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<p>All attendees to Receive Both Expansions for Free as Part of Living Legacy Program! </p><p>WTH!!!!!!!!</p><p>So the long term players got screwed as part of the first Living Legacy program and now we get screwed becuase we could not make the trip to Vegas. </p><p>How about a little love for the rest of us SOE? Is that to much to ask?</p><p>Total BS</p>
ConradMax
08-17-2008, 11:53 AM
<p>It's a "thank you" gift for attending and for being a part of the EQ/SOE community. Nothing wrong with that.</p><p>If I had gone, I might have received it, too. But I didn't go and I will receive nothing. No problem. It doesn't bother me that those who went were given the gift. </p><p>I am sure that many of the attendees are also long term players. The difference is that they took the extra effort to go to Fan Faire and we didn't. I think they deserve the recognition by being given the expansions.</p>
They got their recognition.http://forums.station.sony.com/station/posts/list.m?topic_id=11500010514Now how about a little love for the long term players. Its getting a little old that SOE is not showing us any love for being a long term player.
ConradMax
08-17-2008, 01:03 PM
<p>That was for pre-registering. This was for actually being there.</p><p>Oprah does it. Dr. Phil does it. Montel did it. And, so does SOE.</p>
princesskitty
08-17-2008, 03:35 PM
<p>How about we paid $89 to go to this thing, and we actually got something out of it. Why do you deserve a copy for sitting at home?</p>
<p>Not saying I should get a copy for staying home. These free expansions where part of the Living Legacy Program. I am getting tired of the long term SOE players getting the shaft from SOE as part of the Living Legacy Program. Yes it was nice of SOE to give the FF attendes the expansions.</p><p>Now I am asking that SOE step up and take care of the long term players and how about showing some love to those players that have the Station Access accounts. </p><p>SOE keeps talking about the Living Legacy Program as a reward to its players but we long term players have yet to see anything as part of the program. I do not wish to hear that there is a rumor of something for the long term players in the spring. Thats just stuiped to ask us to wait that long for SOE to tell us what the program is. Lets get moving SOE and tell the player base what they are going to do fo us.</p>
beekh
08-18-2008, 02:58 PM
sony dont care about any of the long term players that had to spend 40-60 bucks for every flipping expansion. all they care about is the almighty buck and what the "i can only play 10 min a day and I am entitled to what any raider gets" mentality. just look at the "special" zone tweeks they have done the last few months. they actually now have players convinced that ranking on eq players really means something, when it dont. the fact of the matter is you can be the #1 ranked player in gear, but still have NO skill and knowledge of the toon. sony is really not worried about anything in eq1. if they were, they would stop coming out with worthless crap cards games and buggie expansions and actually fix what they have. I was really looking forward to vangard, was in beta for months. then sony stepped in and ruined that as well. OMG, it was too hard for the average 10 year to play so it to was dumbed down.
JentoScelestus
08-18-2008, 05:06 PM
<p>Gonig to Fan Faire cost not only the 89 for registration but we also paid for all the other things such as hotel and travel. Every year people get things for going to FF, so this is no different. However, the long time players are getting something from the Living Legacy events and content being added, plus the extra attention the game has been getting due to this event. The expansion will most likely not cost 89, so if from no other angle you can see it as you get a discount by not having to spend 89 for an expansion that will probably cost you $19-29.</p><p>The whole purpose of this program is to get more players back into the game which will increase our server populations and give us more people to play and interact with. Personally I would rather have more people than have a trinket or bag or potion cause I've been around. Also keep in mind, those returning players don't get veteran rewards, those are designed to give the long time subscribers something special for being around. As for the station access, you get all those extra character slots that regular suscribers don't get right now.</p><p>Marketing works the same in every arena. New cable and cellphone customers get perks that people who already have service don't, yeah doesn't seem quite right, but you've also been able to enjoy using that service all that time as well, and that's gotta count for something.</p>
SecretAgentSp
08-19-2008, 01:27 PM
I am a long term player--I attended fan faire. I'm getting my free expansion. I'm betting the vast majority of the players who attended Fan Faire are long term players. We all got the expansion, therefore the long term players are getting the love. I'm unsure what the problem is.
JentoScelestus
08-19-2008, 05:22 PM
<cite>SecretAgentSpam wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am a long term player--I attended fan faire. I'm getting my free expansion. I'm betting the vast majority of the players who attended Fan Faire are long term players. We all got the expansion, therefore the long term players are getting the love. I'm unsure what the problem is.</blockquote>I'm right there with you, although this was my first Fan Faire, so I've been on the other side and felt the little ping when I found out what goodies the people who went got. But thats the way it works, you make the trip and put forth the effort and you get a little extra reward. Everyone I talked to at FF had been playing for many years, many like myself who'd been playing many of the SOE titles since they started.
<p>I to have played most of the SOE games since they launched. Heck I was even in the early beta for SWG. I like many long term players did not feel the need to attend Fan Faire. There are even some long term players that coud not make it to Fan Faire if they wanted to. </p><p>To say that all long term players attend fan faire is a logical fallacy. Some did and some did not. I bet even some new players were at fan faire.</p><p> Here is an example that you might understand.</p><li>Cheese is food. </li><li>Food is delicious. </li><li>Therefore, cheese is delicious. </li><p>Hmmm the above statment is not true, much like the one you made about all the long term players attend fan faire. So again I ask "Where is the love for the long term players?"</p><p>I will state again that I do not begrudge the players at fan faire getting items. That is as it should be. I am only asking "What is SOE going to do for the long term players?" </p><p>Not what did they do for expired accounts and not what did they do for people at Fan Faire.</p><p> It is time for SOE to step up and show they care about the player base and not just the super fans that feel the need to use their vaction time/money to attend an fan event. I think it is great that you went to fan faire I haope you had a great time. All of that means nothing to my question.</p>
ConradMax
08-20-2008, 01:08 AM
<p>Do you like playing SOE games? From this end, you seem as if you don't. I suppose you can always ask to play for free because you are a long term player. It seems as if you feel that SOE owes you something.</p><p>SOE does not owe anyone anything, sir. All they ever promised when you agreed to the terms is to provide updates and a constantly evolving game. Where is it in the User Agreement did anyone say that players of long standing will be rewarded with specialitems, bonuses or gifts?</p><p>Do you not understand why those that attended Fan faire were given gifts and those that didn't received none?</p><p>Heck, I stated above that Oprah and Dr. Phil sometimes do this for their attending audiences. Audience members have received books, electronics and even cars just for being there. Yet, there are millions of loyal viewers, those that purchase the products of the sponsers of the shows (therefore, you can consider them paying customers) who never received one of these gifts. </p><p>Oprah, a few weeks ago, gave her attending audience a copy of every Tom Cruise movie. I wish I had been there. I never thought that she owed me this. All she ever promised her audience was an entertaining and informative show.</p><p>The gifts issued to attendees was SOE's way of saying "Thank you for being loyal customers and for attending our Fan Faire". </p><p>If you really want these things for free, go to Orah, 's, Dr. Phils's and SOE's shows.</p><p>I can't believe that you are really upset over this. Is there something more to it?</p><p>Okay. This is really my final statement on this subject. I really don't think anything will change because of it. Good bye.</p>
Kinda lame arguement little dude. I imagine you are too young to have gone to any business conventions, or perhaps you never had the chance. There are always perks to ATTENDING an event. Whether in game (Living Legacy raids, GM Events, ETC) or in real life.. Real life is that thing that you exit your paren't basement to experiance. Perks and goodie bags are for people that pay money to attend. We didn't get an expansion for "free." We paid hard earned CASH to get it. Airfare $300 Hotel = 3 x $139 All Access pass = $89 Dinner and many drinks at Quarks before it goes = priceless Now what was the arguement?
Obviously from my spelling I'm not recovered from all the fun at FF yet...
Obviously from my spelling I'm not recovered from all the fun at FF yet... I can't help getting sarcastic when I am sleepy, I didn't mean to offend anyone.
<p><b><i>I will state again that I do not begrudge the players at fan faire getting items. That is as it should be. I am only asking "What is SOE going to do for the long term players?"</i></b> </p><p> Read the whole post before you respond with a "witty" comback.</p><p><b><i> Real life is that thing that you exit your paren't basement to experiance.</i></b> </p><p>Wow that is supposed to be a better and more mature response then using logic. Ok you win I do live in my parenst basement and do not really have a job working for one of the largest entertainment compaines in the world...you caught me.</p>
Palarr
08-20-2008, 11:07 PM
Veteran rewards? Living Legacy raids?
beauturkey
08-21-2008, 09:45 AM
Well, can't speak for myself, but I know some players that came from Finland and other places...THEY definitely deserved it! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Beau
juggies420
08-23-2008, 01:21 PM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b><i>I will state again that I do not begrudge the players at fan faire getting items. That is as it should be. I am only asking "What is SOE going to do for the long term players?"</i></b> </p></blockquote>How about continuing to provide you with a game to play and content to go with it?
Sandain666
08-23-2008, 08:08 PM
The original poster does nothing but complain about the Fan Faire. Just ignore him maybe he will go away.
Calthine
08-24-2008, 12:31 AM
<cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The original poster does nothing but complain about the Fan Faire. Just ignore him maybe he will go away.</blockquote>Optimism!
complain? Nope just asking questions in a non chearleader mode. Something you would never understand.
Sandain666
08-24-2008, 10:00 AM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>complain?Nope just asking questions in a non chearleader mode. Something you would never understand.</blockquote><p>First of all for someone who claims to argue on a logical basis please exlain how you were able to logically deduce what I am able to understand .</p><p>Secondly what you call "non cheerleader mode" I call being a arguemenative, whiny, obnoxious crybaby. Of course this is only my personal opinion. I invite anyone else who happens to see this post to take a look through Lekos past comments and give your opinion as well.</p><p>1) Non cheerleader mode</p><p>2) arguemenative, whiny, obnoxious crybaby</p><p>3)(insert your own opinion)</p><p>Actually reading all your past posts together is actually pretty funny</p>
beauturkey
08-24-2008, 11:40 AM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>So easy to bait.....</blockquote> Us Fan Faire attendees also got some free swag like T-shirts, pens and other fun stuff. You want any of that stuff? Attend Fan Faire. Beau
Again I do not want the items that fan faire players got. Just some for SOE to show they give a hoot about long term players.Should I use smaller words next time?
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b><i>I will state again that I do not begrudge the players at fan faire getting items. That is as it should be. I am only asking "What is SOE going to do for the long term players?"</i></b> </p><p> Read the whole post before you respond with a "witty" comback.</p></blockquote>
Sandain666
08-24-2008, 01:09 PM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>Again I do not want the items that fan faire players got. Just some for SOE to show they give a hoot about long term players.Should I use smaller words next time?</blockquote>From the lack of SOE response you could logically surmise that no one at SOE really cares about your crying and moaning disguised as concern for long term players.
<cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>Again I do not want the items that fan faire players got. Just some for SOE to show they give a hoot about long term players.Should I use smaller words next time?</blockquote>From the lack of SOE response you could logically surmise that no one at SOE really cares about your crying and moaning disguised as concern for long term players.</blockquote>You seem to care a whole bunch. It's touching really.
Sandain666
08-24-2008, 05:12 PM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>Again I do not want the items that fan faire players got. Just some for SOE to show they give a hoot about long term players.Should I use smaller words next time?</blockquote>From the lack of SOE response you could logically surmise that no one at SOE really cares about your crying and moaning disguised as concern for long term players.</blockquote>You seem to care a whole bunch. It's touching really.</blockquote>Wether I care or not is irrelevant since I cannot do anything to address your pissant complaints. I would be interested to hear how you used logic to deduce in any of my previus statements that I care though.
beauturkey
08-24-2008, 05:15 PM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>Again I do not want the items that fan faire players got. Just some for SOE to show they give a hoot about long term players.Should I use smaller words next time?</blockquote> Well, I don't know what to tell you. If you are convinced they do not give a hoot, then stop paying them. Just a suggestion. Beau
<cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>Again I do not want the items that fan faire players got. Just some for SOE to show they give a hoot about long term players.Should I use smaller words next time?</blockquote>From the lack of SOE response you could logically surmise that no one at SOE really cares about your crying and moaning disguised as concern for long term players.</blockquote>You seem to care a whole bunch. It's touching really.</blockquote>Wether I care or not is irrelevant since I cannot do anything to address your pissant complaints. I would be interested to hear how you used logic to deduce in any of my previus statements that I care though.</blockquote><p>You said SOE has not responed because they do not care. By using your own logic, you clearly seem to care about this issue.</p><p>Now you may care to disagree with me but you care all the same.</p>
Sandain666
08-24-2008, 06:30 PM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>Again I do not want the items that fan faire players got. Just some for SOE to show they give a hoot about long term players.Should I use smaller words next time?</blockquote>From the lack of SOE response you could logically surmise that no one at SOE really cares about your crying and moaning disguised as concern for long term players.</blockquote>You seem to care a whole bunch. It's touching really.</blockquote>Wether I care or not is irrelevant since I cannot do anything to address your pissant complaints. I would be interested to hear how you used logic to deduce in any of my previus statements that I care though.</blockquote><p>You said SOE has not responed because they do not care. By using your own logic, you clearly seem to care about this issue.</p><p>Now you may care to disagree with me but you care all the same.</p></blockquote>I said you could "logically surmise" that no one at SOE cares. I never said it was a forgone conclusion. You still have yet to show the steps your thought process followed to come by the conclusion that I care about your whiny complaints to SOE.
You really are worked up over my post. That is so funny.
Sandain666
08-24-2008, 08:46 PM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>You really are worked up over my post. That is so funny.</blockquote>You really can't put together a coherent logical argument. That is so sad.
I will gladly debate you if you are willing to stick to the topic at hand. You keep wanting to move the goal post in the topic.My OP was that is was unfair to give the FF peeps the eq and eq2 expansions as part of the Living Legacy Program because the Living Legacy Program has done nothing to address the long term players.If SOE had just said "Hey all you FF peeps get the expansions for being at the event". Then there would have not been one peep from me about it, as stated giving swag at events is the norm, but since SOE labled it as part of the Living Legacy Program I draw umbrage from them giving away more items without addressing the long term players base.Vet rewards do not count at addressing the long term players base as they are ment to be a reward for ALL players once they have been in the game for set amounts of time.I have asked what is SOE going to do in the Living Legacy Program for the players that have stuck with them for the long haul. Right now its nothing. I would like SOE to step up and tell the long term players what they have planned for us.That is not an unresonabe request.
Tharkis
08-24-2008, 11:01 PM
Um... giving fan faire attendees the expansion free was part of the fan faire promotional program NOT part of living legacy, living legacy is over. They're two very seperate and distinct events. Living legacy was a promotion to get back former players of eq and eq2. Fan Faire was a convention for current SoE game players to have fun, get news, and get wined and dined (for our registration fee) The free expansions was a nice perk, not announced before hand, of going to the fan faire. There has always been stuff like this for fan faire and other conventions, that's part of going to a convention.
Howler31
08-24-2008, 11:35 PM
<p>Leko, I've been playing EQ2 since about 6 months after launch. When I heard about the Living Legacy promotion, I thought, much as you apparently still do, that there would be something for long term players. It turns out that the only thing us long term players got was the same thing we always got...a constantly evolving online game, with continual updates, and the chance to play with friends that we have made.</p><p>I also attended Fan Faire. Did I expect to get the next expansions for EQ and EQ2 for free? no. am I glad I am? Yes. am I really getting them for free? No. I spent almost $600 just to get to Fan Faire (airfaire, hotel, and registration for FF), and does not include food, drinks, etc. that I had to pay for while I was out there. so, lets see, here, two expansions for $600+ or two expansions for $80? that's a no brainer. Am I glad I went to Fan Faire? Yes. I learned alot about what is planned for the future of the games, as well as what cool new games are coming out.</p><p>As for new players getting a free copy of the expansion of EQ and/or EQ2 with the Living Legacy promotion, there is no such promotion. New and returning players, who converted to a monthly subscription before their "trial" ran out got a free copy of Rise of Kunark or Secrets of Faydwer, depending on the game they were in. Both of those games are currently out, and are used as part of the win-back program. the only "perk" that new and returning players get towards the next expansion is, if they convert to a monthly subscription, $5.00 off the cost, if they purchase the expansion as a digital download through the station store. So, if new and returning players convert from the "trial" to a monthly subscribtion, they get the next expansion for their respective game for $35 instead of $40. ooh, that's big savings there, ain't it.</p>
What you paid matters not. My issue is not based around money. Pfft what you listed as spending means nothing to my bottom line. I spend that on shoes. My issue is around the lack of customer service that SOE shows its players. I know that will be a hard point to get across on the "We love everything SOE does and if I chear loud enough I might get a job at SOE one day board" but try and understand it.
Calthine
08-25-2008, 01:28 AM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>What you paid matters not. My issue is not based around money. Pfft what you listed as spending means nothing to my bottom line. I spend that on shoes. My issue is around the lack of customer service that SOE shows its players. I know that will be a hard point to get across on the "We love everything SOE does and if I chear loud enough I might get a job at SOE one day board" but try and understand it.</blockquote>*shrug* Convention goers get swag. Our swag included the next expansion. This is pretty normal in the world.
juggies420
08-25-2008, 05:59 AM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>What you paid matters not. My issue is not based around money. Pfft what you listed as spending means nothing to my bottom line. I spend that on shoes. My issue is around the lack of customer service that SOE shows its players. I know that will be a hard point to get across on the "We love everything SOE does and if I chear loud enough I might get a job at SOE one day board" but try and understand it.</blockquote>Since you are so rich you can make your own game and give players all the free stuff you want...there problem solved. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />
Howler31
08-25-2008, 10:48 AM
<p>After finally getting everything unpacked and organized again, I came across a little bit of info for you Leko. ALL Fan Faire attendees (and I mean EVERYONE who attended Fan Faire, NOT just Everquest or Everquest 2 players) are getting the free expansions to both games. That right there makes it part of the S.W.A.G. that we got this year. if you don't like that, then by all means send your hate-mail to SOE, but please stop blasting SOE for not giving you your little pacifier. Either that, or just stop paying and playing. I'm sure losing your money will be all the encouragement they need to give in to all your demands. oh, wait, they lost only a small drop from their revenue, nevermind.</p><p>so in conclusion, either shut-up and deal with it, or just stop paying and playing. those are your two options. live with it or leave it.</p><p>/rant off</p><p>Take care everyone. I'm just gonna stop reading this particular forum since apparently all this guy knows how to do is gripe, b!7ch, and complain.</p>
Sandain666
08-25-2008, 11:37 AM
Maybe SOE can follow Sprint's lead<a href="http://www.betanews.com/article/Sprint_Hangs_Up_on_Problem_Customers/1183667070" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.betanews.com/article/Spr...mers/1183667070</a>
beauturkey
08-25-2008, 03:06 PM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite><blockquote>What you paid matters not. My issue is not based around money. Pfft what you listed as spending means nothing to my bottom line. I spend that on shoes. My issue is around the lack of customer service that SOE shows its players. I know that will be a hard point to get across on the "We love everything SOE does and if I chear loud enough I might get a job at SOE one day board" but try and understand it.</blockquote> But see, they DID show support for thier players, and gave the expansions for free. In everything, there is a cut-off. They said "Hey, if you are a player, and come to Fan Faire, you get these expansions for free. Sorry, if you didn't come to Fan Faire, you do not get them for free." How is that cutting out long term players? Just because they didn't aloow those that DIDN'T attend to get the expansions doesn't mean they gave them to no one. If every single player attended, they would have all recieved one. See, you are saying they should have given a copy to every long term player, as though what they did was unfair. But it wasn't: it was an open playing field. Those players that wanted the expansions (or that thought they might recieve anything) could have CAME TO FAN FAIRE. There are cut-off's and limits to everything. You didn't go within the limits. You will not get the free stuff. Beau
Sleet
08-25-2008, 03:16 PM
<cite>Leko wrote:</cite> (emphasis mine)<blockquote>Vet rewards do not count at addressing the long term players base as they are ment to be a reward for ALL players once they have been in the game for <b>set amounts of time</b>.</blockquote><p>I fail to see your point here. Veterans are long timers by definition. ALL players have the potential to become long-term players and the longer you play, the more vet rewards you get. How does this not count?</p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/veteran" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><b>vet·er·an</b></a> [vet-er-uhn, ve-truhn] -noun 1. a person who has had <b>long service or experience</b> in an occupation, office, or the like: a veteran of the police force; a veteran of many sports competitions. 2. a person who has served in a military force, esp. one who has fought in a war: a Vietnam veteran. -adjective 3. (of soldiers) having had service or experience in warfare: veteran troops. 4. experienced through <b>long service or practice</b>; having served for a <b>long period</b>: a veteran member of Congress. 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of veterans.
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