Group t8 players with t9 players

[Silverzx]

<p>Right now, the difference with mythical compared to lower players without mythical is just too great and thats not even counting all the extra aa lines and abilities.  Lower level players don't stand a chance especially the popular t4 tier.  The two tiers should be:</p><p>1-79</p><p>80+</p><p>Will a t8 player be as strong as a t9 player?  no, nor was it meant to be(same argument as t8 vs t4).  But their chances against a t9 will be greater, than a t4 fighting a t8.</p><p>t8 and t9 are the only tiers that use mythicals and raid gear in bgs.</p>

[Delethen]

<p>If anything they need to lump the level 90s in there with you lot.</p>

[Chronus1]

I agree with Delethen on this one, though it would remove the thrill when occasionally you're on the team of 92s and the 90s are on the other team and you can run around 1 shotting them.

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Delethen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If anything they need to lump the level 90s in there with you lot.</p></blockquote><p>might as well, it's not like the non t8 players will even notice a difference.</p>

[ZeroHero]

<p>I'd recommend BG's for 30-79, 80-91 and 92.    Pretty much all 90 & 91 toons get smeared by 92s.  If there was a way to more discrely shunt lvl 92s with poor gear (like, under 40K hps) into the 80-91 crowd that might be nice too.  If you could (de-)equip gear to confuse the matchmaker then that wouldn't be a resonable thing to do.</p>

[Cynicisim]

<p>Here is a solution rather than change the game to fit the player, lvl to 92. It only takes a few hours for the AA or lvls. Put some time into it.</p><p>I agree the difference between a monk with his myth and without add 20+ lvls and there is a gapping problem. That and the amount of diversity in CAs you have at lvl 80-89. But I just kill what I can and move on if I cannot. It works for me.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Cynicisim@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here is a solution rather than change the game to fit the player, lvl to 92. It only takes a few hours for the AA or lvls. Put some time into it.</p><p>I agree the difference between a monk with his myth and without add 20+ lvls and there is a gapping problem. That and the amount of diversity in CAs you have at lvl 80-89. But I just kill what I can and move on if I cannot. It works for me.</p></blockquote><p>good solution, but it doesn't change the fact that the lower tier bgs aren't even remotely fair for level 30s-70s players due to the gapping problem you mentioned.  Give the non t8's that don't use mythicals and raid gear a fighting chance.  Sure you could wait till 92 to do bgs, or just bg on your 92, but leveling players should be allowed to have fun in bgs also.  As it is right now, it simply isn't fun if you're not 80.</p>

[Shotneedle]

<p>I still wreck face on my 80s that don't have raid gear/even heroic epic done. I'd wreck face on a 50 in mastercrafted. Most people who play the low tier just suck. My warlock at 90 was still better than most 92s.</p><p>Lower levels should just level up to 80 and gear themselves instead. Then still get killed. Repeatedly.</p>

[Yimway]

<p>They should be as such:</p><p>30-60</p><p>61-89</p><p>91-92</p><p>I've seen players outside of T8 that can do well, but they are a minority by far.  The issue is AA and crit chance.  They need to scale up crit chance  more for the lower level players to give them a bit more impact in a match.</p><p>90's just DO NOT belong with 91-92.  They don't have the 270 AA requirement on them, and most times the 90s are not even a speed bump in the match.  Conversely, the gear available to someone who locked at 90 is simply unballancing to what is available to lower tier players.   So, I think the best course of action is to simply have that level blacked out from BGs.</p>

[tbankert]

<p>I'm not going to say it isn't broken, but I can be pretty competitive on my Troub who is locked at 39 at the moment I'll start leveling him up once I get enough tokens to pick up the 40 gear, but I don't usually play him that much any more.  I do agree that crit chance, and multi attack should be bumped up for low levels, and AA restrictions should certainly be looked at possibly bring the aa use back up to 165 for sub level 70's</p>

[Latomier12]

<p>You guys truly need to get over this wanting a separation of Tiers, I mean atm the lvl 30-40s are getting a NICE DPS increase from SOE while the 80+ got a lowered DPS gift, most of the top parsers in BGs atm are lvl 30+ BLs, Lock/Wiz and Assassin, just pay attention to the info at end of matches... I have a lvl 40 BL and 90% of the time im top in kill counts and DMG per BG..Myths aren't even a big issue, I'm killing Myth / raid geared toons that are 80-85 with my 40 BL with no issue.. SO i truly don't get what your crying over.. L2Play i guess, cause I for one love the increase in BG activity and that's directly from the combine of the Tiers in there..Before I spent lots of time twiddling my thumbs waiting for a BG group at lvl 40</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Latomier12 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You guys truly need to get over this wanting a separation of Tiers, I mean atm the lvl 30-40s are getting a NICE DPS increase from SOE while the 80+ got a lowered DPS gift, most of the top parsers in BGs atm are lvl 30+ BLs, Lock/Wiz and Assassin, just pay attention to the info at end of matches... I have a lvl 40 BL and 90% of the time im top in kill counts and DMG per BG..Myths aren't even a big issue, I'm killing Myth / raid geared toons that are 80-85 with my 40 BL with no issue.. SO i truly don't get what your crying over.. L2Play i guess, cause I for one love the increase in BG activity and that's directly from the combine of the Tiers in there..Before I spent lots of time twiddling my thumbs waiting for a BG group at lvl 40</p></blockquote><p>Try something other than a BL and get back to us.</p><p>A BL, of any level can kill effectively.  Thats due to the how powerful the primals are in pvp irregardless of level.</p><p>I've not found a single healer under 60 that isn't just completely rolled over.  I see them casting their 'big heals' that heal me for all of 10% health.</p>

[Latomier12]

<p>I have a 40 BL, 39 WIZ and a 92 LOCK and they are all out DPSing 90% of the time.. My lvl 39 and 40 toons are Nuking for 10K plus in BGs and my BL pet is hitting for 8K plus...So again I don't understand what you are crying over with the Tier mixes, I live just fine through the matches against raid geared / Mythed toons.. I also have a lvl 40 Warden who can still out heal most DPS put on me, only time I die on him is when i get grossly out numbered.. So again this claim of your is full of holes, maybe you just need to learn your class better instead of screaming for Nerfs or segregation of lvls..</p>

[Freejazzlive]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>90's just DO NOT belong with 91-92.  They don't have the<strong> 270 AA requirement</strong> on them</p></blockquote><p>280, actually -- at least, that's what "Untapped Potential" is telling me I need to acquire before I can get to 91.</p><p>Not that it matters much to me, tho: from everything I'm reading, the entire Battlegrounds concept is largely broken & not worth playing, & in any event, I'm sick past my ears of instances, & even more sick of instanced "PvP."</p><p>FWIW, I deleted my Naggy character. It very clearly wasn't worth my time to level up on that server just so I can get to what appears to be the only PvP available -- especially when I can get the same "PvP experience" on my Blue server, where I can level up to 92/320 without worrying about getting interrupted.</p><p>Yay for utterly nerfed, worthless "PvP."</p>

[Latomier12]

<p>sadddddd but true..=(</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Latomier12 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have a 40 BL, 39 WIZ and a 92 LOCK and they are all out DPSing 90% of the time.. My lvl 39 and 40 toons are Nuking for 10K plus in BGs and my BL pet is hitting for 8K plus...So again I don't understand what you are crying over with the Tier mixes, I live just fine through the matches against raid geared / Mythed toons.. I also have a lvl 40 Warden who can still out heal most DPS put on me, only time I die on him is when i get grossly out numbered.. So again this claim of your is full of holes, maybe you just need to learn your class better instead of screaming for Nerfs or segregation of lvls..</p></blockquote><p>who is your 39 wizard?  I've done the lower bgs alot and I haven't seen a single wiz that low do well.  As for your beastlord doing well, yeah we all know beastlords own all.  Too bad theres the other 16 classes to consider.</p>

[sokil]

<p>I understand that it can be tough to fight lvl 89s with myths and that lvl 90s get the clown prize in BGs but adding more layers will only make the q's for BGs impossible. I would rather fight 89 at lvl 39 or lvl up past 90 rather than have long Qs standing around waiting.</p><p>for full disclosure: I have two lvl 90s that lack aa's and some lower lvl toons that have difficulty against lvl 89s with more aa, ca and myths and proc gear.</p>

[Silverzx]

<p><cite>Sochi@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I understand that it can be tough to fight lvl 89s with myths and that lvl 90s get the clown prize in BGs but adding more layers will only make the q's for BGs impossible. I would rather fight 89 at lvl 39 or lvl up past 90 rather than have long Qs standing around waiting.</p><p>for full disclosure: I have two lvl 90s that lack aa's and some lower lvl toons that have difficulty against lvl 89s with more aa, ca and myths and proc gear.</p></blockquote><p>what i posted wasn't even adding additional layers, its just making the top end a little more diverse and still keeping it 2 layers.</p>

[gourdon]

<p>There are too many problems with dividing BGs by level for it to be anything but a bad idea.  No matter how they are divided, people will look for the optimal level locking points and exploit it.  This, in turn will create the same or greater inequities.  Then, for all this effort, we get a divided player base as many abandon the maximum tier game to go gank noobs.</p><p>At least as it is, the incentives are aligned properly.  Get levels, but make sure you've maximized your AAs.  So long as you don't get a bunch of levels without getting AAs and not improving equipment, you should make progress.  There probably should be some tools to help lower level characters play more of a support role and stay in the background where they won't just get picked on all of the time, and there are probably some issues with how the scaling up should work, but we are closer to the right setup now than we were when BGs came out and lower tiers existed for the sole purpose of exploits.</p>

[Ulrichvon]

<p><cite>gourdon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>there are probably some issues with how the scaling up should work, but we are closer to the right setup now than we were when BGs came out and lower tiers existed for the sole purpose of exploits.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, seems like the recent boost they got was slightly too much, as in someone that really min/maxed a 39 toon can really rock now, like, I think if I'd stayed 39 I'd be better than being 89.  Now, the average lowbie player is a bit better now, but the min/maxers are a bit offsetting.</p>

[alabama]

<p><cite>Freejazzlive wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>90's just DO NOT belong with 91-92.  They don't have the<strong> 270 AA requirement</strong> on them</p></blockquote><p>280, actually -- at least, that's what "Untapped Potential" is telling me I need to acquire before I can get to 91.</p><p>Not that it matters much to me, tho: from everything I'm reading, the entire Battlegrounds concept is largely broken & not worth playing, & in any event, I'm sick past my ears of instances, & even more sick of instanced "PvP."</p><p>FWIW, I deleted my Naggy character. It very clearly wasn't worth my time to level up on that server just so I can get to what appears to be the only PvP available -- <span style="color: #ff0000;">especially when I can get the same "PvP experience" on my Blue server, where I can level up to 92/320 without worrying about getting interrupted.</span></p><p>Yay for utterly nerfed, worthless "PvP."</p></blockquote><p>to each their own. however the highlighted explains your mindset pretty straight forward. the people who play on nag to pvp enjoy that added danger. its not called being interrupted to them, its called pvp. if you dont enjoy that part then you probably dont enjoy pvp.</p>

[Hammieee]

<p>30-90 so i can level to 90 and get full dov hard modesies <3.</p>