92 BG gear

[Piccolo]

<p>How do i get the fabled level 92 pvp gear? it says i need the level 91 gear in order to buy it.</p>

[Twyxx]

<p>If you look to the right side it lists the currency requirements.  You have to first buy the lvl 90 version with havoc marks.  Then you turn that in (unequip it and have it in your bags) along with the next havoc mark requirement to get the 91 version.  Then rinse/repeat for the 92 version. </p><p>Just don't be dumb and accidentally buy the lvl 70 version like I did.</p>

[Proud_Silence]

<p><cite>Twyxx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you look to the right side it lists the currency requirements.  You have to first buy the lvl 90 version with havoc marks.  Then you turn that in (unequip it and have it in your bags) along with the next havoc mark requirement to get the 91 version.  Then rinse/repeat for the 92 version. </p><p><strong>Just don't be dumb and accidentally buy the lvl 70 version like I did.</strong></p></blockquote><p>thanks man, i got chocolate milk running out my nose now....</p>

[Twyxx]

<p><cite>Proud_Silence wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Twyxx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you look to the right side it lists the currency requirements.  You have to first buy the lvl 90 version with havoc marks.  Then you turn that in (unequip it and have it in your bags) along with the next havoc mark requirement to get the 91 version.  Then rinse/repeat for the 92 version. </p><p><strong>Just don't be dumb and accidentally buy the lvl 70 version like I did.</strong></p></blockquote><p>thanks man, i got chocolate milk running out my nose now....</p></blockquote><p>It being grey shoulda been a clue.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Piccolo]

<p><strong>so i need to spend atleast 10k in Havoc marks, before i can spend over 10k in marks for the gear i am supposed to be wearing?  Why does this sound stupid to me?</strong></p>

[Twyxx]

<p><cite>Piccolo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>so i need to spend atleast 10k in Havoc marks, before i can spend over 10k in marks for the gear i am supposed to be wearing?  Why does this sound stupid to me?</strong></p></blockquote><p>you can think of it as 20k for the gear if it helps.</p>

[japanfour]

<p><cite>Piccolo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>so i need to spend atleast 10k in Havoc marks, before i can spend over 10k in marks for the gear i am supposed to be wearing?  Why does this sound stupid to me?</strong></p></blockquote><p>so i need to kill this rat so i can kill this crab so i can kill this bird person so i can kill this centaur so i can kill this.........</p><p>its a time sink!</p>

[Piccolo]

<p><strong>I understand time sink, but to waste marks on lower level gear is just stupid.</strong></p>

[cutiechicchi]

<p>I agree..and besides, for the previous BG update, we all had to work for new types of tokens to get all the gear they put in BGs. now they turned those tokens into Legacy marks that aren't even useful in buying armor.</p><p>Now they want us to spend an average of 6500 marks per piece of BG gear. Why would I want to buy a lvl 90 legendary piece of armor when I am already lvl 92.</p><p>Seriously, did anyone even think this really through? Do you expect to keep us all busy trying to grind marks in between raids so we don't notice there is no new content?</p><p>This needs to be reviewed. At least let us use our full set of old BG gear to trade for marks or even get that stupid, useless legandary lvl 90 gear we will just use as currency!</p>

[Darkholis]

<p><cite>cutiechicchi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I agree..and besides, for the previous BG update, we all had to work for new types of tokens to get all the gear they put in BGs. now they turned those tokens into Legacy marks that aren't even useful in buying armor.</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">They did that so everybody starts from zero. Nobody can have stacked tokens before the update.</span></p><p>Now they want us to spend an average of 6500 marks per piece of BG gear. Why would I want to buy a lvl 90 legendary piece of armor when I am already lvl 92.</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">The BP is about 6k tokens and all the others pieces are less. 6k tokens is a joke to farm right now, took me 30-36 hours to get my T3 shoulders and already half-way done with the BP. They should be harder to get to ensure BGs will last more than 4 weeks.</span></p><p>Seriously, did anyone even think this really through? Do you expect to keep us all busy trying to grind marks in between raids so we don't notice there is no new content?</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">If you're a serious raider, besides raiding and farming plat, the game is dead so yes BGs is a good option, considering the quality if gear there.</span></p><p>This needs to be reviewed. At least let us use our full set of old BG gear to trade for marks or even get that stupid, useless legandary lvl 90 gear we will just use as currency!</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Nope, like I previously said, they did that so everybody starts from scrath. Trading your old armor for tokens or new armor, give me a break. I personally left BGs when tundra came out because it was just the BS Nagafen domination. I'm more than happy to see them start all over and get killed like everybody in order to get their gear.</span></p></blockquote>

[Piccolo]

<p><strong>I don't want to exchange any old tokens for new tokens. I would rather pay 20k per piece then buy</strong></p><p><strong>level 90 gear, then buy level 91 gear just to buy the level 92 gear. </strong></p>

[Winter12345]

<p>I disagree. Keep the large amount of tokens that are required for each armor piece.</p><p>This is what I hate most about the EQ2 community. Before the PvP update, people were MOANING and COMPLAINING that there was no PvP gear, or they made snide comments such as "It only took me 2 weeks to gear up SOE, thanks for the update."</p><p>SOE is finally hitting back. If you want to spend time, spend your time getting tokens to buy gear.</p>

[Gealaen_Gaiamancer]

<p><cite>Piccolo@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>I don't want to exchange any old tokens for new tokens. I would rather pay 20k per piece then buy</strong></p><p><strong>level 90 gear, then buy level 91 gear just to buy the level 92 gear. </strong></p></blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">Okay.  Save up the total number of Havoc Marks that you'd need to buy the 92 item.  But <span style="text-decoration: underline;">don't</span> spend them until you have them <span style="text-decoration: underline;">all</span>.  Then buy the 90, then the 91, and then the 92.  You get your wish--you just spent X,000 Havoc Marks and got the 92 gear!!1!!1!!</p><p style="text-align: justify;">I can understand that having to buy the lower gear seems like a burden to folks who are past that gear (because they have PVE raid gear already)--but it's really not that big of a challenge.  Especially if you only need to fill in a few slots.  The math is the same for everyone and--be honest--is it really that hard to click "buy" three times instead of one time?</p><p style="text-align: justify;">There are a lot of folks (and I'm one of them) who are not raiders, and who are getting use out of at least one of the level 91 BG armor items "on the way up".  [Side note: it'll be nice when the feeds go out from EQ2 so the new items show up on EQ2U!]</p>

[Gealaen_Gaiamancer]

<p><cite>Darkholis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>cutiechicchi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Seriously, did anyone even think this really through? Do you expect to keep us all busy trying to grind marks in between raids so we don't notice there is no new content?</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">If you're a serious raider, besides raiding and farming plat, the game is dead so yes BGs is a good option, considering the quality if gear there.</span></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #339966;">I think someone seriously underestimates the level of OCD behavior involved in the part of the game playing population.  And it's not the game designers.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  BGs are a very fun, quick, diversion between other game events/activities.</span></p><p>This needs to be reviewed. At least let us use our full set of old BG gear to trade for marks or even get that stupid, useless legandary lvl 90 gear we will just use as currency!</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">Nope, like I previously said, they did that so everybody starts from scrath. Trading your old armor for tokens or new armor, give me a break. I personally left BGs when tundra came out because it was just the BS Nagafen domination. I'm more than happy to see them start all over and get killed like everybody in order to get their gear.</span></p><span style="color: #339966;">Nagafen peeps can get Havoc Marks much faster than "the rest of us" ... so the Naggy BG domination will resume shortly.  If it hasn't already.  At least the new gear structure (with PVE items being effective) puts non-Naggy-folk within shouting distance.  When they play together well, instead of running around like startled sheep and getting defeated in detail.</span></blockquote></blockquote>

[apwyork]

<p><cite>Intercede@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I disagree. Keep the large amount of tokens that are required for each armor piece.</p><p>This is what I hate most about the EQ2 community. Before the PvP update, people were MOANING and COMPLAINING that there was no PvP gear, or they made snide comments such as "It only took me 2 weeks to gear up SOE, thanks for the update."</p><p>SOE is finally hitting back. If you want to spend time, spend your time getting tokens to buy gear.</p></blockquote><p>ok, if you are really good, you get 60-80 marks for winning and getting a number of achievements and kills.  333 matches would get you 1 92 piece.  Some are more expensive, others less, but we'll just go with this number as an average.  So for 9? pieces of gear you need to do 3000 matches.  So yes, that is absurdly high.</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>apwyork wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ok, if you are really good, you get 60-80 marks for winning and getting a number of achievements and kills.  333 matches would get you 1 92 piece.  Some are more expensive, others less, but we'll just go with this number as an average.  So for 9? pieces of gear you need to do 3000 matches.  So yes, that is absurdly high.</p></blockquote><p>Casually playing I'm getting in ~20 matches a day.  I lean on agreeing that its a little off.  I would think if I was dedicated and did 50 matches a day, it should take me ~90 days to get all slots.  Atleast, that is where I would set the bar.</p><p>SoE seems to have set it considerably higher.</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p><cite>cutiechicchi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I agree..and besides, for the previous BG update, we all had to work for new types of tokens to get all the gear they put in BGs. now they turned those tokens into Legacy marks that aren't even useful in buying armor.</p><p>Now they want us to spend an average of 6500 marks per piece of BG gear. Why would I want to buy a lvl 90 legendary piece of armor when I am already lvl 92.</p><p>Seriously, did anyone even think this really through? Do you expect to keep us all busy trying to grind marks in between raids so we don't notice there is no new content?</p><p>This needs to be reviewed. At least let us use our full set of old BG gear to trade for marks or even get that stupid, useless legandary lvl 90 gear we will just use as currency!</p></blockquote><p>This does not need to be reviewed.  It is working as intended.  It is marrying pvp/e as it should be.  This is the direction Norrath needs to be moving.  We are a cult subset of the MMO community.  We do not maintain the numbers of WoW or other games.  If SOE continues to build it we can be the best pvp/e game in the market.</p><p>This PVP/e-BG update came LATE into the xpac cycle.  Had this come at the begining we would not be having this discussion and people would happil choose to quest/bg to upgrade gear for what ever they choose to do at end game.  This concept as implemented will NEED to be implemented with the NEW xpac too ensure multiple paths to gear progression.  It seems like a large grind now because it came so late - well after anticipated and projected originally.</p><p>Should it come at the begining of the xpac cycle as it should have and hopefully will it will not seem like such a ladder to climb.</p>

[Proud_Silence]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>apwyork wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ok, if you are really good, you get 60-80 marks for winning and getting a number of achievements and kills.  333 matches would get you 1 92 piece.  Some are more expensive, others less, but we'll just go with this number as an average.  So for 9? pieces of gear you need to do 3000 matches.  So yes, that is absurdly high.</p></blockquote><p><strong>Casually playing I'm getting in ~20 matches a day. </strong> I lean on agreeing that its a little off.  I would think if I was dedicated and did 50 matches a day, it should take me ~90 days to get all slots.  Atleast, that is where I would set the bar.</p><p>SoE seems to have set it considerably higher.</p></blockquote><p>20 matches a day is not particularly casual. 5min per match, plus loading times and the eventual bug where you end up on neither side and get truancy buff for leaving, nets to about 2hrs a day. Just non-stop queuing for BG's. and following your numbers, it would take over half a year of DAILY 2hrs BG matches for gearing just one toon.</p><p>Far from reasonable, and unless you have a pretty serious addiction, Joe schmoe will be bored to high heaven long before being fully geared. There's only so many times you can run the exact same 3 maps.</p><p>It's as if you'd be raiding the same 3 nameds in the same 3 tiny zones for 6months.</p>

[convict]

<p>Don't worry, once some people grind out the tokens, buy the gear, SoE WILL lower the requirement to get the gear, happens every single time.</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Proud_Silence wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>Casually playing I'm getting in ~20 matches a day. </strong> I lean on agreeing that its a little off.  I would think if I was dedicated and did 50 matches a day, it should take me ~90 days to get all slots.  Atleast, that is where I would set the bar.</p><p>SoE seems to have set it considerably higher.</p></blockquote><p>20 matches a day is not particularly casual. 5min per match, plus loading times and the eventual bug where you end up on neither side and get truancy buff for leaving, nets to about 2hrs a day. Just non-stop queuing for BG's. and following your numbers, it would take over half a year of DAILY 2hrs BG matches for gearing just one toon.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, thats basically what I'm playing 1.5-2hs sessions casually.  There are others that do 5-6 hours daily.  I would expect the bar to be set such that those folks doing 6 hours / day could be fully geared in around 90 days.</p><p>Setting the bar any lower makes too low of a treadmill in my opinion.  My expectation is that anyone that approaches it casually would only be getting the middle set of gear, and the top set is reserved for the hardcore BG/PVP types.</p><p>All in all, thats where it should be.  But I think what we currently have you're not going to get all slots armor/jewelery/weapons even in 90 days doing 6 hours / day.</p><p>If the top set of gear should never be feasable for players that casually play BGs.</p>

[StaticLex]

<p>What does it matter if a piece of gear costs 6200 or costs 4500 and is preceded by a piece that costs 1500 and a piece that costs 200?  Stop complaining about things that are completely irrelevant.</p><p>The price of the 92 gear is simply absurd.  I'd be surprised if even the most hardcore BGer gets more than 3 or 4 pieces of the stuff before giving up.</p>

[convict]

<p>I might be wrong, they may just sale "bonus token potions" in the MP.</p>