Heirloom Havoc Marks

[Gealaen_Gaiamancer]

<p>From the 08/28/2012 Test Update Notes:</p><p style="PADDING-LEFT: 30px"><span ><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">ITEMS</span></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; PADDING-LEFT: 30px"><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; PADDING-LEFT: 30px"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></span></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Havoc Marks are now Heirloom instead of No Trade.</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></span> </p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </p><p style="text-align: justify; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Well, that happened faster than expected.  I figured it'd be a few more months (although it could be, before it goes Live, of course).</p><p style="text-align: justify; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p style="text-align: justify; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Part of me--the part that gleefully plays several characters--perks up at the prospect of being able to pool Havoc Marks from several toons to make purchases on one.  But, overall, I liked the thought that folks were forced to spend Havoc Marks only on the character that earned them.  I think I'm past the initial emotional response now, and will probably be okay with the change.  What do you think?</p><p style="text-align: justify; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p style="text-align: justify; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"> </p><p style="text-align: justify; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">See you in the Battlegrounds!</p><p style="text-align: justify; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">90-92BG: Gealaen (92 Warden)</p><p style="text-align: justify; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">30-89BG: Tyraen (42 Ranger)</p>

[Xzerius]

<p>/agreed</p><p>I knew it would be a matter of time and I no longer see a problem with it, as I too have a few different alts and it would certainly be nice to log to a needed/useful class for the sake of a group set up for BG's and use the tokens on my main.  Especially on those days where it seems like you can't even buy a healer.</p>

[Luhai]

<p>I like that change. It's already hard enough to get any BGs going at all on a localized server.</p><p>This way I can at least log in my healer, if needed, and collect marks for my other chars.</p>

[CowControl]

<p>That is nice thing, ppl will do wfs again, and also tokens on lock chars will have any use lol</p>

[Twyxx]

<p>Yeah, I never understood why it wasn't like that already.  I like bg'ing on my ranger, but it doesn't need any of that gear.  So there was no real reward for me.  Now that I can bg on the ranger and gear up my alts for pve with it I might get in there more (if gw2 weren't around of course).</p>

[Ulrichvon]

<p><cite>CowControl wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That is nice thing, ppl will do wfs again, and also tokens on lock chars will have any use lol</p></blockquote><p>Rewarding people to stay locked is the absolute wrong decision here.</p><p>SoE caved on this way too fast.  If you had a 92 player who had all the top pvp gear and nothing to spend it on, then it was time to make them hierloom, not a minute less.</p><p>Just cause raiders on their mains have no reason to buy the pvp gear isn't an arguement for making them heirloom, its more of an arguement to why toughness and lethality are not quite as impactful as they should be, and the values in pvp with the best gear should be slightly better for pvp combat than top raid gear.  Currently that doesn't seem to be the case.</p><p>So, the various things that are wrong, making marks heirloom was the wrong decision.  I very much prefered the system where the people I'm BGing against actually earned the gear they are using with that toon.   Rewarding people for level locking a 39 BL, is not the direction pvp needs to go in.</p>

[CowControl]

<p><cite>Ulrichvon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>CowControl wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That is nice thing, ppl will do wfs again, and also tokens on lock chars will have any use lol</p></blockquote><p>Rewarding people to stay locked is the absolute wrong decision here.</p><p>SoE caved on this way too fast.  If you had a 92 player who had all the top pvp gear and nothing to spend it on, then it was time to make them hierloom, not a minute less.</p><p>Just cause raiders on their mains have no reason to buy the pvp gear isn't an arguement for making them heirloom, its more of an arguement to why toughness and lethality are not quite as impactful as they should be, and the values in pvp with the best gear should be slightly better for pvp combat than top raid gear.  Currently that doesn't seem to be the case.</p><p>So, the various things that are wrong, making marks heirloom was the wrong decision.  I very much prefered the system where the people I'm BGing against actually earned the gear they are using with that toon.   Rewarding people for level locking a 39 BL, is not the direction pvp needs to go in.</p></blockquote><p>I have 4 char lvl 92/320, 2 full raid gear, other 2 raid/UD, why i have to unlock my lvl 80 & 50 chars when they are geared and maxed AAs??I dont have any interest on play then on lvl 92 and have to farmgear for more chars. Atm i have 8ktokens on lvl 80 chars, since i play then for fun not to get tokens. Maybe when i have tokens to insta gear any of then on 92 i think about grind to 92,be abletrade tokens from chars i dont need will help.</p><p>Also it will help see more classes in BGs instead see ppl stuck on char, since ppl atm only play the char where he need tokens not what is needed andthat is why 80% play dps classes, for extra tokens.</p>

[Ulrichvon]

<p><cite>CowControl wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Also it will help see more classes in BGs instead see ppl stuck on char, since ppl atm only play the char where he need tokens not what is needed andthat is why 80% play dps classes, for extra tokens.</p></blockquote><p>No, the result is most people will do the quest, log next toon, do the quest, rinse and repeat.</p>

[CowControl]

<p><cite>Ulrichvon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>CowControl wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Also it will help see more classes in BGs instead see ppl stuck on char, since ppl atm only play the char where he need tokens not what is needed andthat is why 80% play dps classes, for extra tokens.</p></blockquote><p>No, the result is most people will do the quest, log next toon, do the quest, rinse and repeat.</p></blockquote><p>yes lol, as i sayed and as u wrote, it will help seemore classes and not only scout / mage.</p>

[Applo]

<p>Horrible idea.</p><p>Ah well, titles mean nothing again in PvP.  People won't have to work for their pvp gear on that toon anymore so now it's just going to be back to the same old crap that killed pvp last time.</p>

[Cynicisim]

<p>Havoc marks Hierloom? That is a terrible idea. Why return to the time when one toon can deck out all the other toons? I really hope this is a mistake. It will only hurt pvp expecially at the 30-89 lvl both in BGs and OW pvp.</p><p>We will see more undergeared afk toons in BGs (expecially at lower lvls) as they are only there to get the quest tokens. I have 10 characters and I bet I can deck out one toon in a week (must faster then raiding btw). Of course my toons will offer nothing to my group in BGs, wil have treasured gear and app1 CAs but who cares. I can give the tokens to a toon I actually play.</p><p>PS: most of these 10 characters are my crafter who lvl soley by disco doing crafting quests and have never actually picked up a weapon so enjoy having them on your team.</p><p>One point I only touched on: pvp gear is equivilent to raid gear and the reason was that it will take just as long to get the pvp gear. If the tokens are tradable you tarnish the gear that raiders worked so hard to get as well as those of use who worked to get the pvp gear on a toon we actually play.</p><p>Tradeable tokens are a very bad idea.</p><p>Yup. very bad ideas are enacted. A friend just decked out his 92 with full T3 using his locked lowbies that would never use the pvp gear at that lvl because it is awful. He was complaing that it took to long to transfer all the tokens so can you allow him xfer them in bulk? Oh, and he wants the cap limit on the tokens in the currency window increased.</p><p>And while you are at it, can you make x4 zones scale to lvl but allow a choice of what lvl gear drops? I want to take my lvl 30 BL and farm some raid gear for my lvl 92. Thanks.</p><p>yet another edit: in my experience my scouts get far more tokens then my healers or tanks in BGs. So if I can get more and give them to my healer or tank, why play either? Plus they get no exp for BGs due to cap. Hope this makes sense what the make up of a group may end up at with the token exchanges.</p>

[Lathain_Sarathai]

<p>No trade was terrible idea</p><p>you remember your in game with SLR, and heirloom gear (everything) ?</p>