> <P> </P>

[VivoDi]

<P>Well I finally hit Provisioner level 38... guess what that means?</P> <P>SHARK FIN SOUP <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>My whole provisioner career to this point has been hinging on the excitement of finally being able to make this delicacy, and boy is it YUM!</P> <P>Missycafe -- Provisioner</P>

[americandev]

This thread annoyed me to no end!!! It is always on the front page and people keep on posting to it! What the XXXX?Wait....I can make shark fin steaks now! Cool!I think I will rush to the forum and post a reply and be part of the party. LOL!BTW, what is the record for pointless, funny, and comic relief threads?Oh well, another provisioner joining the ranks. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Filidh]

Saved all my Shark Fins and made Shark Fin Soup.

[Joras]

<P>Priceless...</P> <P> </P> <P>"Or the exploitation of gnolls"....</P> <P> </P> <P>I can see it now.. Gnoll marches, save the gnolls!    ROFL</P> <P> </P> <P>Ryku</P>

[Pahya]

<DIV>On topic - OP: Proof positive why there should be a test to allow people to breed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorta On Topic(is there a topic?) - In the few asian countries were shark finning might be legal atleast one of them is bound to be Japan. And I assure you, if a Japanese person catches a fish they eat -all- of it. Two words: Bone crackers. *shudders*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On that note, who's suddenly craving sashimi? Thanks for the laughs <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[chrisvil]

Post makes me hungry  Blackened Mahi Mahi it is

[Calthine]

Oh, now I want some Ahi

[XtremSummo]

<P>Just dropped into the forum after a long break and found this thread still running - gave me a warm feeling all over - like coming home. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Thanks for keeping it going. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>X</P>

[Tokam]

<P>I think its the observer that has this game in the UK - can you make a popular word / phrase from the following pictures?</P> <P><IMG src="http://www.shuntington.k12.ny.us/schools/wwhs/Library/quiet.gif"> <A href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://jokes-r-uss4.tripod.com/ark.jpg&imgrefurl=http://jokes-r-uss4.tripod.com/WallPaper1.htm&h=679&w=1031&sz=76&tbnid=eY84fzKz4neSNM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=150&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dark%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D" target=_blank><IMG height=98 src="http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:eY84fzKz4neSNM:jokes-r-uss4.tripod.com/ark.jpg" width=150></A></P> <P><A href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://saltlake2002.paralympic.org/sports/nordic/no_features/031602/assets/987G2909_qj.jpg&imgrefurl=http://saltlake2002.paralympic.org/sports/nordic/no_features/031602/six.html&h=607&w=450&sz=29&tbnid=xCADvAt7WbaWUM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=98&hl=en&start=321&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfinland%2Bflag%26start%3D320%26svnum% 3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN" target=_blank><IMG height=133 src="http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn<img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />CADvAt7WbaWUM:saltlake2002.paralympic.org/sports/nordic/no_features/031602/assets/987G2909_qj.jpg" width=98></A></P> <P><A href="" target=_blank></A><A href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mohicanpress.com/battles/images/sitbull.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mohicanpress.com/wwwboard1/messages/406.html&h=431&w=294&sz=19&tbnid=nQhqoS20WEaBWM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=83&hl=en&start=21&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsouix%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl% 3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN" target=_blank><IMG height=123 src="http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:nQhqoS20WEaBWM:www.mohicanpress.com/battles/images/sitbull.jpg" width=83></A> <A href="http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.anbg.gov.au/images/flags/semaphore/p.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.anbg.gov.au/flags/semaphore.html&h=560&w=640&sz=4&tbnid=tvD1Wwar6sasxM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=135&hl=en&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3DP%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D" target=_blank><IMG height=118 src="http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:tvD1Wwar6sasxM:www.anbg.gov.au/images/flags/semaphore/p.gif" width=135></A></P><p>Message Edited by Sulpeel on <span class=date_text>06-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:53 AM</span>

[Belce]

<P>Regardless of the cruelality of the practice, sharks as a pinnacle predator tend to harvest all the bad things in the oceans like mecury, lead and other toxins.  This means that sharkfin is holding a very large component of stuff that is posionous to you.  </P> <P> </P> <P>But not having it in game?  Why not have it there.  I would like to see things like harvesting grub worms like they do in Africa added to the game, have locust and grasshoppers for food items as well.  Something more than just North American accepted food items a few popular oddities like eel and sharkfin.  All the food items in the game tend to be mainstream items and none of them fall out of what you might expect to find normally in North America, hunted game, fish fruits and berries and nuts. </P>

[Tokam]

<P>The idea of 'farming' sharks for their fins is abhorent to me too, but this thread officialy went off topic about 8.5 pages ago <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Please stop making valid and *gasp* considered arguments, and guess the solution to the picture game above.</P> <P>Yup - I just got back from the pub.......</P>

[Slinkie]

<P> </P> <P> Sh + ark</P> <P>Fin</P> <P>Sioux + P</P> <P> </P> <P>Shark Fin Soup</P>

[Lonissa]

I was happy to find out today that they're not removing the shark fin from the game in the tradeskill revamp, instead say goodbye to the blackwater snapper <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Nuhus]

Good then, that would suck. I have yet to make it.

[templarking]

<P>LOL  ok  I am a  Veggie and proud of it  </P> <P> </P> <P>Yes I am against killing of anything humans,  animals, ect....</P> <P> </P> <P>BUT your post makes only little sense   THIS is a game  and maybe we humans can get our aggression of our systems by playing these types of games.   Maybe MMOG is best place to settle our differences  and  get out our aggressions</P> <P> </P> <P>just couple thoughts</P>

[Daisy Lou]

<div><blockquote><hr>templarking wrote:<div></div> <p>LOL  ok  I am a  Veggie and proud of it  </p> <p>Yes I am against killing of anything humans,  animals, ect....</p> <p>BUT your post makes only little sense   THIS is a game  and maybe we humans can get our aggression of our systems by playing these types of games.   Maybe MMOG is best place to settle our differences  and  get out our aggressions</p> <p>just couple thoughts</p><hr></blockquote>working out all that aggresion can make one hungry though.....Mmmmm beef (or shark!), it's what's for dinner !</div>

[Izzypop]

  Dammit all.  Finning sharks offends me when the waste the rest of the shark  (as they usually do) but sharkmeat/shark steaks are good.  But you bleeding heart animal hugger hippies really [Removed for Content] me off this time, but it's not about shark fins.  I live with a kitten now and it gets on my nerves.  I have to feed it every 4 hours or it goes nuts because I can't leave it's food out or the dog eats it all.  It likes to hide on the stairs and attack your feet as you walk up and down, almost killed the cat twice by stepping on it and my self once by falling and breaking my neck.  It loves to sleep on my pillows and I'm slightly allergic to cats.   It wlil bite your toes while you sleep so that you will wake up and play.  I have to lock my self in a room and hide if I want to pitch a tent at night or else the motion will draw it's attention and it will attack me in a sensitive spot.  I'm about to rename the damm cat "Orange Chicken" I have some rice and a cookbook for it.  I was level 60 with Dimitre on the Nektolus server for a long time before KoS came out.  I moved to Venekor when pvp went live, and ever since I started to live with this cat the 1 thing in the game I have been looking forward to the most was the Hiden Cache instance in Sinking Sands where you get to kick the cat into the lake where it is swallowed up by the giant Croc.  We usted to random 100 for the honers of who gets to kick it (I love my old guild Sinister)  I finally get there after long hours of xp grinding and what do I find....They replaced the cat with a bucket of fish.  Screw you you pot smoking, crystal hugging, Neo-Pagan, D&D geek, Renessance fair going, Everquest 2 playing, Klingon speaking,  George W Bush voting (You thought you voted for Kerry but someone smoked themself so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]  they couldn't figure out how to properly work a voting machine so they took guess and whcih bubble was Kerry's) godamm Hippies.  You went to far this time Give me my damm cat back the croc is hungry and don't forget.............Fish have feelings too don't you know.  Why should an entire bucket full of fish take the place of 1 cat.<div></div>

[Tokam]

<P>Why do you have a kitten if you are a bit allergic to them?</P> <P>And please stop dissing kittens - cats FTW [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and dont you forget it!</P> <P>(Kerra all the way baby)</P>

[Spectralmist]

<P>Wait!  If you throw the whole bucket of fish to the croc - won't it hurt it's teeth chomping through the bucket to get to the fish?  Oh! the Agony!</P> <P>I say give it back the cat.  That way - it won't get splinters... (not counting the bones...)</P>

[kos]

<div></div><div></div><p>Message Edited by kosem on <span class=date_text>06-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 PM</span>

[Sledged]

<DIV>Do Fish have feelings?  </DIV><p>Message Edited by Sledged on <span class=date_text>06-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:10 PM</span>

[Zyzr]

<P>Shark Fin Soup supports terrorism, it's true!</P> <P>**puts on tin-foil hat**</P>

[tweety1972]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zyzril wrote:<BR> <P>Shark Fin Soup supports terrorism, it's true!</P> <P>**puts on tin-foil hat**</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/smack</P> <P><img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> j/k</P> <P>on the topic of shark fin soup, just let it die already. If they were going to remove it they would have done so already. If you would like an example just look at how fast the opening movie got changed. </P> <P>Regardless of anyones opinion it is their game and they can do whatever they like with it, if you don't like it stop subscribing to it and let this pointless thread die because most of us are sick of hearing about it.</P>

[Daelekin]

Little known fact, EQ2 is a "Game".I know some folks forget this every now and again, shame really.<div></div>

[Solaran_X]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thibor24 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I was happily levelling a provisioner until i reached t4 and started to fish for resources and look through the recipes i would get.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was shocked to see shark fins as resources and shark fin soup as a recipe.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This encourages the barbaric practice of finning where the tastless fins (cartilage) are cut from the fish and the still living animal is thrown back where it sinks to the bottom and suffocates slowly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The cruelty and waste is horrific not to mention many shark species are endangered and 90% of large fish stocks have been depleted in the last 100 years.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would hope my children can grow up to dive and see these creatures, I know i have enjoyed this myself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please remove these components and recipes from the game and replace with something that does not reflect such an abhorent practice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not a vegetarian and enjoy eating fish but if you spend any time researching this practice you will agree its horribly cruel and waseful.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>1) Most important. This is a game. A video game. Playing this game (as a 35 Provisioner on my 44 Defiler) doesn't make me want to go out, catch a shark, chop off it's fins, and toss it back into the water. Why? Because this is a video game, and there is a clear and obvious line between the video game and reality. I suggest you learn it.</P> <P>2) The vast majority of shark fin soups served around the world are made from shark fins of properly fished sharks. In other words - these sharks are caught, killed, and most (if not all) of their bodies are used for various food products - from shark steaks to shark fins for soup.</P> <P>3) Finning is an illegal practice that is punished harshly when it's caught. And playing video games doesn't make alot of people go out and do illegal things. How often do you hear about some kid car jacking a random person on the street and getting into shoot outs with cops because he did it on Grand Theft Auto?</P> <P>Seriously though...this is a video game. Please learn to differentiate from reality and the digital collection of 1's and 0's called EverQuest 2. I mean...come on. The graphics aren't THAT good...so it should be pretty easy to seperate.</P>

[Marcula]

I had a ball making a couple stacks of shark fin soup the other day! [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] those bowls sell like hot cakes! errr.......hot (shark fin) cakes! I am strangely very hungry all of a sudden.....

[Gratuitios]

<DIV> <P><A href="http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php" target=_blank><FONT color=#ffcc33>Badgers</FONT></A> <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif" width=16 border=0></P> <P> </P> <P>Time for the hate mail.</P> <HR> </DIV><FONT color=#9933cc>Badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM,MUSHROOM!!</FONT>

[Gratuitios]

<DIV><FONT color=#9933cc>Lol!!:smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy:</FONT></DIV>

[grymmstone]

OMG that was one of the funniest flash files. IT kinda reminded me of my old harvest style. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] badgers still look like ores from a distance.

[Bong_water]

<blockquote><hr>Gratuitios wrote:<div></div> <div> <p><a href="http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php" target="_blank"><font color="#ffcc33">Badgers</font></a> </p> </div><font color="#9933cc"></font><hr></blockquote>This is the product of a bored stoner<div></div>

[Aalweina]

I haven't posted in years but this thread makes me feel the need to say..."No actual sharks were harmed in the making of this game"<div></div>

[tweety1972]

Somebody please shoot this thread and put it down already <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Calthine]

Heavens, no, it's my favorite completely worthless thread!

[Cirth_Beer]

gogo shark fin !<div></div>

[Etherium]

Shark fin FTW!

[Merryma]

<FONT color=#cc00ff>Perhaps you haven't noticed that we Norrathians eat many other endangered species such as elephants, many types of turtles and frogs and some supposedly instinct species such as the sabertooth tiger. May I suggest we add more endangered species to our menu's perhaps Giant Panda, Polar Bears, Hippos and Lemurs. I sure would like to have a giant panda burger right now. *drools*</FONT>

[Nuhus]

<DIV>If anyone is interested.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/sharkweek/sharkweek.html" target=_blank>http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/sharkweek/sharkweek.html</A></DIV>

[tweety1972]

Ooooo, I love shark week. Kinda like watching machines too sometimes (the analogy of eating machines is fairly accurate).

[HazlenutElf]

You know what this thread needs....  Sharks with freaking laser beams on thier heads!

[Cownose]

I would just like to pop in and say, I too love this thread! Shark fin thread FTW. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So useless.. yet so great!

[Trayla]

<P>Though it seems silly to bring up taking something out of the game because you find it cruel - in a game where all we do is kill kill kill - I can see your point.</P> <P>I don't see the harm in taking it out - but then where do they draw the line? </P> <P>Though it's not like I see any recipes for Baby Seal meat. So there must be some sort of code of ethics. I don't see the harm in removing it.</P>

[ReilenBlaeyze]

please please let this thread die once and for all... <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Calthine]

Goodness, WHY?

[Nuhus]

I think about all there is to be said..... has been said. But eh.

[ReilenBlaeyze]

I just get food cravings every time I see this thread <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Calthine]

I like the way that every now and then someone new only reads the first page and comments on it, not knowing this thread wins awards for derailment and longevity!

[ReilenBlaeyze]

Oh I read it most of the way through, had a good laugh with it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[tweety1972]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Calthine wrote:<BR> I like the way that every now and then someone new only reads the first page and comments on it, not knowing this thread wins awards for derailment and longevity!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Someone doesn't spend much time in the NGD now does she :p <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Nordr]

<div></div>At a young, impressionable Tier 2, I've already encountered the cruel and barbaric practice known as "elephant meating."  I'd stick my little grubby little mitts into a critter den, and pull out a handful of elephant meat. I never saw the rest of the elephant, so I can only assume he wandered off to die somewhere, bleeding to death from a fist-sized hole in his side. All so I could make a sandwich! I also insist that the sexist mob "a highwayman" be renamed immediately to "a highwayperson." There are female highwaypersons, and they were so upset at this gender  discrimination that they attacked me without provocation.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Nordran on <span class=date_text>08-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:22 AM</span>

[Calthine]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> tweety1972 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Calthine wrote:<BR> I like the way that every now and then someone new only reads the first page and comments on it, not knowing this thread wins awards for derailment and longevity!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Someone doesn't spend much time in the NGD now does she :p <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not as much as I used to, no <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[HazlenutElf]

<DIV><IMG src="http://web.mit.edu/yermie/www/images/shark%20laserbeam.jpg"></DIV>

[kyrr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HazlenutElf wrote:<BR> <DIV><IMG src="http://web.mit.edu/yermie/www/images/shark%20laserbeam.jpg"></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT face=Verdana color=#cc9900 size=3>First of all, LOVE the pic. Secondly, I can't believe this thread is still going. I first read it like a month ago. If you wanna see a good shark pic go to the fan art section and look on the last page of the "what the fuh?" gallery. seemed to have misplaced the link atm.</FONT>

[Nuhus]

<P>That pic rules, those darn sharks and their lasers! See why SOE wants to kill them?!??!! They are trying to save us. </P> <P> </P> <P>(bored sorry)</P>

[tweety1972]

they just want us to get in the pool so they can have their fun laughing at us :p

[ReilenBlaeyze]

<DIV>Swimming with sharks could be a fun sport.</DIV>

[Calthine]

<P>/sings</P> <P>This is the thread that would not end</P> <P>Yes it goes on and on my friend!</P> <P>Somebody started posting here not knowing what it was</P> <P>And we'll continue posting here forever just because...</P>