Wuoshi Taken Down by Second Dawn

[Grimwell]

<div></div>Members of the Najena guild, Second Dawn, accomplished a world wide first in the defeat of Wuoshi on January 8th. They were kind enough to share some images and a video from the event, and I was able to coerce a few answers out of guild leader Exill about the effort that went into this epic takedown. Check out all the information on the <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive.vm?id=1029&section=News" target="_blank">EQII Players website</a>!Congratulations to Second Dawn! Nice job!<div></div>

[EQ2Playa432]

Congrats SD!<div></div>

[Prodigus]

Great job Second Dawn!  Thanks for sharing this with the community Grimwell.<div></div>

[ProphecyCT]

Ascendence 2.0 =P

[Howlingmoon]

<font color="#E2BD01">Congrat's, SD! Nice job. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Araxes]

Congratulationses!<div></div>

[Aethn]

<DIV>Looks like they just took down Avatar of Valor also, If not mistaken that the first Avatar killed so far anywhere.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.secondawn.com/" target=_blank>http://www.secondawn.com/</A></DIV>

[Killerbee3000]

grats SD on kicking eof's [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]<div></div>

[swedago]

Congratulations SD

[Akira]

Wow, definately good job on taking that down. <div></div>

[Psykil]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ProphecyCT wrote:<BR>Ascendence 2.0 =P<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>you sly beast you, I caught that.</P> <P> </P> <P>Grats SD on alot of things</P>

[Kilaelya]

<P>First, a sincere congrats.</P> <P>Secondly, how about we fix EH so it doesn't take camping 3 or 4 days to get to the third floor for crappy loot up until Wuoshi? Yeah, I said it. This is crap.</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board?board.id=zones" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board?board.id=zones</A></P>

[ytuy]

<DIV>Kilaelya, one thing you have to remember is the zone will keep getting easier as you beat it. The better gear and more knowledge of the zone will increase the speed at which guilds can get through the zone. When more people get set bonuses the zone will die much faster, and once a guild has beaten all the bosses and can kill them with very few pulls that will also speed the time it takes to get to the third floor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your comment about fixing EH taking 3 or 4 days to get to the third floor is not correct. I know many guilds who can get to the Gardener within their first night of being in the zone... so all that would need to be improved on those guilds parts would be killing the gardener. It would be possible to get to the third floor within a few hours.</DIV>

[ProphecyCT]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Psykil wrote:<BR> <BR> <P><BR>you sly beast you, I caught that.</P> <P> </P> <P>Grats SD on alot of things</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>How about this then.</P> <P>Avatar of Valor ninja nerf, no patch notes or anything.  The Avatar of Valor happens to be up on a certain server with a guild that happened to know about the nerf that wasn't publically announced.  Avatar of Valor down WW1st, public finds out about the nerf from this.</P> <P>So instead of insider trading on Wallstreet, we have insider information leakage for raiders =p.  WTG SoE.</P>

[Petgroup]

<div><blockquote><hr>ProphecyCT wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Psykil wrote: <div></div> <p>you sly beast you, I caught that.</p> <p>Grats SD on alot of things</p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>How about this then.</p> <p>Avatar of Valor ninja nerf, no patch notes or anything.  The Avatar of Valor happens to be up on a certain server with a guild that happened to know about the nerf that wasn't publically announced.  Avatar of Valor down WW1st, public finds out about the nerf from this.</p> <p>So instead of insider trading on Wallstreet, we have insider information leakage for raiders =p.  WTG SoE.</p><hr></blockquote>What to say without getting this thread locked...........</div>

[Sapphyre]

Wow, Xelus, thats really sad that you would say that. The reason why we went to try the Avatar is because we were locked out of *Every* other zone and had nothing else to do. No one had any idea about the Avatar whatsoever. A bunch of people were grumpy for attacking their own god!<div></div>

[Grimwell]

This is supposed to be a happy thread. Skip out on the drama please.<div></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grimwell wrote:<BR>This is supposed to be a happy thread. Skip out on the drama please.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Welcome to EQ2.  This is tame compared to what it has been, what it can be and what it probably will be, lol.  Some people just can't stand to lose I guess.<BR>

[Computer MAn]

<div></div><div></div>First off Congrats to Second Dawn you guys are doing awesome this expansion and getting some well deserved WW 1sts. I personally just find it odd and feel interviews for a WW 1st are a little over the top but thats just me. To my knowledge only 2 guilds ever have been interviewed and it just seems wierd they pick this WW 1st out of anything when there have been more signifigant WW 1sts that didn't get an interview. (I use more signifigant imo of course, just to me the mob cant be that hard if its cleared on a guilds 1st attempt at him)But anyway just a mindless rant from a bored raider in EH.<div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Computer MAn on <span class=date_text>01-13-2007</span> <span class=time_text>04:19 PM</span>

[Mermidon]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Computer MAn wrote:<BR> First off Congrats to Second Dawn you guys are doing awesome this expansion and getting some well deserved WW 1sts. <BR><BR>I personally just find it odd and feel interviews for a WW 1st are a little over the top but thats just me. To my knowledge only 2 guilds ever have been interviewed and it just seems wierd they pick this WW 1st out of anything when there have been more signifigant WW 1sts that didn't get an interview. (I use more signifigant imo of course, just to me the mob cant be that hard if its cleared on a guilds 1st attempt at him)<BR><BR>But anyway just a mindless rant from a bored raider in EH.<BR> <P><BR><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Computer MAn on <SPAN class=date_text>01-13-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:19 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I would say its definitly over the top considering its a well known fact that SD worked with the developers to beta test and tweak this content before it ever went live, but yes, grats for a hard kill none the less.</DIV>

[AratornCalahn]

I love these kinda of threads because of the drama they make.  If you dont like drama, I would avoid doing things like this hehe <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Killerbee3000]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mermidon wrote:<div> <blockquote> <hr> Computer MAn wrote: <div></div> <div></div>First off Congrats to Second Dawn you guys are doing awesome this expansion and getting some well deserved WW 1sts. I personally just find it odd and feel interviews for a WW 1st are a little over the top but thats just me. To my knowledge only 2 guilds ever have been interviewed and it just seems wierd they pick this WW 1st out of anything when there have been more signifigant WW 1sts that didn't get an interview. (I use more signifigant imo of course, just to me the mob cant be that hard if its cleared on a guilds 1st attempt at him)But anyway just a mindless rant from a bored raider in EH. <div></div> <p><span class="time_text"></span></p> <p>Message Edited by Computer MAn on <span class="date_text">01-13-2007</span> <span class="time_text">04:19 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote>I would say its definitly over the top considering its a well known fact that SD worked with the developers to beta test and tweak this content before it ever went live, but yes, grats for a hard kill none the less.</div><hr></blockquote>personally i dont care if sd had more info than others or not about the mobs they kill , aoe type, timing, pull spots and such can be figured out by anyone, putting it all together to a usefull strat, and actually killing the mob is a big achievement not everyone can do, and if they knew something about those mobs before.... who cares.... it would give them what advantage? they'll maybe use a repair kit less than others..... but that's nothing that makes them bad.as for the interview thing.... well, grimwell seems to actually do more than others did before him..... and no, its not some weirdo conspiracy.....</div>

[Mermidon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Killerbee3000 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>personally i dont care if sd had more info than others or not about the mobs they kill , aoe type, timing, pull spots and such can be figured out by anyone, putting it all together to a usefull strat, and actually killing the mob is a big achievement not everyone can do, and if they knew something about those mobs before.... who cares.... it would give them what advantage? they'll maybe use a repair kit less than others..... but that's nothing that makes them bad.<BR><BR>as for the interview thing.... well, grimwell seems to actually do more than others did before him..... and no, its not some weirdo conspiracy.....<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Knowing little tweaks, tricks, and other tips that are not available to the public is the difference between winning and losing.</P> <P>It clearly makes a major difference.  One has to go no further than to look at all previous expansions and notice who did well, it was always the guilds who beta tested and were in close communication with the developers.</P> <P>Launch - Ardent Legion was a beta guild and got Darathar first</P> <P>Splitpaw - Ascendence was a beta guild and got Faroth Mal first</P> <P>DoF - This is the one exception because there were so many bugs and broken problems that one guild found a tyrannical mind bug to run around one shotting epics <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>KoS - NPU was a beta guild and did as well as anyone</P> <P>TFD - SD and NPU got the 2 raid mobs and both were guilds that beta tested it</P> <P>KoS - SD was a beta guild and here we have this thread</P> <P> </P> <P>Fact dont lie.  Some of these guilds have been around forever.  They dont appear on the list until they beta test, they are off the list when they dont beta test.  Its just a hard fact, the guilds that beta test and work with the developers always have a leg up.  Its been proven time and time again.</P>

[Mermidon]

<DIV>Btw as some previous poster mentioned this is nothing compared to some drama.  Heck I heard of this one guy who is retiring from the game cuz a certain guild booted him and now all he does is try and take pot shots at them out of some weird bitter rage.</DIV>

[BlytheSpirit]

<div></div>I even heard Second Dawn took down Wuoshi!  <span>:smileysurprised:</span>Which is what this thread is actually about, so back on topic folks or the baby ratongas will cry and this thread will be locked.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Edit:  and yes, I will be removing any further posts that are not on topic.<div></div><p>Message Edited by BlytheSpirit on <span class=date_text>01-13-2007</span> <span class=time_text>08:16 PM</span>

[kajirala]

<DIV>congrats second dawn</DIV>

[Tauch]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mermidon wrote:<div></div><p>TFD - SD and NPU got the 2 raid mobs and both were guilds that beta tested it</p> <p>Fact dont lie.  </p><hr></blockquote>No one beta tested The Direvine Matron because the second part of that encounter was orange and impossible in beta, so check those facts please.And, thanks for the grats, everyone. It's an honor to be part of a WW first, and an interview nonetheless. =)</div>

[SlashnGut]

Grats SD.

[Ixnay]

<div><blockquote><hr>Grimwell wrote:This is supposed to be a happy thread. Skip out on the drama please.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Grats SD!I know a happy place!  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[TheManInTheBox]

Congratz SD!<div></div>

[meedni]

ty everyone <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[DeathEater024]

<DIV>Thats awsome guys GRATZ :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[MrFurious99]

<div></div>Grats SD<div></div><p>Message Edited by MrFurious99 on <span class=date_text>01-14-2007</span> <span class=time_text>01:02 PM</span>

[Grimwell]

<div></div>A quick note before I get back to my weekend:I look forward to being able to interview more guilds about their acheivements in the game as the future unfolds. To me, this is something that's important, bringing the acheivements of players to the EQII Players page. It's a way to celebrate interesting facets of our community, great accomplishments, and plain and simple fun as well.<div></div>

[Meio]

gratziiii SD =) <div></div>

[Ishya]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grimwell wrote:<BR> A quick note before I get back to my weekend:<BR><BR>I look forward to being able to interview more guilds about their acheivements in the game as the future unfolds. To me, this is something that's important, bringing the acheivements of players to the EQII Players page. It's a way to celebrate interesting facets of our community, great accomplishments, and plain and simple fun as well.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>i hope it wont be only about raids<BR>

[Sosum]

Well played SD, very impressive accomplishment!/bow<div></div>

[hellfire]

<DIV>LoL what ever man but thanks for proveing my point.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway Gratzy to SD.</DIV>

[Jaroth Cloudwalk]

Grats SD

[Lisabethy]

Grats SD <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   I knew y'all would do it! For those naysaysers complaining about beta - apparently you've not done much in beta - because while beta testers get a sneak peek, they don't get every strat, every mob ability, ever single piece of knowledge about the mob. And even those that work closely with the devs are not told everything - and yes, from what I've heard, the mobs are switched up some and final abilities put in after testing and before live (hence some mobs being borked upon going live - otherwise, every mob would be working perfectly would it not?) - so while SD may have had a clue about certain aspects, it's certainly nothing that any other determined raid guild would not have already found out by this point in the expansion simply by trial and error. Congrats SD ! and I look forward to seeing what's next ... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[eastbayrae]

Gratz SD!

[Aethn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Computer MAn wrote:<BR> <BR>I personally just find it odd and feel interviews for a WW 1st are a little over the top but thats just me. To my knowledge only 2 guilds ever have been interviewed and it just seems wierd they pick this WW 1st out of anything when there have been more signifigant WW 1sts that didn't get an interview. (I use more signifigant imo of course, just to me the mob cant be that hard if its cleared on a guilds 1st attempt at him)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Personally, I wish we woudl see more of this.  I also feel that since EQ2Players.com is such a big part of this game, and the rankings associated with it, I think they should track worldwide first kills and server first kills of true raid mobs.  I also believe SOE should give a worldwide announcement across all servers the minute the mob is killed for the first time, and stating the guild name who took it down.</P> <P>Lets face it, MMO's are like a sport for alot of us.  Many people play the game to become the best and would be nice to recognize some of those achievements.  Even EQ1 has a player run "Boss Mob Kills" site that tracks the top 266+ guilds in EQ1 across all expansions and all bosses for first kills and kill 2-266+ kill list.  Its broken down by the day it was killed, how many days it took them to kill it from the last guild to kill it, and how many days it took them to kill it from the first day it was ever killed.  Its pretty cool to see that only 35 guilds worldwide out of 266 have killed Mayong in DSP, or that Tunnat, two years later is still not killed by more then 61% of the raid guilds in Everquest 1, a indicator of how truely hard that mob really is to some guilds even today.  </P> <P>Would be great to have that in EQ2.  <A href="http://lavanet.no/progress/" target=_blank>http://lavanet.no/progress/</A></P><p>Message Edited by Aethn on <span class=date_text>01-15-2007</span> <span class=time_text>07:19 PM</span>

[Bhagpuss]

<div></div><div></div><p>Message Edited by Bhagpuss on <span class=date_text>01-16-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:47 AM</span>

[Tiko_7801]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grimwell wrote:<BR> A quick note before I get back to my weekend:<BR><BR>I look forward to being able to interview more guilds about their acheivements in the game as the future unfolds. To me, this is something that's important, bringing the acheivements of players to the EQII Players page. It's a way to celebrate interesting facets of our community, great accomplishments, and plain and simple fun as well.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Grimwell plays Everquest 2 as well.......be wary giving out your strats.........otherwise we may see an uber new guild with a super pally..........JK <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Necs]

<DIV>im not hatein on SD at all i know some people from the guild they are all good players so congrats, but i do think that zone is total bs from the lag that comes with the gardener, that zone would of been cleared a long time ago.</DIV>

[Grimwell]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ishya wrote:<blockquote>i hope it wont be only about raids</blockquote><hr></blockquote>What? There is more to a game than raids???<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>Count on the fact that it won't be just about the raids.</div>

[AratornCalahn]

I look forward to an interview with a platfarmer who made 10000 plat in one day! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[valkyrja]

<div><blockquote><hr>Grimwell wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ishya wrote:<blockquote>i hope it wont be only about raids</blockquote><hr></blockquote>What? There is more to a game than raids???<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>Count on the fact that it won't be just about the raids.</div><hr></blockquote>Cool, then get on giving Quester an interview.  Surely his dedication to complete more than 3000 quests is worthy of mention!</div>

[Nemissis]

Woot!!! Congratz!!! I have always waned to even meet the buggger =D what did he drop? would love to see it.... that must have been a ton of work to do =) congratz!!!!

[Calthine]

<div><blockquote><hr>Grimwell wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ishya wrote:<blockquote>i hope it wont be only about raids</blockquote><hr></blockquote>What? There is more to a game than raids???<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>Count on the fact that it won't be just about the raids.</div><hr></blockquote>Tradeskilling.  Tradeskilling and Raids   /nod</div>

[Kendricke]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aethn wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>I also feel that since EQ2Players.com is such a big part of this game, and the rankings associated with it, I think they should track worldwide first kills and server first kills of true raid mobs.  I </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I really like this idea.  <BR>

[Daeloq]

<DIV>How about interviewing the person with the most lifetime AFK hours logged?  Or most worldwide deaths?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh, almost forgot - congo rats, Second Dawn!</DIV><p>Message Edited by Daeloq on <span class=date_text>01-16-2007</span> <span class=time_text>06:59 PM</span>

[Inebriation]

Arozi baby, you sexy beast. Send me a tell in-game. <div></div>